AMD micro-binning the hell out of Zen 2.
Part of that "hell" is for charging more despite removing the stock HSF which is in itself already an intrinsic value loss. If I'm going to get negative value for my money from ditching the stock HSF, I'll take the stock HSF even if I have no plan to actually use it.It also makes sense to remove the cooler, although Intel got hell for it, with a CPU thats designed for higher performance.
Part of that "hell" is for charging more despite removing the stock HSF which is in itself already an intrinsic value loss. If I'm going to get negative value for my money from ditching the stock HSF, I'll take the stock HSF even if I have no plan to actually use it.
You can flip the Prism on eBay for ~$35.But still the mass majority would throw the HSF away creating waste. Not worth it IMO.
Depends on how much the workload benefits from few-cores peak vs all-cores or CCX/CCD-wise overclock.I was under the impression that manual all-core overclocking was counter-productive with Ryzen 3000.
My Spire cooler is just sitting in a box under my desk right now. I agree with not packaging coolers, if you can sell chips $10 cheaper at least.I find it interesting yet expected. Both do this when they can. It also makes sense to remove the cooler, although Intel got hell for it, with a CPU thats designed for higher performance. Most people who build a system with top end CPUs tend to buy a third party cooler anyways and it just becomes more waste.
I agree that the X will go extinct. But the point of the benchmarks was to show the performance of XT against the X's they will replace. I don't thing the X's are still in production and they'll just be clearing the stock for a bit.Seeing that the x series was a huge meh compared to the simple ones , is 3600 3600x , I think the propped comparison would have been with the "bland" variety not the X . I wouldn't be surprised if the X goes extinct ... The very least as the vanilla chips to the benchmarks...
How will the X go extint? If the XT is a binned CPU means AMD has to keep creating the X to get the XT here and there.I agree that the X will go extinct. But the point of the benchmarks was to show the performance of XT against the X's they will replace. I don't thing the X's are still in production and they'll just be clearing the stock for a bit.
I haven't heard anyone disagree that the 3600 is the CPU to buy since the chip was released. (It's what I'm using.)
That is true, but with the covid, I dont know how many would want to goto the post office to ship it.You can flip the Prism on eBay for ~$35.
Given how little there usually is to gain, I'd be more likely to undervolt and underclock to see how much power efficiency I can gain from minimal performance sacrifice than go the other way around.One can still OC a particular CCX higher in the Ryzen master, but I am not sure if its worth all the trouble for a 100 MHz extra OC on one of the CCX.
I'm assuming that XT is binned like X's with 7nm optimizations, kind of like an X with a new stepping. Then the "Vanillas" are probably produced on the optimized node as well, but still binned as "Vanilla". My guess is we'll see new 3600's with a new stepping that OC marginally higher than original 3600's.How will the X go extint? If the XT is a binned CPU means AMD has to keep creating the X to get the XT here and there.
That makes sense. I don't think these chips are intended to replace Ryzen 3rd Gen though. They're just marginally better replacements at the same price point and generating a tremendous amount of media coverage. Great move by AMD ("no publicity is bad publicity").In my opinion its meaningless to buy the XT as the all core OC will be the same as the X with probably one of the CCX being slower...
Well, most of the coverage I'm seeing says "don't buy it" which isn't exactly great either. My guess is AMD is setting the stage for price hikes all around for Zen 3 by resetting the MSRP bars to full on Zen 2 before launching Zen 3.They're just marginally better replacements at the same price point and generating a tremendous amount of media coverage. Great move by AMD ("no publicity is bad publicity").