Spirit runeword - again

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While I agree that this runeword looks absolutely fantastic on paper, try
looking at shields with 4 sockets and their str req.

3 shields (non Pally) can get 4 sockets: Monarch - Aegis - Ward. Of those
the Monarch has the lowest str req of 156, Ward 185 and Aegis 219. For a
caster thats alot of str points to use.

All Pally shields can get 4 sockets - I guess its meant for Pallys this
runeword ;o)

My crybarb has str of 75 IIRC and absolutely cannot use this. My old 1.09
meteorb damage reduced sorc with Stormshield can use it but I would rather
use the stormshield. Necros would rather use the Homunculus, caster pallies
would rather use HoZ. I guess you could put it on a winddruid with high str
(for Stormshield). Mainly I guess it will be used for Pallys who have no
Hoz - hammerdins anyone?

Where would You guys use a Spirit Monarch??

Another question - do the ladder only runewords work after the lader season
ends on non-ladder??


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"Zod" <pgdoc@fjerndette.mail.tele.dk> wrote in message
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> While I agree that this runeword looks absolutely fantastic on paper, try
> looking at shields with 4 sockets and their str req.
>
> 3 shields (non Pally) can get 4 sockets: Monarch - Aegis - Ward. Of those
> the Monarch has the lowest str req of 156, Ward 185 and Aegis 219. For a
> caster thats alot of str points to use.
>
> All Pally shields can get 4 sockets - I guess its meant for Pallys this
> runeword ;o)

It can also be made in weapons, you know. Get a 4 socket crytal sword, and
you get a caster weapon with +2 skills, 25-35% FCR, 22 vita(so at minimum 44
life), FHR, and a big time mana boost...all for lvl 25 requirements.

> My crybarb has str of 75 IIRC and absolutely cannot use this. My old 1.09
> meteorb damage reduced sorc with Stormshield can use it but I would rather
> use the stormshield. Necros would rather use the Homunculus, caster
pallies
> would rather use HoZ. I guess you could put it on a winddruid with high
str
> (for Stormshield). Mainly I guess it will be used for Pallys who have no
> Hoz - hammerdins anyone?

It's also a something to use with high strength meleers who keep a CtA on
switch. A lot of pallies, wolf druids, etc have high enough strength to use
a monarch, and with it on switch instead of Lidless/Sigons/Splendor, they
get an extra level of BO/BC.

> Where would You guys use a Spirit Monarch??

Probably on a wind druid.

> Another question - do the ladder only runewords work after the lader
season
> ends on non-ladder??

I don't expect them to be any differerent from ladder only uniques.

> Cheers
>
>
 
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> Where would You guys use a Spirit Monarch??
>

My LF-zon will use one, as soon as I find a 4 socket Monarch 🙂

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I think it was "Aginrikr" <aginrikr@hotmail.com> that wrote something
like...

>
>> Where would You guys use a Spirit Monarch??
>>
>
>My LF-zon will use one, as soon as I find a 4 socket Monarch 🙂
>
>Agin
>

And to think, just a few weeks ago I dumped a 4 socket monarch I'd
been carrying around since like August as I didn't think I'd ever find
a use for it.

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Zod wrote:
> Another question - do the ladder only runewords work after the lader
> season ends on non-ladder??

I guess it is the same as with ladder uniques, they just get transferred to
non-ladder without any changes.
 
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"Shiflet" <rshiflet@charter.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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>
> "Zod" <pgdoc@fjerndette.mail.tele.dk> wrote in message
> news:41bc2cb0$0$157$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>> While I agree that this runeword looks absolutely fantastic on paper, try
>> looking at shields with 4 sockets and their str req.
>>
>> 3 shields (non Pally) can get 4 sockets: Monarch - Aegis - Ward. Of those
>> the Monarch has the lowest str req of 156, Ward 185 and Aegis 219. For a
>> caster thats alot of str points to use.
>>
>> All Pally shields can get 4 sockets - I guess its meant for Pallys this
>> runeword ;o)
>
> It can also be made in weapons, you know.

Yeah I know, I was just pondering the uses of the shield version of Spirit.

Get a 4 socket crytal sword, and
> you get a caster weapon with +2 skills, 25-35% FCR, 22 vita(so at minimum
> 44
> life), FHR, and a big time mana boost...all for lvl 25 requirements.
>
>> My crybarb has str of 75 IIRC and absolutely cannot use this. My old 1.09
>> meteorb damage reduced sorc with Stormshield can use it but I would
>> rather
>> use the stormshield. Necros would rather use the Homunculus, caster
> pallies
>> would rather use HoZ. I guess you could put it on a winddruid with high
> str
>> (for Stormshield). Mainly I guess it will be used for Pallys who have no
>> Hoz - hammerdins anyone?
>
> It's also a something to use with high strength meleers who keep a CtA on
> switch. A lot of pallies, wolf druids, etc have high enough strength to
> use
> a monarch, and with it on switch instead of Lidless/Sigons/Splendor, they
> get an extra level of BO/BC.
>
>> Where would You guys use a Spirit Monarch??
>
> Probably on a wind druid.
>
>> Another question - do the ladder only runewords work after the lader
> season
>> ends on non-ladder??
>
> I don't expect them to be any differerent from ladder only uniques.

Probalbly not - however, the ladder only uniques can only DROP on ladder, so
naturally they get transferred to non-ladder. But ladder only runewords are
not enabled on non-ladder so when they are transferred to non-ladder they
may very well be useless gemmed items given that they are not activated
there.

Well it´s not really easy to know yet ;o)



>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>
>
 
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"Zod" <pgdoc@fjerndette.mail.tele.dk> wrote in message
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> Probalbly not - however, the ladder only uniques can only DROP on ladder,
so
> naturally they get transferred to non-ladder. But ladder only runewords
are
> not enabled on non-ladder so when they are transferred to non-ladder they
> may very well be useless gemmed items given that they are not activated
> there.

Depends on how they activate them, I guess. I don't know how they do it.
Maybe when they "activate" a word, it can only be made where it's activated,
but the mods remain when it's taken elsewhere. Who knows, we shall see when
it resets(or when Blizz says something, I s'pose)

> Well it´s not really easy to know yet ;o)
>
>
>
> >
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
 
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"Shiflet" <rshiflet@charter.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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>
> "Zod" <pgdoc@fjerndette.mail.tele.dk> wrote in message
> news:41bc3606$0$226$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>
>> Probalbly not - however, the ladder only uniques can only DROP on ladder,
> so
>> naturally they get transferred to non-ladder. But ladder only runewords
> are
>> not enabled on non-ladder so when they are transferred to non-ladder they
>> may very well be useless gemmed items given that they are not activated
>> there.
>
> Depends on how they activate them, I guess. I don't know how they do it.
> Maybe when they "activate" a word, it can only be made where it's
> activated,
> but the mods remain when it's taken elsewhere. Who knows, we shall see
> when
> it resets(or when Blizz says something, I s'pose)

There were older runewords in v1.07 and v1.08 that were inactive in 1.09, do
they still work if anyone still has them?
 
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> While I agree that this runeword looks absolutely fantastic on paper, try
> looking at shields with 4 sockets and their str req.
>
> 3 shields (non Pally) can get 4 sockets: Monarch - Aegis - Ward. Of those
> the Monarch has the lowest str req of 156, Ward 185 and Aegis 219. For a
> caster thats alot of str points to use.
>
> All Pally shields can get 4 sockets - I guess its meant for Pallys this
> runeword ;o)
>
> My crybarb has str of 75 IIRC and absolutely cannot use this. My old 1.09
> meteorb damage reduced sorc with Stormshield can use it but I would rather
> use the stormshield. Necros would rather use the Homunculus, caster
pallies
> would rather use HoZ. I guess you could put it on a winddruid with high
str
> (for Stormshield). Mainly I guess it will be used for Pallys who have no
> Hoz - hammerdins anyone?
>
> Where would You guys use a Spirit Monarch??
>
> Another question - do the ladder only runewords work after the lader
season
> ends on non-ladder??
>
>
> Cheers
>

I've made three Spirit monarchs. One is on my meteorb sorc on switch with
CTA. Main shield is SS. One is on bowazon, oppisite titans for casting valk
and decoy. One is on my javazon for use when cowing or other times that
maxed resists are critical. Main shield is SS.
It's also a great shield for a hammerdin from lvl 25 to 42 and HoZ becomes
available.
Spirit can also go into swords so IMO would be good for any hammerdin or
non-sorc caster.

Bullet
 
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"chaliban" <chaliban@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Why do people say Wind Druid? Do wind druids ususally have high str? My
> windy (now clad in grey robes) only had enough for Islestrike with
> Jalal's on. So that's about 60. A monarch requires 156, so almost
> another 100 stat points. Why would a Wind Druid have had high strength
> previously?

Stormshield. In PvM, you vary rarely see windys using anything but SS or
Lidless. In PvP, you ONLY see them using SS.

> chaliban
>
 
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"chaliban" <chaliban@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hmmmm, I guess they are richer than I am then.

Well, not sure how it is on ladder. Off ladder, Stormshield is cheap because
it's fairly common.

> The DR really helps that much on a Druid?

The DR helps on anyone who gets into melee range to fight, which windys
often do.

> If you max block, you really don't have much left for life do you?

Taking less hits means less life needed too though. SS is usually the choice
simply cause it has a very high block rate(so less dex investment needed),
faster block too, plus high DR and some resists. And unless you're going for
the 163 FCR breakpoint for some reason, there's several alternatives you can
hit the 99 one with without Spirit. Spirit is cheaper(well, I guess, how
much does Lidless go for on ladder?). A wealthy wind druid can hit 99 FCR
using HotO, Arachnids, Magefists, and a 20 FCR ammy or circlet, and this
still leaves armor open for Enigma, shield open for SS, and ring slots open
for SoJ x2. If he doesn't want SS, he can use Lidless instead of the circlet
or ammy. For a poorer player who still has some decent gear, but without
Enigmas and HotOs and SoJs lying around, they could go Vipermagi, Wizspike
or Suicide Branch, and 20 FCR ammy/circlet, dual 10 FCR rings, or Lidless.

> Oh well, I guess you only get 2 life for each point.
> Thanks Shiflet.
>
> Guess I will have to decide whether the "spirit" shield will be
> worthwhile.

Personally, unless Spirit would take me to a FCR breakpoint I don't think
I'd give up the SS myself. And here's the thing for me-if I want block and
DR, I would have to use SS(and this is rather important in PvP, so anyone
with aspirations of dueling should just stick with SS). If I wasn't worried
about block and I could get a Lidless/Vipermagi/Suicide Branch or Wizzy, I'd
just do that and get 1 less skill, but save a lot of points in both dex and
strength. And this is why Spirit(in a shield, anyway) leaves me so
underwhelmed for most characters. The pure damage nuts likes it, cause it
can make their damage go up a bit, but for me, it's not a big enough boost
to invest that much stat points for it. If I'm gonna spend the points to use
a monarch, I'd rather do it for block/DR than an extra 1k damage or
whatever.
 
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"chaliban" <chaliban@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> yeah, more expensive than a HoZ I think so that is at least Mal+. Since
> my windy isn't my no. 1 priority, it would not be worth it.

SS is more expensive than HoZ on ladder? Off Ladder, Stormshield can be
gotten for 40 pgems sometimes, HoZ is usually Ist at the very least.

> I am more of the spam from a distance type (around where my hurricane
> hits) because I play HC and because I am a big chicken. Different play
> styles I guess.

For me, tornado is a bit too inaccurate to fight from that distance...and
you don't benefit from it's ability to hit 1 target multiple times with a
single tornado.

> Yeah, another problem with the Spirit is that the SS has +30 strength.
> That's a factor for those strength tierers I imagine.

Not really, cause to get that +30 strength, you still have to have the 156
needed to equip SS itself. Enigma is a big factor though for those that can
afford it, since it gives .75 strenght per clvl.
 
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"chaliban" <chaliban@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I meant that to equip you use str charms, you could then take the str
> charms out of the inventory. Thus giving you more space in the
> inventory and a saving of 30 str.

Doesn't work like that. If you drop below the 156 strength needed to hold
the Stormshield, the SS becomes unusable, and you no longer get the 30
strength. To get the +30, you must have 156, either natural or through gear
that is actually equipped.
 
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, "Shiflet" wrote:

>> "chaliban" wrote
>> > I meant that to equip you use str charms, you could then take the str
>> > charms out of the inventory. Thus giving you more space in the
>> > inventory and a saving of 30 str.
>>
>> Doesn't work like that. If you drop below the 156 strength needed to hold
>> the Stormshield, the SS becomes unusable, and you no longer get the 30
>> strength. To get the +30, you must have 156, either natural or through gear
>> that is actually equipped.

What you say is true *until* you *equip* the SS. From then on, provided
you have 126 str from all other sources combined, the SS remains
equipped. Whenever you un-equip the SS (weapon swap for example), if
that causes str to drop below 156, you can't re-equip the SS until you
get 156 str without considering the +30 on the SS.

Socket SS with a Hel until you get 156 non-shield str?


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"Brian Brunner" <brian.brunner@verizon.net.profit> wrote in message
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> What you say is true *until* you *equip* the SS. From then on, provided
> you have 126 str from all other sources combined, the SS remains
> equipped.

I will test later. I know it is NOT that way with the Herald of Zakarum
though, and it boosts strength too. If I drop below the strength needed to
equip the HoZ, it LOSES the strength bonus that it gives, and is unequipped,
even though the strength it gives should be enough to keep it equipped...I
figured SS would work the same way, perhaps not.

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That situation was caused by you switching weapons. Try it again and see.

Shiflet wrote:

> "Brian Brunner" <brian.brunner@verizon.net.profit> wrote in message
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>
>>What you say is true *until* you *equip* the SS. From then on, provided
>>you have 126 str from all other sources combined, the SS remains
>>equipped.
>
>
> I will test later. I know it is NOT that way with the Herald of Zakarum
> though, and it boosts strength too. If I drop below the strength needed to
> equip the HoZ, it LOSES the strength bonus that it gives, and is unequipped,
> even though the strength it gives should be enough to keep it equipped...I
> figured SS would work the same way, perhaps not.
>
>
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"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> That situation was caused by you switching weapons. Try it again and see.

Huh? Weapon switch had nothing to do with it. That situation was caused by
me trading 1 Annihilus for another one with better resists.
 
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:28:07 GMT, Brian Brunner
<brian.brunner@verizon.net.profit> wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, "Shiflet" wrote:
>
>>> "chaliban" wrote
>>> > I meant that to equip you use str charms, you could then take the str
>>> > charms out of the inventory. Thus giving you more space in the
>>> > inventory and a saving of 30 str.
>>>
>>> Doesn't work like that. If you drop below the 156 strength needed to hold
>>> the Stormshield, the SS becomes unusable, and you no longer get the 30
>>> strength. To get the +30, you must have 156, either natural or through gear
>>> that is actually equipped.
>
>What you say is true *until* you *equip* the SS. From then on, provided
>you have 126 str from all other sources combined, the SS remains
>equipped.

Officially, that's not supposed to happen. If it does, I'd be
inclined to call it a bug.
 
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Kaos wrote:

>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Brian Brunner wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, "Shiflet" wrote:
>> >
>> >>> "chaliban" wrote
>> >>> > I meant that to equip you use str charms, you could then take the str
>> >>> > charms out of the inventory. Thus giving you more space in the
>> >>> > inventory and a saving of 30 str.
>> >>>
>> >>> Doesn't work like that. If you drop below the 156 strength needed to hold
>> >>> the Stormshield, the SS becomes unusable, and you no longer get the 30
>> >>> strength. To get the +30, you must have 156, either natural or through gear
>> >>> that is actually equipped.
>> >
>> >What you say is true *until* you *equip* the SS. From then on, provided
>> >you have 126 str from all other sources combined, the SS remains
>> >equipped.
>>
>> Officially, that's not supposed to happen. If it does, I'd be
>> inclined to call it a bug.

That's the way it was with my marrowwalks... which give a big strength
boost. I could wear them, I could take them off, but I couldn't put
them back on until I swapped ammy's for one with +str sufficient to put
the 'walks on. After they were on, I could toss the ammy for a +2
skiller and kill away. 'walks were fully functional.

It's always been this way.


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"Kaos" <kaos@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:28:07 GMT, Brian Brunner
> <brian.brunner@verizon.net.profit> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, "Shiflet" wrote:
> >
> >>> "chaliban" wrote
> >>> > I meant that to equip you use str charms, you could then take the
str
> >>> > charms out of the inventory. Thus giving you more space in the
> >>> > inventory and a saving of 30 str.
> >>>
> >>> Doesn't work like that. If you drop below the 156 strength needed to
hold
> >>> the Stormshield, the SS becomes unusable, and you no longer get the 30
> >>> strength. To get the +30, you must have 156, either natural or through
gear
> >>> that is actually equipped.
> >
> >What you say is true *until* you *equip* the SS. From then on, provided
> >you have 126 str from all other sources combined, the SS remains
> >equipped.
>
> Officially, that's not supposed to happen. If it does, I'd be
> inclined to call it a bug.

That's the way it works. I used to put war travs on my sorc that way. I'd
pump up her strength a bit with charms, get the boots on, and dump the
charms. The strength bonus from the boots kept my strength over the
requirement. I'm not sure why you would call it a bug, it makes sense to
me.

There is a risk to doing this though. If you die and try to recover your
body, you won't be able to because you won't have the strength to equip the
item. If you have the inventory space, it just ends up there.
 
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:45:41 GMT, "Whitedog"
<jroyer2@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>"Kaos" <kaos@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:28:07 GMT, Brian Brunner
>> <brian.brunner@verizon.net.profit> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, "Shiflet" wrote:
>> >
>> >>> "chaliban" wrote
>> >>> > I meant that to equip you use str charms, you could then take the
>str
>> >>> > charms out of the inventory. Thus giving you more space in the
>> >>> > inventory and a saving of 30 str.
>> >>>
>> >>> Doesn't work like that. If you drop below the 156 strength needed to
>hold
>> >>> the Stormshield, the SS becomes unusable, and you no longer get the 30
>> >>> strength. To get the +30, you must have 156, either natural or through
>gear
>> >>> that is actually equipped.
>> >
>> >What you say is true *until* you *equip* the SS. From then on, provided
>> >you have 126 str from all other sources combined, the SS remains
>> >equipped.
>>
>> Officially, that's not supposed to happen. If it does, I'd be
>> inclined to call it a bug.
>
>That's the way it works. I used to put war travs on my sorc that way. I'd
>pump up her strength a bit with charms, get the boots on, and dump the
>charms. The strength bonus from the boots kept my strength over the
>requirement. I'm not sure why you would call it a bug, it makes sense to
>me.

I'd call it a bug because it defies what the documentation says
*should* happen - implying this behaviour (as sensible as it may be)
is unintentional.

Of course, it is possible they changed their minds on it and forgot to
change the docs.

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"Kaos" <kaos@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:45:41 GMT, "Whitedog"
> <jroyer2@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >"Kaos" <kaos@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >news:n5f2s0p0kl4oifo6g2qv31ge237mhba6te@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:28:07 GMT, Brian Brunner
> >> <brian.brunner@verizon.net.profit> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, "Shiflet" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> "chaliban" wrote
> >> >>> > I meant that to equip you use str charms, you could then take the
> >str
> >> >>> > charms out of the inventory. Thus giving you more space in the
> >> >>> > inventory and a saving of 30 str.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Doesn't work like that. If you drop below the 156 strength needed
to
> >hold
> >> >>> the Stormshield, the SS becomes unusable, and you no longer get the
30
> >> >>> strength. To get the +30, you must have 156, either natural or
through
> >gear
> >> >>> that is actually equipped.
> >> >
> >> >What you say is true *until* you *equip* the SS. From then on,
provided
> >> >you have 126 str from all other sources combined, the SS remains
> >> >equipped.
> >>
> >> Officially, that's not supposed to happen. If it does, I'd be
> >> inclined to call it a bug.
> >
> >That's the way it works. I used to put war travs on my sorc that way.
I'd
> >pump up her strength a bit with charms, get the boots on, and dump the
> >charms. The strength bonus from the boots kept my strength over the
> >requirement. I'm not sure why you would call it a bug, it makes sense to
> >me.
>
> I'd call it a bug because it defies what the documentation says
> *should* happen - implying this behaviour (as sensible as it may be)
> is unintentional.

Can't say I remember the last time I ever looked at the documentation.