SSD vs GPU UPGRADE?

Jaja_2

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I have parts that I am going to buy on Monday and I would like to know something.

In the build I was planning on getting a 1050 ti with a 120gb SSD but I was thinking about getting just the 1060 3gb instead. Would it be better?

Current parts I have

-i3 4170 3.7ghz
-8gb ram

and i am also buying a new case, power supply, motherboard.

EDIT: I want to play games like, CSGO, Rust, Arma 3, GTA 5, Overwatch, and others. And possible record.
 
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The 1060 is a LOT faster than a 1050TI

The RX 480 is just as fast and a lot cheaper.

I really don't understand why people buy 1050TI or GTX 1060 foir gaming when there is the RX 480 available. Even a used R9 390 would be a better choice in my opinion.

People might buy the nVidia 1050 series because of low power usage, it can run on 55W. The AMD RX series needs up to twice the power. In hot parts of the world, the RX's extra heat and fan noise is a problem.
Also in theory the 1050 series will run off the PCI-E slot. It mightn't need a PCI-E power cable. This is important for brand name computers which often have a small power supply.
An important thing is the graphics RAM. Games that need 4 Gb RAM will lag on a 2 Gb card...


The 1060 is a LOT faster than a 1050TI

The RX 480 is just as fast and a lot cheaper.

I really don't understand why people buy 1050TI or GTX 1060 foir gaming when there is the RX 480 available. Even a used R9 390 would be a better choice in my opinion.
 


the gtx 1060 3gb is around the same speed (seems a bit faster in DX11) as the rx 480 and around the same price. the gtx 1060 6gb is definitely faster than the rx 480 but a bit more. are you confusing the two?

also...people buy the gtx 1050 Ti for gaming because...it's cheaper than all of those other options and they can't afford something better? that's pretty simple if you ask me
 
If your interest is gaming, then the 1060 is a better choice. Whether that's the best GPU you can get is another question, but the general concept of ditching the SSD and putting the money towards a better GPU makes sense in your case.

You can always add a SSD later on for $60 or so, but in order to get a better GPU if you go with 1050Ti + SSD now is going to cost you much more later.
 

Prices between a 480 and 1060 are pretty comparable (currently only ~$10 difference between the cheapest 1060 6GB/480 8GB on pcpartpicker). It's definitely not "a lot cheaper".

And while overall performance is similar on average, there are a number of games where one card outperforms the other by a decent margin. E.g. if one plays a lot of GTA V I'd say that the 1060 is a good choice.

Don't get me wrong, I like the 480 as much or more than the next guy (which is why I bought one), but the GTX 1060 is still a very good, competitive card.

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The GTX 1060 is maybe 5% faster in a perfect world, on paper. That 5% comes at a cost of over $100. not worth it.
What? Where are you getting $100 price difference from?
 
1. The SSD is too small, forget anything below 250 GB. You might consider an SSHD

Boot Windows from HD = 21.2 seconds
Boot Windows from SSHD = 16.5 seconds
Boot Windows from HD = 15.6 seconds


2. If I sat you down at 2 computers, you'd notice the GFX change in seconds.

As for the GFX card choice..... 1060 6G > 480 8GB ~ 1060 3GB > 480 4GB

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The correct choice will ultimately depend on what games you play. What we know:

1. Which one - Not all cards are created equal but this is especially true with the RX 480. Techpowerup writes:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/RX_480_Gaming_X/28.html

In my opinion, this is thus far the only RX 480 that looks like it can compete with the GTX 1060 and its custom designs.

2. Out of the Box performance - So let's compare two cards from the same (MSI) manufacturer and model line (Gaming X). From above link:

As a result, the card is 4% faster than the RX 480 reference and 6-7% slower than the [reference] GeForce GTX 980, GTX 1060, and Radeon R9 Fury, which all have roughly the same performance at 1080p.

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3. AIB Cards - From the above, we see that the MSI RX 480 is 7% faster overall in TPUs 16 game test suite. From Below, the MSI 1060 Gaming X is 3% faster than the reference 1060 ... so we can can conclude that at the time of testing the MSI 1060 was 10% faster than the MSI 480 in the 16 game test suite

4. Overclocking - We see there that the MSI 480 overclocks 8.6% and the MSI 1060 overclocks 15.1%.. So when the 1060 (10% performance advantage) is overclocked, the relative difference would be:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/RX_480_Gaming_X/26.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1060_Gaming_X/27.html

110% x (115.1 / 108.6) = 116.6% of the 480s speed or 16.6 % faster

As for difference between brands ... the various brands trade wins depending on generation and model line but the EVGA SC is one to avoid as, unlike the competition, they use a reference PCB and referece style PCB cooling.

5. Driver improvements - AMDs driver improvements have improved the performance of the 480 since originally tested. As we can see from the link here, TPU tested the results from the latest driver improvements and found an increase if 2.1% at 1080 p average across 21 games:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_Crimson_ReLive_Drivers/6.html

Unfortunately, we have no info on what improvements have resulted from newer nVidia drivers but suffice to say, those improvements have not erased that 10% gap outta the box (16.6% in both overclocked.

6. Cost - Last I looked (yesterday) the MSI 1060 6GB was about $15 more than the MSI 480 8GB on newegg. But there are other costs worth considering

7. Power - There is a significant difference in power usage between the two cards. One of the reasons for the MSI 480s performance,as stated in the review, is because it is able to use more power than many other 480s. That's 75 watts in typical gaming and 99 watts peak

The MSI 480 draws from 196 - 224 watts
The MSI 1060 draws from 121 - 125 watts

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/RX_480_Gaming_X/21.html

8. Power Costs - While this is something you normally wouldn't consider, when cards are very close in performance, it may be of significance to many users, especially those in Europe and especially in urban / suburban locales.

75 watts x 35 hours per week x 52.14 weeks per year x 3 years usage x $0.131 US average electric cost per kw-hr / (1000 watts per kw=hr x 85% efficiency) = $63.28

9. Case Cooling - The rule of thump for case fans in a relatively quiet system is one (1) case fan per 75 watts for power. So for comparable interior case temps, you might want to include the cost of an extra case fan.

10. Noise - The 480 is 3 dbA louder than the 1060

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/RX_480_Gaming_X/22.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1060_Gaming_X/23.html

So ... that's the data ... it's up to you to look at what you want to do with it ...

- If you don't use MSI Afterburner, then the OC advantage may be of no interest to you
- If you wear headphones, then the noise advantage will be of no interest to you
- Initially the 480 has an apparent cost advantage but the larger PSU requirement and extra case fan eats that up. Considering power costs along with the preceding, the 1060 is the more cost effective buy by far
- If you already have an oversized PSU then the power advantage is of no interest to you
- If you don't pay for electricity cause it's included in rent, then the power advantage is of no interest to you
- But most of all, if those 16 - 21 games that TPU uses for testing are not ones you play, then you need to pay specific attention to how each performs in games you do play... so start here and see how each performs in the games you are interested in.


https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/RX_480_Gaming_X/6.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1060_Gaming_X/6.html

How each individual arrives at their choice will be different for everyone, there is no "wrong choice" here.
 
The SSD will reduce wait times when loading the games. A new GPU will improve rendering those games - higher settings & better frame rates. Up to you which is more important.

As for which card to choose .... 1060 and RX 480 perform about the same. The RX will do it for less money spent but uses more power and makes more heat.
 

Where are you getting your numbers from? The 470 is 25% better on average, not 50%. And it costs about 25% more, so...
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1050_Ti_Gaming_X/27.html
 

Well yeah, if you choose one of the most expensive 1050 Tis on Newegg and compare it to one of the cheapest 470s, they are about the same price...
If you compare the cheapest 1050 Ti and RX 470, or two 'equivalent' models (e.g. MSI 1050 Ti 4GT OC vs RX 470 Armor 4G OC), there's still a good $20+ difference. The RX 470 does seem to offer better performance per dollar though.
 


I don't think one needs to think about this very long as an either / or situation...as we are talking about a potential impact measured in seconds per day versus one in hours per day. It's all about perspective ... and what people notice. If you give to sets of folks the same picture to comment on, one group saying "I like this picture what do you think" and the other group, "what's wrong with this picture ?", it's a safe bet that the 2nd group will find the anomaly much more often than the first. So if your approach is "let me see if i can tell the difference" ... versus ... "will anyone notice if i change this ?", you will get two very different sets of results. You might find this data interesting.

Over 6 weeks, 5 users used the same desktop machine equipped with (2) SSDs, (2) SSHDs and (1) 7200 rpm HD. Each night the machine was reconfigured to boot off and run the same programs / games off a different device. In one instance, one user noted that the boot time "seemed slower than yesterday" when he was moved from SSD to HD boot. The other times, same user didn't notice anything. No user reported any difference in application or gaming performance.

Test was repeated with otherwise identical laptops ... one with SSD + HD and one with SSHD only ... again no one noted any differences in application or gaming performance. Sure you can run a benchmark and prove how much faster a SSD is ... or you can choose a task and stare at the screen (perhaps with a stopwatch even) and note the difference. But in everyday use, people don't do that and that allows the "bottleneck" to enter the equation... that bottleneck is usually the user who after launching an app is looking at the hard copy of what he / she wants to edit with that application ... whether the app took 3 seconds to load or 8 seconds to load is immaterial because the user's eyes don't return to the screen for 12-20 seconds. So when you sneak an SSD or SSHD into that users machine, they don't notice cause:

a) the file they are loading is sitting on the HD and therefore the SSD isn't helping anything
b) They are busy doing something else that has to be done regardless of how fast the file loads.

Who is more productive ?

User 1 (SSD) - Loads file (takes 3 seconds), but rather than watching screen, begins to read what changes have to be done (12 seconds) and starts typing 12 seconds after launching the file

User 2 (SSHD) - Loads file (takes 3.1 seconds), but rather than watching screen, begins to read what changes have to be done (12 seconds) and starts typing 12 seconds after launching the file

User 3 (HD) - Loads file (takes 4.5 seconds), but rather than watching screen, begins to read what changes have to be done (12 seconds) and starts typing 12 seconds after launching the file.

I compare an SSD to owning a Porsche ... it's an impressive machine, brings a smilel to your face when you are able to experience it's abilities, but in the end, when my neighbor and I leave for work (in the same office building) at the same time and he's in his Toyota Corolla, we both get to work at the exact same time because the reality is that rush hour traffic rather than horsepower determines the commuting time.

So yes on a test bench, SSDs edge SSHDs and are much faster than HDs. Put people into the equation and the advantage pretty much disappears. In the workplace, no manager will every be able to financially justify installing SSDs on a normal office scenario as no productivity increases will ever be realized. Boot time ?...whether SSD's 15.6 seconds, SSHD's 16.5 or HDs 21.2 seconds doesn't affect anything because Bill is chatting with Harry about the Stupor Bowl while hanging up his jacket, Mary is chatting w/ Kathy about last night's NJ housewives while looking at what was placed in her inbox, Sue is listening to her phone messages and Adam is talking on his cell phone about today's lunch meeting w/ the boss.

Now in a production (video editing, animation, rendering, etc.) environment, you can certainly justify the investment as performance of the storage subsystem does have huge impact on time to completion which does impact the bottom line... that's why there are $1,000 CPUs and CUDA cards in those boxes too.

But here where it comes down to a better card or an SSD, the card will impact the user for every second of the gaming session which for a typical gamer is 35 hours a week. The SSD **might** have an impact on loading time but, in most instances, there is no relevant impact as the user is logging into his voice chat app, launching whatever notes data he / she keeps for stats, craft recipes, whatever ... walkthru sites. So it comes down to maybe 5 seconds of faster loading time or do you focus on the 35 hours per week of playing time ?

The other part is, that 120 GB SSD is going to be filling up with junk repeatedly. Despite here you install a game or program, it will still load common files on C:\ . That maintenance has to be weighed against any theoretical time savings.

We typically use / recommend and 250 GB SSD for apps and programs (maybe fav game or 2) and an SSD for data and other games. When budget is an issue, a) the SSHD provides better overall performance than SSD + HD b) it's also cheaper and c) the SSD easily can be added later, duplicating the OS partition from the SSHD to the SSD. For the $20 premium, can't see a reason to ever use a HD, we haven't installed one in 7 years

 
disagree. although i would definitely take the better GPU over a better storage drive in the OP's case, SSDs are life changing compared to an HDD. differences in loading times with MOST games on an SSD are honestly not that noticable (for me) but the general usability of the PC is what you will notice the most. i absolutely LOATHE working on PCs with mechanical boot drives these days, especially when they're bogged down with all sorts of malware and crap. i've upgraded tons of computers for co workers, friends and family and they ALL notice the difference and continue to appreciate it months and years later. but either way, get the better GPU over the SSD. get at least a 250GB SSD later when you can afford it.
 


Let's just say, I question your example speed differences. I notice a much bigger difference, but then again, you are likely talking about full boot time, rather than from the Windows boot time. The same goes for loading in most games.

From a cold boot to Windows may be 20 seconds on an HD, compared to 15 seconds on an SSD, but once loaded, there is another 30-60 seconds of slow downs as Windows does a lot of behind the scene tasks, while the SSD machine is instantly usable at full speed. In games, the load screens in many games are less than half that when I'm playing on an HD, but you are right in that it might not matter if you don't store your games on the SSD. I usually attempt to put my most used game(s) on my SSD, and the rest on the HD.

Anyways, it's a personal opinion on what is best. If your machine is mostly just used for gaming, I'd get the faster GPU, otherwise, I'd get the SSD, and when it's time to upgrade, I'll get a better GPU later, at which point my system would be better than if I had go the other way around.
 
"In the workplace, no manager will every be able to financially justify installing SSDs on a normal office scenario as no productivity increases will ever be realized."

This is wrong. I don't think you've worked for a medium to large company yet, or you're a WD/Seagate salesman. They are SO easy to justify:

1. SSDs fail less often than their mechanical forefathers, which results in less employee downtime and less work for IT.
2. Smaller SSDs force employees to place their files in shared storage (cloud, san, etc) which allows them to be BACKED UP.
3. The cost of having skilled labors is SO much higher (it's not just salary), that ANYTHING you can do to increase productivity is a win.



 
The 1060 is a LOT faster than a 1050TI

The RX 480 is just as fast and a lot cheaper.

I really don't understand why people buy 1050TI or GTX 1060 foir gaming when there is the RX 480 available. Even a used R9 390 would be a better choice in my opinion.

People might buy the nVidia 1050 series because of low power usage, it can run on 55W. The AMD RX series needs up to twice the power. In hot parts of the world, the RX's extra heat and fan noise is a problem.
Also in theory the 1050 series will run off the PCI-E slot. It mightn't need a PCI-E power cable. This is important for brand name computers which often have a small power supply.
An important thing is the graphics RAM. Games that need 4 Gb RAM will lag on a 2 Gb card. Hence an RX 470 4Gb card could outperform a 1060 2 Gb card.

 
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