Special Chinese Edition Of Windows 10 Created For 'Security' Purposes

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hellwig

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I don't get joint ventures. Is there really enough money for these western companies in China for them to do business? Especially if the up-front cost of that business is basically kick-starting your own competition? You may get paid for one iteration of your product, but all the follow up iterations are probably going to be produced by the JV companies you funded.

I mean, Microsoft is pretty much giving away Windows 10 anyway, and China is notorious for pirating Windows. Does Microsoft think enough Chinese citizens will buy Office 365 subscriptions to make up this difference?
 
When are Western companies going to realize what's going on? I'm Asian. Asia has very little respect for intellectual property law. They predominantly believe that if you want to protect IP, you need to secure it yourself. And there's an unwritten rule that everyone is going to try to steal your IP, so you damn well better secure it instead of relying on some IP law. It's accepted enough that you can be fired if your employer orders you to spy on a competitor and you refuse.

China's MO is to require you to share technology and/or build your factories in China in order to "get access" to the market. The promise is that after you do this, you will be able to sell your products in China. The reality is that they will steal your IP and manufacturing technologies, build their own competing factory which underbids you, and effectively shut you out of their market again, only now they have all your technology without having to have invested decades of R&D to develop it on their own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China#Technology_transfer

The Chinese are probably astounded that Western companies are falling for this, and keep falling for it. Why waste time hunting for deer when the sheep willingly line up to be slaughtered?
 

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I don't get joint ventures. Is there really enough money for these western companies in China for them to do business? Especially if the up-front cost of that business is basically kick-starting your own competition? You may get paid for one iteration of your product, but all the follow up iterations are probably going to be produced by the JV companies you funded.

I mean, Microsoft is pretty much giving away Windows 10 anyway, and China is notorious for pirating Windows. Does Microsoft think enough Chinese citizens will buy Office 365 subscriptions to make up this difference?

There is a potential markets in the billions, the potential market outside china is a fraction of that
 

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Western companies often don't CARE about profits more than a year or two out. They largely behave as simple hill-climbing algorithms which optimize for the extremely short term, and consider things like ip theft, national policy, local competitors, precedent, and common sense to simply be "externalities" which can be safely ignored and left out of their calculations.
 

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Anything to get your target number of W10 installs, huh Microsoft? If it means allowing the Chinese government to install back-doors, spy on their citizens so be it... never mind if you're helping the Chinese gov supress dissention and persecute political opposition, who the hell cares... china is full of users and business to install your new OS that allows YOU to spy on and hold the user's PC hostage on future updates and policy changes.
 

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Most western companies don't actually CARE that much about their profits more than a year or two out. They behave as if they're controlled by a hill-climbing algorithm and optimize only for the extremely short term, and things like local competitors or ip theft are just treated as externalities and not taken into account
 
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