Slow PC from New Cooler?

[TrickChicken]

Hi! So, yesterday I finally decided to get the stock fan off my FX and got the 212 EVO. Ever since I put it in, my PC has generally been running... slower. My games are getting a worse FPS then usual, even when the temperatures are around 60-65 C. Even when I'm not gaming, sometimes, it just doesn't work like it used to. I can't explain it very well, but like, sometimes when I close tabs, it goes black for a split and the other tab is there. That's just one example. I'm pretty sure it's installed correctly. I put that backplate thing under the motherboard and screwed its holder into the motherboard. It was difficult and annoying, but I expected that. Also, when I was installing it, just like anyone else, the screw driver slipped a few times and tapped the motherboard. Sometimes I bumped it rather hard, but after a double check, I could say that there was no sign of physical harm. I truly don't know what is wrong. Please help!

CPU: AMD FX-8320 w/ Cooler Master 212 EVO ..... OC'd to 4.2
Motherboard: ASRock 980DE3/U3S3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

Hello, AMD FX processor usually throttle at the temperatures you say your CPU is running at (60-65). This means it's lowering it's clock/voltage to produce less heat, because it wants to prevent it from shutting down your whole computer/freeze it. This can't harm your PC, but depending on where you live. It can be tough to control the FX processors, ambient temperatures and case airflow should be looked into. If your 212 EVO fan is running, I wouldn't be concerned that it's your new cooler causing it. It could be something to do with your thermal paste though, or it's not tight enough (all 4 screws). But the problem you're describing sounds more like your hard drive is fragmented, or is running slow because of indexing, or way too many files on it. If you have games saved on your desktop, remove them and try to keep it as clean as possible. Regarding physical harming components, I dropped CPU's on the floor, and they got stuck under the CPU fan, and flew across my room, they still work. I wouldn't be too concerned that you damaged your components, because it would either work, or not work. Since you buimped it on the back, it's even less likely you damaged something.

 

[TrickChicken]

Hello, AMD FX processor usually throttle at the temperatures you say your CPU is running at (60-65). This means it's lowering it's clock/voltage to produce less heat, because it wants to prevent it from shutting down your whole computer/freeze it. This can't harm your PC, but depending on where you live. It can be tough to control the FX processors, ambient temperatures and case airflow should be looked into. If your 212 EVO fan is running, I wouldn't be concerned that it's your new cooler causing it. It could be something to do with your thermal paste though, or it's not tight enough (all 4 screws). But the problem you're describing sounds more like your hard drive is fragmented, or is running slow because of indexing, or way too many files on it. If you have games saved on your desktop, remove them and try to keep it as clean as possible. Regarding physical harming components, I dropped CPU's on the floor, and they got stuck under the CPU fan, and flew across my room, they still work. I wouldn't be too concerned that you damaged your components, because it would either work, or not work. Since you buimped it on the back, it's even less likely you damaged something.

I don't think my location could harm it. I'm in Florida, and it's just so moist all the time that I don't even bother to get an anti-static band. It's more of a challenge to gather static then it is to find something to shock. I highly doubt that the drive is failing, I just built this two months ago. But, for example, let's say that I'm playing some Battlefield. Before with the stock fan, it was loud and noisy, and I could pretty much run it on high without any problems, usually getting 60 fps unless there's lots of stuff going on in front of me. Now, the 212 barely makes a sound, and I just keep messing around with the settings trying to make it stop run at 40-50 fps, with the temperatures still around 60 C. I'm pretty sure I used the correct amount of paste. I put enough on it so that it would stick but not too much so that it'll rip out the processor too when I want to take it out. Is there anyway to change the settings to that when it like gets over 55 the 212 will start to spin faster? Should I switch it's clock back to 3.5?

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

Well, components usually fail within the first 6 months, if there's a factory error. But no, let's not assume that. The max temperature (before shutting down your PC) on FX processors is 67C, 62 C is when AMD says it's starting to throttle. It's also possible your temperature reading is not accurate. You can try using AMD Overdrive, and look at the thermal margin. If it's double digits, you're good. If you can remember your OC settings, I would try reverting back to default, and see if it's working then.

 

[TrickChicken]

Well, components usually fail within the first 6 months, if there's a factory error. But no, let's not assume that. The max temperature (before shutting down your PC) on FX processors is 67C, 62 C is when AMD says it's starting to throttle. It's also possible your temperature reading is not accurate. You can try using AMD Overdrive, and look at the thermal margin. If it's double digits, you're good. If you can remember your OC settings, I would try reverting back to default, and see if it's working then.

Well, I have been using SpeedFan, but I will try that. And my BIOS includes a feature called "Simple OC" or something like that, where there's increments of 5% that it will automatically clock it by. I can easily switch it back to default, but I will first try AMD Overdrive.

 

[ccampy]

Don't use speed fan for pretty much anything on a modern system it has been updated pripley for years and dosnt work well use AMD overdrive to moniter temps on a fx CPUcup

 

[TrickChicken]

OK, so for this last test, I tried GTA V with the BIOS OC to 4.2, and AMD Overdrive running. I was noticing a large decrease in my usual 50-60 fps and was running around 30. The old fps was using the stock cooler. Still, the fan wasn't increasing in RPM, and the thermal margin was 19-22 C. Idle, such as now, it's 40-50 C. This is really starting to tick me off. Is it possible to set it so the fan starts to run faster? Is there any way to get my fps back without my stock fan?

 

[madmatt30]

another one :-/ 3rd thread today - same symptons,same reasons,same advice

your board is pretty much incapable of running an 8 core fx chip with any kind of stability.
when you removed the stock amd cooler you also removed any & all secondary vrm cooling from what is essentially a low end 4+1 phase mosfet setup with no heatsinking - a tall tower coller like the evo misses this area completely.
overclocking to 4.2 ghz is essentially pushing 140w through a vrm set that is capable of 100w absolute max.
Id stop what youre doing,go back to bios,set the clock to default & disable turbocore - running at that current speed on a cheap asrock board (infact any asrock boards apart from the 990 extreme 7 & extreme 9) is chanceing it pretty badly - I honestly wouldnt trust one to not catch fire !


http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2759979/temps-normal.html

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2763485/fps-drops-installing-liquid-cooling.html

 

[ccampy]

Based on the above does your case have side mount for a fan if so mount on there to blow on the the motherboard to help cool it

 

[madmatt30]

the best thing you can try in all honesty is take the fan from your old amd stock cooler & try & mount it somehow just behind the cooler block directly over the black cylinder mosfets - you may get the stability back but Im talking about at stock speeds - I wouldnt overclock onthe board full stop - it is absolutely asking for trouble.

you can try & downvolt like the guy in the other thread above - your board is also probably pushing around 1.4v which is honestly too much