Question SKYTECH or IBP or Alexander for 12700 3070 system

[ZenMusic]

I'm looking for a system Intel 12700 and 3070 + SSD and cooling is very important , I need this system to last me 3+years (I'm open to better video but the 3070 seems good and cooler)

The only game I play is MS Flight Simulator 2020 , but do lots of stock market programming .. I'm a professional programmer.

I've seen good reviews of SKYTECH and considering them. (always had Dell's in the past, I won't consider them for the future)
For cooling CPU they have All in One liquid cooler 360mm , a mesh case with 4 fans
I have a choice of medium or large case .. will the large be cooler ?
750 Power supply enough?

Or I'm open to other companies .,... $2500 target price USA .. I need at least 1 open PCIE for Firewire card (music production)

any advice wil be greatly appreciated. SEEMS Prices are falling , If i wait until fall when the RTX 40xx series is released this may be cheaper?

 

[Darkbreeze]

Given your obvious intellect and understanding of systems, why in the world wouldn't you just buy exactly what you need and assemble this yourself? I mean, I literally know ten year olds that do this and am getting ready to help my buddies 10 year old assemble his very first PC, and I can't imagine why any reasonably intelligent adult couldn't do it without any difficulties? Unless they simply don't want to have to be bothered with the hassle of it. But I mean, it shaves a LOT off the cost of a new system.

 

[ZenMusic]

I have built dozens of systems (and designed some hardware) .. but I don't have time to deal with trouble shooting a system for a what would only be a small savings, but I am going parts shopping tomorrow to upgrade my daughter's pc .. so maybe

 

[Why_Me]

I have built dozens of systems (and designed some hardware) .. but I don't have time to deal with trouble shooting a system for a what would only be a small savings, but I am going parts shopping tomorrow to upgrade my daughter's pc .. so maybe

Here's a build to consider.

https://www.newegg.com/black-fractal-design-pop-mini-air-rgb-micro-atx-tower/p/N82E16811352164
Fractal Design Pop Mini Air RGB Black TG mATX High-Airflow Clear Tempered Glass Window Tower Computer Case $89.99

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Supernova-Modular-Warranty-220-G5-0850-X1/dp/B07WDLTGC1/
EVGA SuperNova 850 G5, 80+ Gold 850W Modular Power Supply $99.99

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Mortar-Gaming-Motherboard-Socket/dp/B09PX736J8
MSI MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR5 $159.99

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-i7-12700-Dodeca-core-Processor/dp/B09NPHHSZ1/

Intel Core i7-12700 $342.98

https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NH-D15-chromax-Black-Dual-Tower-Cooler/dp/B07Y87YHRH/
Noctua NH-D15 chromax.Black, Dual-Tower CPU Cooler $109.95

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Vengeance-2x16GB-PC5-41600-1-25V/dp/B09NCPTVX5/
CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 5200 32GB (2x16GB) CL40 $183.99

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-CS3030-Internal-Solid-State/dp/B07QM2HD7B/
PNY XLR8 CS3030 2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen3 x4 Internal SSD $168.95

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Gaming-RTX-3080-Trio/dp/B095VZ6F73/
MSI RTX 3080 Ti OC 12GB Graphics Card $959.99

Total: $2115.83

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08WRJ5MQW
ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 ARGB AIO $111.99

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-MORTAR-WIFI

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/pop/pop-mini-air/rgb-black-tg-clear/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aukcnCb-64U

 

[Darkbreeze]

Prices ARE falling, AND, perhaps more importantly, while I don't generally recommend to people that they wait especially if they have a need now, not only is Nvidia releasing new products that are substantially more capable (And will supposedly cost less than current models of equivalent tiering) but both AMD and Intel are supposed to be releasing new CPU models over the next month or two. These are likely to bring ~10% single core performance improvements as well and if you can get something that performs 10% better for less money, seems a no brainer to me.

 

[KyaraM]

Given your obvious intellect and understanding of systems, why in the world wouldn't you just buy exactly what you need and assemble this yourself? I mean, I literally know ten year olds that do this and am getting ready to help my buddies 10 year old assemble his very first PC, and I can't imagine why any reasonably intelligent adult couldn't do it without any difficulties? Unless they simply don't want to have to be bothered with the hassle of it. But I mean, it shaves a LOT off the cost of a new system.

Same reason why I paid the company I ordered the parts from a bit extra for assembly - no time. I built my own systems before, too, and no, it isn't hard. But it takes time, and not everyone has that time.

Also, equating intellect with the ability to build a computer is pretty dumb. I can guarantee you that there are very smart people out there who couldn't build a system that makes sense to save their lives. Because they never had enough interest to look it up. And from the questions in the original post, it seems like the TC also didn't have the time to research what components there are for what price and performance.

 

[Karadjgne]

I have been building, tinkering, modding, fixing pc's for over 40years now, both amateur and professionally and in all that time I've come to one undeniable fact about prebuilts, whether company (like Dell) or boutique custom.

They don't save any time.

If you watch any of the gamersnexus videos on the pre-built series they did (think there's like 22 of them or more now), every single time it's paid off in spades to basically disassemble then reassemble the prebuilts right. They have yet to come across a fully, complete, don't have to mess with it pc. Every one of them was missing something, whether climbing through the bios and fixing half the settings, or chasing wiring issues for connectors not fully engaged or completely missed.

Build it yourself, it's done right the first time. Rely on someone else's build skills, you'll be hunting around for days trying to figure out what they missed.

Plug and play has basically become reserved for Xbox/PS now. It's almost shameful.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I built my own systems before, too, and no, it isn't hard. But it takes time, and not everyone has that time. Also, equating intellect with the ability to build a computer is pretty dumb. I can guarantee you that there are very smart people out there who couldn't build a system that makes sense to save their lives.

1. It takes about two hours to assemble a system and another two to get it up and running with the operating system and basic configuration. So four hours total, and we'll say double that for somebody with no experience doing it like my buddies ten year old grandson whom just built his first one, with minimal assistance from me. And even if we say a whole day, that is likely at lot less time than it takes to order something worthwhile even if you include the time to ship the parts to you. Sure, a lot of people have stores like Walmart and Best buy where you could just go buy a unit and take it home the same day but you will absolutely be getting a POS that way. So, the time argument is not really relevant. And that's not even counting the fact that like Karadjgne mentioned, practically ANY pre-built still needs to be gone through if you don't want problems.

2. No, it isn't dumb to equate intellect with the ability to built a system. Sure, the lack of knowledge might require you to go to somebody who has that knowledge to assist with the selection of parts, I don't know, someplace like HERE for example, but the actual assembly itself can easily be done by anybody that isn't a total lackwit and doesn't have four thumbs. If my 12 year old nephew and my buddies 10 year old grandson, both of whom aren't ever going to be rocket scientists, can assemble a system with minimal assistance, then any reasonably intelligent person can do it. That being said, having the ability to do it and having the desire to do it are understandably two different things. The fact is, most people could paint their own house if they wanted to. Most people just DON'T want to because it's tedious and because most people are too lazy to want to deal with it. Granted, it might not come out as perfect as when a professional does it, but then again, it might come out better because I happen to work in the remodeling/handyman/property maintenance trades, among other things, and I've seen what a lot of so called "professionals" turn out sometimes and it isn't any better than what the average person could do. Sometimes worse. Sometimes much worse. Even from some of the reputable companies.

It literally takes nothing more than a couple of screwdrivers and in some cases maybe a pair of pliers, to assemble a system. I absolutely don't believe that 90% of people couldn't assemble a computer with a little assistance AND that assistance could be a person or any of the MANY video tutorials out there that show you EXACTLY how to assemble one, step by step.

Your arguments don't seem very valid to me. I'm also not against buying a pre-built system so long as you understand that unless you buy from somebody like Dell you run a very high risk of needing to go through it because there are almost always assembly issues, and that with somebody like Dell you are about 98% likely to be getting something proprietary that will be lacking in some way and will be mostly unable to be upgraded or repaired without similarly proprietary Dell parts down the road.

 

[Corwin65]

As a diabetic whose hands have started to fail, I can see the value in a pre-built. Luckily MicroCenter is half a mile away.

 

[Darkbreeze]

As a diabetic whose hands have started to fail, I can see the value in a pre-built. Luckily MicroCenter is half a mile away.

Certainly there absolutely reasons why an individual might not have the dexterity to assemble a system. But that person's reasons for not being able to do it won't have anything to do with not being reasonably intelligent.

 

[logainofhades]

Let's keep it civil here folks. This back and forth is not helping the OP any.