Slow computer, cant figure it out.

[morinookuni123]

Hello everyone,
I am having a bit of a hard time trying to figure out what is happening with my PC. I've built a custom PC for gaming, here are my specs:
-Gigabyte 970 SLI gaming mobo
-14GB RAM 1600MHz Corsair
-EVGA 650W PSU
-MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6gb GPU
-AMD FX-8350 4.2GHz (stock not OC) (Has Hyper EVO 212 cooler w/ dual fans with push pull config)
-2X 1TB Western Digital Blue 7200RPM HD (Secondary, not being used plan on doing RAID 0)
-3TB Western Digital Blue 7200RPM HD (Main HD)

System temps at idle are CPU: 20c - 25c GPU 30c-35c
System temps under load are: CPU 50c - 65c GPU 45c - 55c

I have no problems playing games or crusing the internet. However, it takes FOREVER for those things to load up. I wait a solid 10 minuets for chrome or IE to load up to the default home page when I click on the icons. Same goes for my games, rust and Ghost recon wildlands are the worst, I will wait sometimes 15 minuets for them to load up. Looked in resource monitor and the disk is constantly at 100%, even when at idle.

Things I have done:
I've googled and disabled services, uninstalled most of my old games to free up space, disk clean up, optimized & defragged the disks (even turned off the scheduling), ran malewarebytes multiple times, cleaned what dust there was in my case out, and nothing seems to work. As of right now, I store everything, OS and games, on my main 3TB HD, and has about 300GB of free space left. (this drive is also 3 - 4 years old and has 90,952 hours on it.)

Another weird thing that has been happening since the slow load times began is when I first boot my PC in the mornings it will reboot once and only once. It will go to the windows loading icon before the login screen and it will automatically restart the computer, like I said only restarts once and then everything works normal. I want to say that maybe their related but I am not sure, I am also thinking that I may have a bad stick of RAM somewhere in one of the four slots. But I have ran memory diagnostics, basic and extended tests. All passed with flying colors. I have been fooled by the memory diagnostics once before though.

I have been thinking of upgrading to a SSD to hold my OS and the games on the 2 1TB hard drives, shoud I just cut my losses and rebuild my OS on a new drive?

 

[Jesse_20]

Try swapping sata cables/ports for your system drive first. I'd also check the integrity of your hard drive. I'm pretty sure western digital provides a tool for this.
You could also try, as a test, to install the os to one of the other drives and boot from it. If the problem persists, it's definitely not the drive.

The restart is highly suspicious. If this is a new build (you didn't say), make sure you have all the motherboard drivers installed. Windows 10 likes to use generic versions that don't play nicely with our aftermarket equipment.

Last resort testing would involve removing everything but a stick of ram, a single boot drive, and cpu. Restart the computer, each time adding a device, until the issue shows up. That newly added device is then causing problems.

 

[morinookuni123]

Try swapping sata cables/ports for your system drive first. I'd also check the integrity of your hard drive. I'm pretty sure western digital provides a tool for this.
You could also try, as a test, to install the os to one of the other drives and boot from it. If the problem persists, it's definitely not the drive.

The restart is highly suspicious. If this is a new build (you didn't say), make sure you have all the motherboard drivers installed. Windows 10 likes to use generic versions that don't play nicely with our aftermarket equipment.

Last resort testing would involve removing everything but a stick of ram, a single boot drive, and cpu. Restart the computer, each time adding a device, until the issue shows up. That newly added device is then causing problems.

Thank you for the reply
I didn't think about swapping the sata cables around, I will give that a shot this weekend. I do have the Western Digital hard drive tools downloaded and I have been uses them, as well as Crystal disk info and everything is coming back good, except for one of the hard drives that is currently not in use. one of the sectors on it is no good. I just haven't had a chance to take it out of the case yet.

This is a new build, everything on it is brand spanking new, except for the hard drives. The hard drives are all a few years old and I have migrated them from the old pc I had to the new one. I did think of the motherboard drivers and did reinstall them and I was up to date.
I guess Saturday I will spend the day installing OS and getting it updated and seeing if the problem continues. I am thinking maybe the sata ports play a small role, right now my main hard drive is on port 3, 1 -2 first two non used hard drives. 3 is my main, 4 is cd drive, 5 is fan controller, 6 is empty.

I did just install the GTX 1060 about 2 weeks ago, and thinking about it that's is roughly the same time when the restart started happening. I am going to do a little testing with swapping GPUs and see what happens as well as starting with the bare minimum like you suggested if that don't work.

 

[DRagor]

You mention build is new except drives. Did you made a clean Windows install after moving to new rig, or just updated drivers?

 

[Jesse_20]

I'd also see if there is a bios update for the board. Might be having issues configuring your GPU if the problem occurred about the same time.

 

[morinookuni123]

You mention build is new except drives. Did you made a clean Windows install after moving to new rig, or just updated drivers?

In all honesty, I just used the existing Windows OS. I should have done a clean install but I was to lazy to take the time to reinstall everything so i just put the hard drives into the case and booted it up and updated the drivers as i went.

 

[morinookuni123]

I'd also see if there is a bios update for the board. Might be having issues configuring your GPU if the problem occurred about the same time.

I have done bios updates, I did the updates through the gigabyte software the board came with and I also got the updates from the gigabyte website directly. Both updates were the same versions but i did them anyways just incase. The current update i have on there is from the website not from the disk.

 

[morinookuni123]

Try swapping sata cables/ports for your system drive first. I'd also check the integrity of your hard drive. I'm pretty sure western digital provides a tool for this.
You could also try, as a test, to install the os to one of the other drives and boot from it. If the problem persists, it's definitely not the drive.

The restart is highly suspicious. If this is a new build (you didn't say), make sure you have all the motherboard drivers installed. Windows 10 likes to use generic versions that don't play nicely with our aftermarket equipment.

Last resort testing would involve removing everything but a stick of ram, a single boot drive, and cpu. Restart the computer, each time adding a device, until the issue shows up. That newly added device is then causing problems.

I swapped the cables around last night and checked the integrity of the hard drives. Swapping the cables helped a little bit, but only by a slight noticeable difference. The 3 programs i used to check the hard drives all came back as passed, the software i used was from western digital.

I also ran command prompt commands: SFC /SCANNOW and DISM /ONLINE /CLEANUP-IMAGE /RESTOREHEALTH

After I ran these, they came back as passing too, my computer did run a little smoother but again not by anything major.
I also got new RAM in the mail yesterday, another 8 GB stick of corsair vengeance. I installed it and I now have 20GBs of RAM and I did not notice the restart when i booted up. I purposely turned the pc on and off multiple times and never seen the restart.
When I put the new stick of RAM in I took out 2 sticks of ram that I have had for a few years. my guess is that one of them was bad. I will test them to see which one.

This is the build that i have: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/morinookuni/saved/Jp7WZL

 

[DRagor]

In all honesty, I just used the existing Windows OS. I should have done a clean install but I was to lazy to take the time to reinstall everything so i just put the hard drives into the case and booted it up and updated the drivers as i went.

And that may the source of your problems. If your current motherboard is different then previous one, using old OS install may cause all kinds of problems. Do the clean install.

 

[morinookuni123]

In all honesty, I just used the existing Windows OS. I should have done a clean install but I was to lazy to take the time to reinstall everything so i just put the hard drives into the case and booted it up and updated the drivers as i went.

And that may the source of your problems. If your current motherboard is different then previous one, using old OS install may cause all kinds of problems. Do the clean install.

well sufferin succotash .....I was trying to avoid doing the clean install, or at least procrastinate a little bit...it seems like that is the only option I really have left, I'll perform new install and report back what happens.

Thank you everyone for the help!!

 

[ArtPog]

Hello everyone,
I am having a bit of a hard time trying to figure out what is happening with my PC. I've built a custom PC for gaming, here are my specs:
-Gigabyte 970 SLI gaming mobo
-14GB RAM 1600MHz Corsair
-EVGA 650W PSU
-MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6gb GPU
-AMD FX-8350 4.2GHz (stock not OC) (Has Hyper EVO 212 cooler w/ dual fans with push pull config)
-2X 1TB Western Digital Blue 7200RPM HD (Secondary, not being used plan on doing RAID 0)
-3TB Western Digital Blue 7200RPM HD (Main HD)

System temps at idle are CPU: 20c - 25c GPU 30c-35c
System temps under load are: CPU 50c - 65c GPU 45c - 55c

I have no problems playing games or crusing the internet. However, it takes FOREVER for those things to load up. I wait a solid 10 minuets for chrome or IE to load up to the default home page when I click on the icons. Same goes for my games, rust and Ghost recon wildlands are the worst, I will wait sometimes 15 minuets for them to load up. Looked in resource monitor and the disk is constantly at 100%, even when at idle.

Things I have done:
I've googled and disabled services, uninstalled most of my old games to free up space, disk clean up, optimized & defragged the disks (even turned off the scheduling), ran malewarebytes multiple times, cleaned what dust there was in my case out, and nothing seems to work. As of right now, I store everything, OS and games, on my main 3TB HD, and has about 300GB of free space left. (this drive is also 3 - 4 years old and has 90,952 hours on it.)

Another weird thing that has been happening since the slow load times began is when I first boot my PC in the mornings it will reboot once and only once. It will go to the windows loading icon before the login screen and it will automatically restart the computer, like I said only restarts once and then everything works normal. I want to say that maybe their related but I am not sure, I am also thinking that I may have a bad stick of RAM somewhere in one of the four slots. But I have ran memory diagnostics, basic and extended tests. All passed with flying colors. I have been fooled by the memory diagnostics once before though.

I have been thinking of upgrading to a SSD to hold my OS and the games on the 2 1TB hard drives, shoud I just cut my losses and rebuild my OS on a new drive?

It is practically criminal that you don't incorporate a SSD in your system. You're NEVER going to be satisfied until you do; make no mistake about that. Swing for a SSD with the largest disk-space capacity you can afford - nothing less than 250 - 256 GB, a 500 - 512 GB SSD if you can afford such.

 

[morinookuni123]

Hello everyone,
I am having a bit of a hard time trying to figure out what is happening with my PC. I've built a custom PC for gaming, here are my specs:
-Gigabyte 970 SLI gaming mobo
-14GB RAM 1600MHz Corsair
-EVGA 650W PSU
-MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6gb GPU
-AMD FX-8350 4.2GHz (stock not OC) (Has Hyper EVO 212 cooler w/ dual fans with push pull config)
-2X 1TB Western Digital Blue 7200RPM HD (Secondary, not being used plan on doing RAID 0)
-3TB Western Digital Blue 7200RPM HD (Main HD)

System temps at idle are CPU: 20c - 25c GPU 30c-35c
System temps under load are: CPU 50c - 65c GPU 45c - 55c

I have no problems playing games or crusing the internet. However, it takes FOREVER for those things to load up. I wait a solid 10 minuets for chrome or IE to load up to the default home page when I click on the icons. Same goes for my games, rust and Ghost recon wildlands are the worst, I will wait sometimes 15 minuets for them to load up. Looked in resource monitor and the disk is constantly at 100%, even when at idle.

Things I have done:
I've googled and disabled services, uninstalled most of my old games to free up space, disk clean up, optimized & defragged the disks (even turned off the scheduling), ran malewarebytes multiple times, cleaned what dust there was in my case out, and nothing seems to work. As of right now, I store everything, OS and games, on my main 3TB HD, and has about 300GB of free space left. (this drive is also 3 - 4 years old and has 90,952 hours on it.)

Another weird thing that has been happening since the slow load times began is when I first boot my PC in the mornings it will reboot once and only once. It will go to the windows loading icon before the login screen and it will automatically restart the computer, like I said only restarts once and then everything works normal. I want to say that maybe their related but I am not sure, I am also thinking that I may have a bad stick of RAM somewhere in one of the four slots. But I have ran memory diagnostics, basic and extended tests. All passed with flying colors. I have been fooled by the memory diagnostics once before though.

I have been thinking of upgrading to a SSD to hold my OS and the games on the 2 1TB hard drives, shoud I just cut my losses and rebuild my OS on a new drive?

It is practically criminal that you don't incorporate a SSD in your system. You're NEVER going to be satisfied until you do; make no mistake about that. Swing for a SSD with the largest disk-space capacity you can afford - nothing less than 250 - 256 GB, a 500 - 512 GB SSD if you can afford such.

I have mixed feelings about SSDs, I hear many people say you wont see much of a increase except in boot times of windows and then I hear others that say you will see a huge performance increase in everything.

If I were to put a SSD into my system I would use it to hold the OS and the favorite games that I play at that time, and put the rest on the 3TB HHD. Does the SSD really make that much of a difference?

 

[ArtPog]

Absolutely. I can virtually guarantee that you'll have but one regret; that you didn't earlier install an SSD.

 

[morinookuni123]

Absolutely. I can virtually guarantee that you'll have but one regret; that you didn't earlier install an SSD.

Well it certainly cant hurt anything for me to install a SSD. Ill give it a go and migrate everything, I gotta do a fresh install anyways so why not.

 

[ArtPog]

Installing an SSD as your boot drive is a fine idea as we've discussed, BUT...

You stated that you would plan to "migrate everything". Be advised that since your present boot drive is a 3 TB HDD (your "Main HD" as you put it), you would not be able to clone ("migrate") the contents of that drive to your SSD. (We're obviously assuming your SSD would not be larger than 512 GB.)

I'm further assuming that the OS on your present 3 TB boot drive is intermingled/integrated with the rest of the data contents residing on that drive, i.e., the OS is NOT contained in a separate C: partition of a size suitable for cloning to the SSD.

That being the case, there will be the need to fresh-install the OS onto the SSD and then move whatever data (programs, etc.) from the present boot drive (and/or other drives) that will "fit" on the available remaining disk-space of the SSD.

(I just noticed you did say you would need to perform a fresh-install of the OS, so obviously you are aware of what I've indicated above.)

 

[Jesse_20]

I just noticed you never mention WHICH os you are using. I assumed 10 because it was a new build. If it's not 10, you definitely need to reinstall windows.
Windows 10, however, does a pretty good job when swapping it into a new computer. We use this trick all the time, with dedicated windows 10 drives that we swap into trouble computers to check for issues. Previous versions of windows will not allow for this.

 

[Jesse_20]

As for SSD performance, it's TOTALLY worth it.
Boot times drop to 10 seconds or less, game and app load times also drop to a fraction of before. The difference you WON'T see is when you have the level loaded and are actually playing. However, the wait time to get there is WAY less.

 

[morinookuni123]

Installing an SSD as your boot drive is a fine idea as we've discussed, BUT...

You stated that you would plan to "migrate everything". Be advised that since your present boot drive is a 3 TB HDD (your "Main HD" as you put it), you would not be able to clone ("migrate") the contents of that drive to your SSD. (We're obviously assuming your SSD would not be larger than 512 GB.)

I'm further assuming that the OS on your present 3 TB boot drive is intermingled/integrated with the rest of the data contents residing on that drive, i.e., the OS is NOT contained in a separate C: partition of a size suitable for cloning to the SSD.

That being the case, there will be the need to fresh-install the OS onto the SSD and then move whatever data (programs, etc.) from the present boot drive (and/or other drives) that will "fit" on the available remaining disk-space of the SSD.

(I just noticed you did say you would need to perform a fresh-install of the OS, so obviously you are aware of what I've indicated above.)

Sorry I used the wrong choice of wording when I said migrate. what I meant by migrate is I will take pictures/videos/ stuff that cant be reinstalled and reinstall a fresh version of windows. At this point I wouldn't clone my hard drive to a new one given the problems I have been having with the 100% disk usage, id rather just install a new OS and go through the motions of teeth pulling to reinstall the software and drivers.

 

[morinookuni123]

I just noticed you never mention WHICH os you are using. I assumed 10 because it was a new build. If it's not 10, you definitely need to reinstall windows.
Windows 10, however, does a pretty good job when swapping it into a new computer. We use this trick all the time, with dedicated windows 10 drives that we swap into trouble computers to check for issues. Previous versions of windows will not allow for this.

When you swap the hard drives like that for troubled PCs do you ever get the 100% disk usage in any of them or any other problems? What did Microsoft do in Windows 10 to make them more "swap friendly" that they didn't do in windows 7 or 8?

 

[Jesse_20]

Windows 10 has the capability of fixing hardware issues on boot up. When you swap the drive to a new system, it goes through a process of getting your devices ready. Previous versions would not recognize the change in devices, or at least do nothing about it if they did. This would force you to uninstall and reinstall new drivers to fix issues yourself, some of which would keep your computer from booting to start with. Now windows manages all that during the initial boot up in the new system.

It's true that this will not work for all computers, as some devices are troublesome. Most systems I work on are prebuilds and do not have aftermarket equipment. But it does more often than not.

Can't say that I've seen 100% disk use after a swap. However, if it's an aftermarket motherboard, I would at least update those drivers to see if the issue is corrected.

 

[morinookuni123]

Windows 10 has the capability of fixing hardware issues on boot up. When you swap the drive to a new system, it goes through a process of getting your devices ready. Previous versions would not recognize the change in devices, or at least do nothing about it if they did. This would force you to uninstall and reinstall new drivers to fix issues yourself, some of which would keep your computer from booting to start with. Now windows manages all that during the initial boot up in the new system.

It's true that this will not work for all computers, as some devices are troublesome. Most systems I work on are prebuilds and do not have aftermarket equipment. But it does more often than not.

Can't say that I've seen 100% disk use after a swap. However, if it's an aftermarket motherboard, I would at least update those drivers to see if the issue is corrected.

I did not know windows 10 had those abilities, I am still bit of a "Youngling" when it comes to OS, I am from the times of the late and great Windows Vista (Although I do remember 2000 and 98 as a kid)
Thank you for the information though, I didn't realize after market things would cause such a problem with swapped operating systems from other stations.

I think I found the issue with my 100% disk usage, I just so happen to stumble upon a process that was running while my PC was idling last night. It had the name of Windows Module Install worker or something but it was using ALOT of disk so I opened the file location and it was named "TIworker.exe", a quick google search told me "Itouch" which I have no idea what that is, I think of Ipads or Iphones but I don't own any apple products, never have...it was in C:\windows\sys\TIworker.EXE if that helps??

 

[ArtPog]

Remember, Google is your friend. Just undertake a Google search on "TIworker.exe". You'll learn a good deal about this program...

 

[Jesse_20]

Windows update. Win 10 is horrible at letting you know it's trying to install in the background. It was writing new files to disk and removing old ones, hence the 100% use.

 

[morinookuni123]

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