Some new NV30 specs

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I have just found this:

http://www.3dchipset.com/news.shtml#newsitem1026190468,5309,

Seems a new monster is coming! It looks impresive, and I don't know how ATI's new product will manage against it.

The problem is that I won't have enough cash in my pocket to buy one :-(

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It will manage nVIDIA's problem is that ATI's new part will be out long before the nv30, and ATI is often the cheapest solution. Giving you best value for money.
 
Sorry to burst your bubble or anything, but I've heard that the R300 will be very expensive, possibly as expensive as the top line nVidia cards, so MSRP of $399... Now of course they'll have the RV250 for the mainstream market and probably multiple R300LE/LELE for the "enthusiast" market, that should retail for less.

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Here:

I've received some information regarding the NV30, NV31 and some insight of the NV40 Nvidia is working on. First off though, the NV30 is AGP 8X and it's still a go with 900MHz DDR memory. Also what is now known is that the NV30 is multi chip capable. The number of chips is an odd number. That's all I can say without giving out the exact number. I'll say this though. It's under 8. With regards to FSAA performance the NV30 has a zero (0) performance cost using 4X FSAA. Specifications have been discussed and the NV30 is able to churn out 16 textures/pixel per pass. The NV30 also uses a 4-1 colour compression technique. Nvidia has explained to us/me that the performance we all will see with the NV30 is about double the performance of the Xbox/GF Ti4600. Another feature that is not known to the public is the use of IEE 1394 or known as Firewire will be on NV30 video cards. What this feature is for wasn't discussed thoroughly and all we know is that it has to do with the hardware mpeg2 acceleration built into the chip.

<b>Summary</b>

NV30

-AGP 8X and 900MHz DDR memory
-Multi chip capable and the number of chips is an odd number
-Zero (0) performance cost using 4X FSAA
-16 textures/pixel per pass
-4-1 colour compression technique
-Double the performance of the Xbox/GF4 Ti4600
-Use of IEEE 1394 aka Firewire will be on NV30 video cards
-NV31 comes out one month after the NV30 and will not suffer the fate of the MX by branding it GeForce 4. NV31 line will feature everything the NV30 has but just be lower clocked cards.

NV40

-600 million polys per second
-4 Gigapixel fillrate

:smile: Falling down stairs saves time :smile: <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Chuck232 on 07/09/02 12:58 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
I am impressed by the specs of the nv30 but why only 2x the speed of the ti4600 when it is released I suspect that it will be at least 2.5 or almost 3 just by looking at the specs. NO you did not burst my bubble the price of $399 is for the all-in-wonder version. nv30 with firewire is that really necessary I mean that will bum the price up. 900mhz ddr guys is that not like really expensive right now damn this card may cost over $600 but it might be worth it too those who can afford it.
 
$600? You're joking, right? If it's that much, I sure won't be buying it. $600 for a video card is outrageous, and I don't think it will be a success if they try to sell it for that.

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I doubt it'll be that much, simply the view of an Ati fan (no offense). It's pretty wacked out if it's over $500.

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Flamethrower $600 is my highest possible estimate given the firewire and 900 mhz ddr and is based on current day prices we are looking at least $399 though.
 
I can build an entire Athlon XP 1800+ system with a Radeon 8500, 512MB DDR RAM, etc for $600!! That is a total ripoff.


Here are the rumored specs of the R300. They are just rumors though and have not been confirmed in anyway:

ATi R300:
107 million transistors
0.15 µ process by TSMC
512 bit architecture (?)
8 rendering pipelines with 2 texture units each
16 textures per pass (required by DirectX9)
Quad Vertex Shader engine
complete DirectX 9.0 compatible
Vertex Shader 2.0
Pixel Shader 2.0
Displacement Mapping support
64 bit rendering precision
Floating point rendering
256 bit DDR-RAM memory interface (?)
Core clock: on 0.15 µ and 107 mill. transistors expected at 200 - 250 MHz
Memory clock: alleged at 350 MHz = on a 256 bit memory interface results in 20 GB/sec bandwith
HyperZ III
HydraVision
 
That is a total ripoff.
How so? your measuring to what we know now, and have now. If it performed 2 times better than Ti4600 with insane quality I would buy it. If Ti4600 had SLI support for 2x better performance it'd cost $600 minimum for that performance.
Now of coarse it won't be $600, but it is possible. Speed and quality costs money in most circumstances. Look at Perhelia, $400 and its only relatively fast and has good quality.

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I agree, it will probably be more expensive. Don't take the $600 price tag too much at face value, I think he was only trying to convey that the ATi cards give better value and don't cost a fortune. I mean, you gotta admire a card (8500) that can compete with cards that are 50% more expensive than it.

Call it hope, call it pure speculation, call it what you will, I have a strong feeling that ATi will continue its pattern of what it has always done and that is release video cards with good value as well as good speed. I also see ATi as having the advantage for the next couple months until the nv30 comes out. This is because it will probably have the fastest card available (meaning you can hold it in your hands, buy it from a store, and actually use it) for a while until the nv30 comes out.

Finally, I believe the age where next generation technology doubled speed of current technology is far behind us. You should be used to enthusiastic powerpoint presentations whose only visible purpose is to get investors (and end users) excited. I hope the nv30 will perform as well as people claim but I have a feeling we may only see a 25-30% increase in performance for the first batch of nv30 cards. I believe that the true selling point of the nv30 will be its directx9 support, video decoding, tv out, software, and other features. You have to notice that there is a general trend towards features, price, and quality. These are the things that will actually get people to buy the newer cards and that's why they are selling these features as benefits to users.

And in all of this mess, unfortunately our newbie to the realm of fast graphics, Matrox, kind of gets forgotten and pushed aside. The Parhelia seems completely built on the idea that quality is usually better than framerate. What is curious to me is the fact that I recently downloaded 3rd party nvidia drivers and they really helped image quality in a few games. What this speaks to me is that in the future I believe we will have an even greater diversification of video cards, and that it will be progressively harder and harder to say which is the "best" for someone. Whatever the personality or uniqueness of a buyer, for each graphics card there is a user-type whom I could see benefiting from one card more than another. So the graphics market is becoming more like a niche market that may in fact have more room for Matrox than people assume, because there are still the large systems distributors that Matrox has always scored with in the past, and the people who care totally about image quality over any kind of speed bonus.
 
Very well put cakecake. I hope your words get to more readers, it would be a great benefit to the community.

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I think i may have found a photo of what this website calls the Geforce 5 Ti-6000. I don't know if a Geforce 5 will be the NV30 though it could be another one of their cards. Of course if i could read some of the writing on the frickin site i would be able to know what the heck they are doing. If this is the card it is HUGE! It reminds me of the huge 3dfx voodoo 5 5500 or whatever. What the heck are they doing with a pentium 6? I guess its just overclocked with water cooling or something. Anyways I would like to know if it is a real picture of it or not. Its got to be fake, they got 54000 3dMarks and the video card has 512 MB of memory. Thats as much as my computer. Oh well, I don't care if its a fake i need to make a post anyways.

Here you go, lol: <A HREF="http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/newsdirectory/content.asp?idx=1068" target="_new">http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/newsdirectory/content.asp?idx=1068</A>
 
NO! It is a joke! I tracked down the stupid english site. The guy said that it was a joke like the 8500 MAXX. I hate being newbie at computers because it makes you somewhat gullible. Oh well a card that nice would cost more than my computer. Heres the link for the english version, you have to scroll down to the last of the July 10th postings: <A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/newsarchives.html?news=SnVseSwyMDAyLDMsMjA=" target="_new">http://www.hardocp.com/newsarchives.html?news=SnVseSwyMDAyLDMsMjA=</A>
 
I read somewhere recently that the Radeon Maxx was sent be a "reliable" source. Several webmasters have steadfastly defended themselves from all forms of attack by people saying that they just want to increase the number of hits to their site by releasing news like this.

Perhaps nvidia has a troublemaker in its ranks. After all, it's widely known that employees are some of the most untrustworthy people when it comes to releasing information to the public. Take a look now if you will at Blizzard Entertainment. In an instance in the past, some of their development software was released to the public. The only possible explanation is that either thieves broke into their workplace (not likely since they LIVE at their workplace) or that an employee snuck it out. It's also been documented in real cases where game developers have affixed an identifier code with a reviewer's name on it to a piece of software and send it off to a reviewer. Months later, they download this software from a warez site and it has that same exact signature.

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