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I have an external HP 4215 all-in-one printer. I use it for sending and
receiving faxes. I have other printers for photos and text. What I want to
do, is have the incoming fax sent to my pc to be saved and/or edited instead
of having it printed out by the machine. I don't care if it does print out a
hard copy but I definitely want it to xfer the incoming image or message to
my pc for viewing. The reason is, I have had incoming faxes destroyed by a
clunking mechanical paper feeder. The transmission was fine, but the output
is unacceptable. Why can't the incoming message/image be sent to the pc as a
PDF or TIFF or some other image format so I can read the message at my
leisure. I know there are third party programs that will do this, BUT ONLY
for TAPI modems(waaaay to old fashioned). They keep looking for a dial-up
modem on my pc and I haven't had those 56k things in my system for ages. I
also know that faxes are still analog. But why in the hell can't they be
converted to digital and sent to the pc. It doesn't seem to be that big of a
deal technologically speaking that is. The fax machine is connected to my pc
via USB. Now, I know you can setup Win apps to send material to your fax
machine to be broadcast or sent, but never the reverse. WHY?? This is really
frustrating. I've tried setting the fax printer's port to PDF(Adobe) and
virtual USB and Local port, and even "Print to File" port, hoping that when
the printer starts after transmission, it will also send a copy to the
computer. But this isn't working either. I can't believe no one else has
ever wondered this. Faxes can be sent to the pc, but only if you use
outdated hardware. Go figure. Any thoughts?

Ron
 
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In article <cno110$110$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
wrote:

> I have an external HP 4215 all-in-one printer. I use it for sending and
> receiving faxes. I have other printers for photos and text. What I want to
> do, is have the incoming fax sent to my pc to be saved and/or edited instead
> of having it printed out by the machine. I don't care if it does print out a
> hard copy but I definitely want it to xfer the incoming image or message to
> my pc for viewing.

Just put a faxmodem in your PC and run fax software, and have your
inbound fax line go to that.
 
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-1B1278.19050420112004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <cno110$110$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I have an external HP 4215 all-in-one printer. I use it for sending and
> > receiving faxes. I have other printers for photos and text. What I want
to
> > do, is have the incoming fax sent to my pc to be saved and/or edited
instead
> > of having it printed out by the machine. I don't care if it does print
out a
> > hard copy but I definitely want it to xfer the incoming image or message
to
> > my pc for viewing.
>
> Just put a faxmodem in your PC and run fax software, and have your
> inbound fax line go to that.
>

Can't. All slots taken. Besides, I wouldn't put 10 year old tech back into
my system. And, my mobo doesn't even have EISA slots.
 
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:32:04 -0500, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com> found these
unused words floating about:

>
>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>news:elmop-1B1278.19050420112004@text.usenetserver.com...
>> In article <cno110$110$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I have an external HP 4215 all-in-one printer. I use it for sending and
>> > receiving faxes. I have other printers for photos and text. What I want
>to
>> > do, is have the incoming fax sent to my pc to be saved and/or edited
>instead
>> > of having it printed out by the machine. I don't care if it does print
>out a
>> > hard copy but I definitely want it to xfer the incoming image or message
>to
>> > my pc for viewing.
>>
>> Just put a faxmodem in your PC and run fax software, and have your
>> inbound fax line go to that.
>>
>
>Can't. All slots taken. Besides, I wouldn't put 10 year old tech back into
>my system. And, my mobo doesn't even have EISA slots.
>
.... besides ... how would you 'edit' it?
A fax is an image of the document NOT and OCR'd copy.
 
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"J. A. Mc." <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote in message
news:4dqvp0dhhmdjukthh2l9a5l8cgtivbaa1v@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:32:04 -0500, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com> found these
> unused words floating about:
>
> >
> >"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> >news:elmop-1B1278.19050420112004@text.usenetserver.com...
> >> In article <cno110$110$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have an external HP 4215 all-in-one printer. I use it for sending
and
> >> > receiving faxes. I have other printers for photos and text. What I
want
> >to
> >> > do, is have the incoming fax sent to my pc to be saved and/or edited
> >instead
> >> > of having it printed out by the machine. I don't care if it does
print
> >out a
> >> > hard copy but I definitely want it to xfer the incoming image or
message
> >to
> >> > my pc for viewing.
> >>
> >> Just put a faxmodem in your PC and run fax software, and have your
> >> inbound fax line go to that.
> >>
> >
> >Can't. All slots taken. Besides, I wouldn't put 10 year old tech back
into
> >my system. And, my mobo doesn't even have EISA slots.
> >
> ... besides ... how would you 'edit' it?
> A fax is an image of the document NOT and OCR'd copy.
>

Well, it doesn't have to be OCR'd to edit, if you include graphic editing in
the definition of the term. I could circle emphasized areas or edit the
image via a paint program. But I also have an OCR prog as well. The thing
is, everything nowadays is digital. But for the life of me, I can't
understand why faxes are still analog. I mainly use the fax for sending and
receiving forms and applications. It's be nice if everyone had a PDF
document maker. Then they could scan in their form, convert it to PDF, and
then send via email. Faxes would then be obsolete. Everything could be
viewed and printed out on the receiver's pc. No need for telephone lines.
 
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In article <cnosd3$ei3$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
wrote:

> But for the life of me, I can't
> understand why faxes are still analog.

They aren't, not exclusively.

But you need the right kind of machine. A $89 consumer product isn't
the right kind of machine, under any circumstances.

What you're describing would be brutally simple to do; in fact, office
equipment manufacturers have been doing it for some time now. Fax
reception right to the desktop. But again, not on an $89 consumer
machine.

Faxmodems aren't old technology; Macintosh to this day can do faxing.

But anyway, how about using an online fax service instead? It'll do
exactly what you need.
 
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:32:04 -0500, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com> wrote:

>
>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>news:elmop-1B1278.19050420112004@text.usenetserver.com...
>> In article <cno110$110$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I have an external HP 4215 all-in-one printer. I use it for sending and
>> > receiving faxes. I have other printers for photos and text. What I want
>to
>> > do, is have the incoming fax sent to my pc to be saved and/or edited
>instead
>> > of having it printed out by the machine. I don't care if it does print
>out a
>> > hard copy but I definitely want it to xfer the incoming image or message
>to
>> > my pc for viewing.
>>
>> Just put a faxmodem in your PC and run fax software, and have your
>> inbound fax line go to that.
>>
>
>Can't. All slots taken. Besides, I wouldn't put 10 year old tech back into
>my system. And, my mobo doesn't even have EISA slots.
>
Buy an external voice/fax modem. They're cheap and do the job, and you
can attach them to a USB port.

--

Hecate - The Real One
Hecate@newsguy.com
veni, vidi, reliqui
 
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> Buy an external voice/fax modem. They're cheap and do the job, and you
> can attach them to a USB port.
>
> --
>
> Hecate - The Real One
> Hecate@newsguy.com
> veni, vidi, reliqui

Then why did I buy this HP Fax machine? No, I need a solution to make THIS
fax work. But from what I'm getting in response, it seems it can't be done.
Oh well, thanks to all for the ideas.

Ron
 
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yes, but what backup do you have if your cable modem goes out or your HP is
down? I use my fax modem as a backup for just that reason. It also allowed me
to buy the 3 in 1 Epson printer, whose other features far outweigh the lack of
a fax function (e.g.,a high resolution 35 mm slide scanner, built in).

Sherwin D.

Ron wrote:

> > Buy an external voice/fax modem. They're cheap and do the job, and you
> > can attach them to a USB port.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Hecate - The Real One
> > Hecate@newsguy.com
> > veni, vidi, reliqui
>
> Then why did I buy this HP Fax machine? No, I need a solution to make THIS
> fax work. But from what I'm getting in response, it seems it can't be done.
> Oh well, thanks to all for the ideas.
>
> Ron
 
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In article <cnp069$l7j$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
wrote:

> Then why did I buy this HP Fax machine? No, I need a solution to make THIS
> fax work.

That's like saying "gee, I'd really love to start doing landscape work;
I need my Honda Civic to tow a large trailer. Why can't it do this?
Why did I buy this car if it can't do what I want?"

You knew what the HP did when you bought it. Why are you crying about
it now?

I understand if you say, "There should be a machine out there to do
this." When you turn it into "why did I buy this machine if it can't do
something like this," that's between you and yourself.

It's a great question, actually, that the rest of us would love to know
the answer to: why DID you buy it if it didn't meet your needs?

More importantly, why are you coming here to bitch if you bought the
wrong machine for your needs? You aren't blaming the MACHINE, are you?
 
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 06:54:09 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> found these unused words floating about:

>In article <cnp069$l7j$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Then why did I buy this HP Fax machine? No, I need a solution to make THIS
>> fax work.
>
>That's like saying "gee, I'd really love to start doing landscape work;
>I need my Honda Civic to tow a large trailer. Why can't it do this?
>Why did I buy this car if it can't do what I want?"
>
>You knew what the HP did when you bought it. Why are you crying about
>it now?
>
>I understand if you say, "There should be a machine out there to do
>this." When you turn it into "why did I buy this machine if it can't do
>something like this," that's between you and yourself.
>
>It's a great question, actually, that the rest of us would love to know
>the answer to: why DID you buy it if it didn't meet your needs?
>
>More importantly, why are you coming here to bitch if you bought the
>wrong machine for your needs? You aren't blaming the MACHINE, are you?

Besides ... FAXing is 30 year old technology ... why is he/she/it even using
it? <G>
>"Besides, I wouldn't put 10 year old tech back into my system."
 
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"Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<cnosd3$ei3$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>...
> > >Can't. All slots taken. Besides, I wouldn't put 10 year old tech back
> into
> > >my system. And, my mobo doesn't even have EISA slots.

Faxes are at least 30-year-old technology. You want to be compatible
with them, ...


> > ... besides ... how would you 'edit' it?
> > A fax is an image of the document NOT and OCR'd copy.
> >
>
> Well, it doesn't have to be OCR'd to edit, if you include graphic editing in
> the definition of the term. I could circle emphasized areas or edit the
> image via a paint program. But I also have an OCR prog as well. The thing
> is, everything nowadays is digital. But for the life of me, I can't
> understand why faxes are still analog.

Are they really analog? Regardless, it's a standard. Like telephones,
you can't obsolete old equipment by changing the format.


Get an external 56k modem; people are throwing them away now.
Alternatively, you can use a fax-to-email service. I use
<http://www.efax.com/> which is free, if you accept some spam, or you
can pay for more messages and no spam. I only need to use it about
once a month so the free service is fine for me. They email an image
file of any faxes sent to the number they give you.
 
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-FE7A14.06540821112004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <cnp069$l7j$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Then why did I buy this HP Fax machine? No, I need a solution to make
THIS
> > fax work.
>
> That's like saying "gee, I'd really love to start doing landscape work;
> I need my Honda Civic to tow a large trailer. Why can't it do this?
> Why did I buy this car if it can't do what I want?"

Yeah, just like that.

>
> You knew what the HP did when you bought it. Why are you crying about
> it now?

Nope. Didn't know that. That's the reason for the original post. Not crying
about it either. But now you're getting tweaked because you have nothing
meaningful to add so you throw it back on me. It's typical of would-be
resident officianados who, if they can't be the savior du jour, cry "you're
an idiot".

>
> I understand if you say, "There should be a machine out there to do
> this." When you turn it into "why did I buy this machine if it can't do
> something like this," that's between you and yourself.

Yes there should be one. Haven't found it yet. Thought this one would.
That's why I bought it. All the separate fax machines I saw(Brothers mostly)
do not connect to your pc. The question was to emphasize the absurdity of
the suggestion that I simply use a faxmodem rather than this new printer
that I ALREADY have and my unwillingness to plug ten year old tech back into
my computer. Apparently the poster, who suggested that I simply ignore my
new purchase and put in an old EISA fax modem, thought that was a rational
suggestion( like that's what anyone would do). I thought that perhaps
someone would have a workaround or a way of monitoring printer output and
logging that output so it could be replicated on your pc via a viewer or
something like that.

>
> It's a great question, actually, that the rest of us would love to know
> the answer to: why DID you buy it if it didn't meet your needs?

The "rest of us"? Are you the mouthpiece for this group now?

>
> More importantly, why are you coming here to bitch if you bought the
> wrong machine for your needs? You aren't blaming the MACHINE, are you?
>

*yawn* see above

Really, it's ok if you can't help. No need to get irate.
 
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"J. A. Mc." <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote in message
news:e9i1q0lo54itrj7vhg2uc2tklrcvlnrhvn@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 06:54:09 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> found these unused words floating about:
>
> >In article <cnp069$l7j$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Then why did I buy this HP Fax machine? No, I need a solution to make
THIS
> >> fax work.
> >
> >That's like saying "gee, I'd really love to start doing landscape work;
> >I need my Honda Civic to tow a large trailer. Why can't it do this?
> >Why did I buy this car if it can't do what I want?"
> >
> >You knew what the HP did when you bought it. Why are you crying about
> >it now?
> >
> >I understand if you say, "There should be a machine out there to do
> >this." When you turn it into "why did I buy this machine if it can't do
> >something like this," that's between you and yourself.
> >
> >It's a great question, actually, that the rest of us would love to know
> >the answer to: why DID you buy it if it didn't meet your needs?
> >
> >More importantly, why are you coming here to bitch if you bought the
> >wrong machine for your needs? You aren't blaming the MACHINE, are you?
>
> Besides ... FAXing is 30 year old technology ... why is he/she/it even
using
> it? <G>

Exactly. That's why I said I wish everyone had a PDF maker and a scanner.
No more TAPI.

> >"Besides, I wouldn't put 10 year old tech back into my system."
 
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:56:59 -0500, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com> wrote:

>> Buy an external voice/fax modem. They're cheap and do the job, and you
>> can attach them to a USB port.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Hecate - The Real One
>> Hecate@newsguy.com
>> veni, vidi, reliqui
>
>Then why did I buy this HP Fax machine?

Actually, that's the real question ;-)

--

Hecate - The Real One
Hecate@newsguy.com
veni, vidi, reliqui
 
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10 year old technology. What's wrong with that? You are a PC salesman's dream
who runs out and upgrades their machine, just to have the 'latest' technology.
You
already have a 3 in 1 machine. You are probably anxiously awaiting the 4 in 1
so you
can see how many functions you can cram into one device. I use my cable modem
to
get high speed Internet, but I don't need that high speed for faxes. It's
called adapting
to the available technology. Some of us gave you, what I thought was a
reasonable
work around, but you appear to be a technology snob who wouldn't want to violate

their machine by plugging in that ten year old stuff. I commend you trying to
protect
your PC. By the way, if you have a mouse, you better get rid of that old
technology
and update to voice actuated input, just to be consistent.

Sherwin D.

Ron wrote:

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-FE7A14.06540821112004@text.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <cnp069$l7j$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Then why did I buy this HP Fax machine? No, I need a solution to make
> THIS
> > > fax work.
> >
> > That's like saying "gee, I'd really love to start doing landscape work;
> > I need my Honda Civic to tow a large trailer. Why can't it do this?
> > Why did I buy this car if it can't do what I want?"
>
> Yeah, just like that.
>
> >
> > You knew what the HP did when you bought it. Why are you crying about
> > it now?
>
> Nope. Didn't know that. That's the reason for the original post. Not crying
> about it either. But now you're getting tweaked because you have nothing
> meaningful to add so you throw it back on me. It's typical of would-be
> resident officianados who, if they can't be the savior du jour, cry "you're
> an idiot".
>
> >
> > I understand if you say, "There should be a machine out there to do
> > this." When you turn it into "why did I buy this machine if it can't do
> > something like this," that's between you and yourself.
>
> Yes there should be one. Haven't found it yet. Thought this one would.
> That's why I bought it. All the separate fax machines I saw(Brothers mostly)
> do not connect to your pc. The question was to emphasize the absurdity of
> the suggestion that I simply use a faxmodem rather than this new printer
> that I ALREADY have and my unwillingness to plug ten year old tech back into
> my computer. Apparently the poster, who suggested that I simply ignore my
> new purchase and put in an old EISA fax modem, thought that was a rational
> suggestion( like that's what anyone would do). I thought that perhaps
> someone would have a workaround or a way of monitoring printer output and
> logging that output so it could be replicated on your pc via a viewer or
> something like that.
>
> >
> > It's a great question, actually, that the rest of us would love to know
> > the answer to: why DID you buy it if it didn't meet your needs?
>
> The "rest of us"? Are you the mouthpiece for this group now?
>
> >
> > More importantly, why are you coming here to bitch if you bought the
> > wrong machine for your needs? You aren't blaming the MACHINE, are you?
> >
>
> *yawn* see above
>
> Really, it's ok if you can't help. No need to get irate.
 
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On 21 Nov 2004 09:39:34 -0800, 7ibehx001@sneakemail.com (Alan) wrote:

>"Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<cnosd3$ei3$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>...
>> > >Can't. All slots taken. Besides, I wouldn't put 10 year old tech back
>> into
>> > >my system. And, my mobo doesn't even have EISA slots.
>
>Faxes are at least 30-year-old technology. You want to be compatible
>with them, ...

A little trivia here; faxes were around during the mid fifties.

>
>
>> > ... besides ... how would you 'edit' it?
>> > A fax is an image of the document NOT and OCR'd copy.
>> >
>>
>> Well, it doesn't have to be OCR'd to edit, if you include graphic editing in
>> the definition of the term. I could circle emphasized areas or edit the
>> image via a paint program. But I also have an OCR prog as well. The thing
>> is, everything nowadays is digital. But for the life of me, I can't
>> understand why faxes are still analog.
>
>Are they really analog? Regardless, it's a standard. Like telephones,
>you can't obsolete old equipment by changing the format.
>
>
>Get an external 56k modem; people are throwing them away now.
>Alternatively, you can use a fax-to-email service. I use
><http://www.efax.com/> which is free, if you accept some spam, or you
>can pay for more messages and no spam. I only need to use it about
>once a month so the free service is fine for me. They email an image
>file of any faxes sent to the number they give you.
 
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E. Barry Bruyea wrote:
> On 21 Nov 2004 09:39:34 -0800, 7ibehx001@sneakemail.com (Alan) wrote:
>
>

> A little trivia here; faxes were around during the mid fifties.
>
>
You gotto go back a lot further than that. I believe the first pat.
on the concept predates the telephone. Actual application isn't
anywhere near that old.

I was using them in the 60's and they were not new then. Early fax
machines used rotating drums with "carbon paper". At connection both
machines had to work at sync their drums and then signals told
receiving machine when to strike the paper and leave a mark. Don't
think you could even call them analog and signal was bi-tonal.

Mickey
 
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Ron wrote:
> "J. A. Mc." <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote in message
> news:e9i1q0lo54itrj7vhg2uc2tklrcvlnrhvn@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 06:54:09 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>><elmop@nastydesigns.com> found these unused words floating about:
>>
>>
>>>In article <cnp069$l7j$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Then why did I buy this HP Fax machine? No, I need a solution to make
>
> THIS
>
>>>>fax work.
>>>
>>>That's like saying "gee, I'd really love to start doing landscape work;
>>>I need my Honda Civic to tow a large trailer. Why can't it do this?
>>>Why did I buy this car if it can't do what I want?"
>>>
>>>You knew what the HP did when you bought it. Why are you crying about
>>>it now?
>>>
>>>I understand if you say, "There should be a machine out there to do
>>>this." When you turn it into "why did I buy this machine if it can't do
>>>something like this," that's between you and yourself.
>>>
>>>It's a great question, actually, that the rest of us would love to know
>>>the answer to: why DID you buy it if it didn't meet your needs?
>>>
>>>More importantly, why are you coming here to bitch if you bought the
>>>wrong machine for your needs? You aren't blaming the MACHINE, are you?
>>
>>Besides ... FAXing is 30 year old technology ... why is he/she/it even
>
> using
>
>>it? <G>
>
>
> Exactly. That's why I said I wish everyone had a PDF maker and a scanner.
> No more TAPI.
>
>
>>>"Besides, I wouldn't put 10 year old tech back into my system."
>
>
>
Ron, you're making a BAD assumption that there is a computer sitting
near every fax machine. You are also making an assumption that the
person on the receiving end has same setup as you and is able to
receive your non-std fax transmission. Some restaurants with busy
lunchtime business use fax machine to receive orders so food is ready
when customer gets there. Don't think you'll find a computer sitting
on the counter in the kitchen.
 
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:44:35 -0800, Mickey <mickey@webster.com> found these
unused words floating about:

>E. Barry Bruyea wrote:
>> On 21 Nov 2004 09:39:34 -0800, 7ibehx001@sneakemail.com (Alan) wrote:
>>
>>
>
>> A little trivia here; faxes were around during the mid fifties.
>>
>>
>You gotto go back a lot further than that. I believe the first pat.
>on the concept predates the telephone. Actual application isn't
>anywhere near that old.
>
>I was using them in the 60's and they were not new then. Early fax
>machines used rotating drums with "carbon paper". At connection both
>machines had to work at sync their drums and then signals told
>receiving machine when to strike the paper and leave a mark. Don't
>think you could even call them analog and signal was bi-tonal.
>
>Mickey

"Bi-tonal" -IS- analog !
 
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:54:17 -0800, Mickey <mickey@webster.com> found these
unused words floating about:

>Ron wrote:
>> "J. A. Mc." <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote in message
>> news:e9i1q0lo54itrj7vhg2uc2tklrcvlnrhvn@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 06:54:09 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>>><elmop@nastydesigns.com> found these unused words floating about:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <cnp069$l7j$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Then why did I buy this HP Fax machine? No, I need a solution to make
>>
>> THIS
>>
>>>>>fax work.
>>>>
>>>>That's like saying "gee, I'd really love to start doing landscape work;
>>>>I need my Honda Civic to tow a large trailer. Why can't it do this?
>>>>Why did I buy this car if it can't do what I want?"
>>>>
>>>>You knew what the HP did when you bought it. Why are you crying about
>>>>it now?
>>>>
>>>>I understand if you say, "There should be a machine out there to do
>>>>this." When you turn it into "why did I buy this machine if it can't do
>>>>something like this," that's between you and yourself.
>>>>
>>>>It's a great question, actually, that the rest of us would love to know
>>>>the answer to: why DID you buy it if it didn't meet your needs?
>>>>
>>>>More importantly, why are you coming here to bitch if you bought the
>>>>wrong machine for your needs? You aren't blaming the MACHINE, are you?
>>>
>>>Besides ... FAXing is 30 year old technology ... why is he/she/it even
>>
>> using
>>
>>>it? <G>
>>
>>
>> Exactly. That's why I said I wish everyone had a PDF maker and a scanner.
>> No more TAPI.
>>
>>
>>>>"Besides, I wouldn't put 10 year old tech back into my system."
>>
>>
>>
>Ron, you're making a BAD assumption that there is a computer sitting
>near every fax machine. You are also making an assumption that the
>person on the receiving end has same setup as you and is able to
>receive your non-std fax transmission. Some restaurants with busy
>lunchtime business use fax machine to receive orders so food is ready
>when customer gets there. Don't think you'll find a computer sitting
>on the counter in the kitchen.

P. Poor restaurant then ... most good, busy restaurants use a computer
system to transmit the waiter's order to the chef. Then it's also passed on
and coded to create the bill.
 
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In message <cnonmj$6dj$1@domitilla.zzzzzz.org>, Ron <rkrebs1@rcn.com>
writes
>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>news:elmop-1B1278.19050420112004@text.usenetserver.com...
>> Just put a faxmodem in your PC and run fax software, and have your
>> inbound fax line go to that.
>Can't. All slots taken. Besides, I wouldn't put 10 year old tech back into
>my system. And, my mobo doesn't even have EISA slots.

Get an external one then and plug it into a usb somewhere.

--
Timothy Lee http://www.wightproperty.com
tlatwightpropertydotcom
 
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"sherwindu" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:41A192C1.84405BF8@comcast.net...
> 10 year old technology. What's wrong with that? You are a PC salesman's
dream
> who runs out and upgrades their machine, just to have the 'latest'
technology.
> You
> already have a 3 in 1 machine. You are probably anxiously awaiting the 4
in 1
> so you
> can see how many functions you can cram into one device.

No, I don't upgrade everytime something new comes out. But certainly when
new devices that I DO want do not work with current setups.
Case in point: My mom needs a new printer. She has an "old" system. How
many printers out there NOW have LPT ports in them? Huh? Lots you say? Oh,
ok so I just get her a USB card, right? Now, what? Oh that's right, she's
still only using Win95(the early one NOT the one with USB support). SO, now
I should also get her Win98 or later, right? SHeesh. You just don't get it
do you?

>I use my cable modem to
> get high speed Internet, but I don't need that high speed for faxes. It's

Why? Isn't 56k good enough for you? Snob. : ) Listen if it weren't for the
"got to have it" people, the very same people you spurn, you wouldn't have
your cable modem and a helluva a lot of other stuff you have. Demand sparks
innovation and tech progress. Even you should see that.

> called adapting
> to the available technology.

That's just it, Homer. The technology for what I want IS available. News
Flash: I'm sure someone will chime in here with the specifics, but
analog-to-digital conversion has been around for awhile. Heck, my camcorder
allows me to convert VHS(analog) tapes to AVIs(digital) via a passthrough
DV-IN cable and store them on my computer for editing and burning to DVD.
Now, damn it, if we can do THAT, then surely we can take an incoming fax
transmission and convert the analog signal to digital and send it to the
computer for viewing rather than having to read a "hardcopy". So, why don't
we have a fax that'll do this? Because not enough people are demanding it.
Not enough are asking for it. I'm trying to do my part. And you're trying
to, hmmm, well, who knows what you're trying to do.

>Some of us gave you, what I thought was a
> reasonable
> work around, but you appear to be a technology snob who wouldn't want to
violate


How could you possibly have a clue as to who or what I'm like from merely
reading my posts? Did I forget to include emoticons? Sorry. : )

>
> their machine by plugging in that ten year old stuff. I commend you
trying to
> protect
> your PC. By the way, if you have a mouse, you better get rid of that old
> technology
> and update to voice actuated input, just to be consistent.

Well, I did. I got rid of that "old" cord tech, by going optical
cordless(bet you don't have one of those, it's too snobbish to own one of
them). Not because I had to be a pioneer, but because it was practical and
affordable. BUT WAIT!! There's those new-fangled Touch Screens. Sorry to
disappoint you, but as cool as they may be, they're too damn expensive and
I'd have to be hunched over the screen the whole time to use it. Oh and
darn it, I'm still using a CRT instead of one of those trend setting LCD
screens. Why? Because I like my CRT and it's working fine.


>
> Sherwin D.
 
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:50:16 -0500, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com> found these
unused words floating about:

>
>"sherwindu" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:41A192C1.84405BF8@comcast.net...
>> 10 year old technology. What's wrong with that? You are a PC salesman's
>dream
>> who runs out and upgrades their machine, just to have the 'latest'
>technology.
>> You
>> already have a 3 in 1 machine. You are probably anxiously awaiting the 4
>in 1
>> so you
>> can see how many functions you can cram into one device.
>
>No, I don't upgrade everytime something new comes out. But certainly when
>new devices that I DO want do not work with current setups.
>Case in point: My mom needs a new printer. She has an "old" system. How
>many printers out there NOW have LPT ports in them? Huh? Lots you say? Oh,
>ok so I just get her a USB card, right? Now, what? Oh that's right, she's
>still only using Win95(the early one NOT the one with USB support). SO, now
>I should also get her Win98 or later, right? SHeesh. You just don't get it
>do you?
>
Yeah ... we get it ... BUTT
There's a huge difference between updating because NEW things don;t workl
with OLD system and refusing to use "old" technology just to be a yuppie!
 
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"J. A. Mc." <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote in message
news:fm25q0pv07088nooahr1f5vrtfua60k71c@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:50:16 -0500, "Ron" <rkrebs1@rcn.com> found these
> unused words floating about:
>
> >
> >"sherwindu" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:41A192C1.84405BF8@comcast.net...
> >> 10 year old technology. What's wrong with that? You are a PC
salesman's
> >dream
> >> who runs out and upgrades their machine, just to have the 'latest'
> >technology.
> >> You
> >> already have a 3 in 1 machine. You are probably anxiously awaiting the
4
> >in 1
> >> so you
> >> can see how many functions you can cram into one device.
> >
> >No, I don't upgrade everytime something new comes out. But certainly when
> >new devices that I DO want do not work with current setups.
> >Case in point: My mom needs a new printer. She has an "old" system.
How
> >many printers out there NOW have LPT ports in them? Huh? Lots you say?
Oh,
> >ok so I just get her a USB card, right? Now, what? Oh that's right, she's
> >still only using Win95(the early one NOT the one with USB support). SO,
now
> >I should also get her Win98 or later, right? SHeesh. You just don't get
it
> >do you?
> >
> Yeah ... we get it ... BUTT
> There's a huge difference between updating because NEW things don;t workl
> with OLD system and refusing to use "old" technology just to be a yuppie!
>

Well if there is, you don't know it.
 
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