Question Stability issues with Intel 13/14th gen CPU ?

[iolly5a]

I was planning to build a pc with either 14700k CPU or 13700K CPU for video editing in premiere pro. But since the last 1 month Intel has officially said that many users are facing crashes and BSODs due to overclocking profiles that various motherboard companies have pushed out. Some are saying that it is a 13th/14th gen CPU problem.

1) Are you guys facing BSODs and system/software crashes while doing work with a 13th/14th gen CPU ?​

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2) Should I shift to AMD for stability ?​

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3) Should I get an unlocked 13th/14th gen CPU and get a good motherboard that provides stability ?​

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4) Which motherboard should I get to have stability ?​

 

[TerryLaze]

No matter what system you go with you will always have to manually make sure that the bios has proper settings for stability, with intel it's power and current and with amd it's vsoc and ram timings.

With the settings intel is telling you your system will be stable, from the CPU side at least, anything else in the system can still cause instability.

 

[iolly5a]

But what about the issue that many 13/14th gen CPU are facing instability issue and bosd issues. Are you sure if I undervolt them or use the basic intel profile the 13th and the 14th gen would be stable?

No matter what system you go with you will always have to manually make sure that the bios has proper settings for stability, with intel it's power and current and with amd it's vsoc and ram timings.

With the settings intel is telling you your system will be stable, from the CPU side at least, anything else in the system can still cause instability.

 

[Silas Sanchez]

Nowadays you buy a PC and expect it to work flawlessly out of the box, long gone the days of tweaking anything. My AMD system is bone stock, haven't done a single thing to the cpu, ram, fan speeds etc and its amazingly fast and streamlined. Everything i have read about Intel is enough to scare me away, their cpus simply run too hot and that is what happens when you are greedy and wan't those rather meaningless higher clock speeds in the benchmarks, you push your product beyond its comfortable working parameters and it manifests as heat and poor performance per watt, thats due to the basic physics of the transistor, Intel cant ever hide that.
Stuff Intel, you are also at the mercy of incompetent mobo makers who dont seem to know what they are doing. It's gonna take some years for Intel to redeem themselves.

So id recommend a mobo oriented for creator work like ASUS proart x670e and a 7950X. This is a popular stable setup many are using. Only tweak might be BIOS upgrade. Its a very fast powerful setup.

 

[TerryLaze]

Everything i have read about Intel is enough to scare me away, their cpus simply run too hot and that is what happens when you are greedy and wan't those rather meaningless higher clock speeds in the benchmarks, you push your product beyond its comfortable working parameters and it manifests as heat and poor performance per watt, thats due to the basic physics of the transistor, Intel cant ever hide that.

This was bone stock as well.....AMD can't ever hide that.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/27/23700688/amd-ryzen-7000-x3d-cpus-burnt-out-am5-motherboard-fix

But what about the issue that many 13/14th gen CPU are facing instability issue and bosd issues. Are you sure if I undervolt them or use the basic intel profile the 13th and the 14th gen would be stable?

Undervolting can cause instabilities of its own, many newer intel mobos even have undervolt protection which will cause the CPU to run extremely slow if the volts are too low.
All the instability comes from mobos using values that are way too high, you have to check to make sure that whatever mobo you get uses settings that are within the limits.

 

[iolly5a]

Nowadays you buy a PC and expect it to work flawlessly out of the box, long gone the days of tweaking anything. My AMD system is bone stock, haven't done a single thing to the cpu, ram, fan speeds etc and its amazingly fast and streamlined. Everything i have read about Intel is enough to scare me away, their cpus simply run too hot and that is what happens when you are greedy and wan't those rather meaningless higher clock speeds in the benchmarks, you push your product beyond its comfortable working parameters and it manifests as heat and poor performance per watt, thats due to the basic physics of the transistor, Intel cant ever hide that.
Stuff Intel, you are also at the mercy of incompetent mobo makers who dont seem to know what they are doing. It's gonna take some years for Intel to redeem themselves.

So id recommend a mobo oriented for creator work like ASUS proart x670e and a 7950X. This is a popular stable setup many are using. Only tweak might be BIOS upgrade. Its a very fast powerful setup.

Well I was going with intel 13th/14th gen CPU because of Intel quick sync feature. As I would be doing a lot of complex editing in premiere pro which is a program that relies on CPU , quick sync would help me in faster encoding/decoding. Whereas for AMD I am not sure I would get that feature and because the premiere pro is CPU hungry I think AMD may provide me stability but not the performance , what do you think?

 

[geofelt]

There is nothing wrong with Intel 13/14th gen processors.
The problem comes in when motherboards or users try to tweak them to performance levels beyond their capability.
In the bios, "load optimized defaults" May mean just basic settings, or high performance settings.
If you are not comfortable with distinguishing between the two, I suggest looking at the non K products.
They are 65w tdp processors that can not be overclocked.
They come with very good laminar flow coolers.
The I7-14700 is a comparable performer to the i7-13700K

The I9-14900 is comparable to the I7-14700K.

Look at the passmark numbers for more details to compare.

 

[iolly5a]

There is nothing wrong with Intel 13/14th gen processors.
The problem comes in when motherboards or users try to tweak them to performance levels beyond their capability.
In the bios, "load optimized defaults" May mean just basic settings, or high performance settings.
If you are not comfortable with distinguishing between the two, I suggest looking at the non K products.
They are 65w tdp processors that can not be overclocked.
They come with very good laminar flow coolers.
The I7-14700 is a comparable performer to the i7-13700K

The I9-14900 is comparable to the I7-14700K.

Look at the passmark numbers for more details to compare.

What if I use the 13th/14th gen CPU and use the basic intel profile without overclocking , will I get the stability ?

 

[Munkustrap]

What if I use the 13th/14th gen CPU and use the basic intel profile without overclocking , will I get the stability ?

Most likely. Many folks (like me) have run both a 13900K and 14900K with a small overclock for months without issues. As with everything, your mileage may vary.

 

[geofelt]

What if I use the 13th/14th gen CPU and use the basic intel profile without overclocking , will I get the stability ?

Yes.

 

[TheHerald]

Nowadays you buy a PC and expect it to work flawlessly out of the box, long gone the days of tweaking anything. My AMD system is bone stock, haven't done a single thing to the cpu, ram, fan speeds etc and its amazingly fast and streamlined. Everything i have read about Intel is enough to scare me away, their cpus simply run too hot and that is what happens when you are greedy and wan't those rather meaningless higher clock speeds in the benchmarks, you push your product beyond its comfortable working parameters and it manifests as heat and poor performance per watt, thats due to the basic physics of the transistor, Intel cant ever hide that.
Stuff Intel, you are also at the mercy of incompetent mobo makers who dont seem to know what they are doing. It's gonna take some years for Intel to redeem themselves.

So id recommend a mobo oriented for creator work like ASUS proart x670e and a 7950X. This is a popular stable setup many are using. Only tweak might be BIOS upgrade. Its a very fast powerful setup.

If your pc is bone stock without xmp on top of that then your pc is just mega slow, lol.

 

[35below0]

If your pc is bone stock without xmp on top of that then your pc is just mega slow, lol.

He says it's fast. But you know better.

 

[TheHerald]

He says it's fast. But you know better.

What he is saying is subjective. I can claim my pentium 4 pc is super fast. Doesn't make it true.

Objectively gaming performance takes a huge hit without XMP. He might be fine with the performance he is getting, but most people wouldn't, that's why people enable xmp, undervolt, overclock, tune ram etc.

I can post a comparison on my pc with xmp off (4800 ram) and xmp on (7000), the difference will be 20+%

 

[35below0]

Objectively gaming performance takes a huge hit without XMP. He might be fine with the performance he is getting, but most people wouldn't, that's why people enable xmp, undervolt, overclock, tune ram etc.

That's nonsense. And you are once again offering your genius without realising that there is no problem asking for your solution.

Silas has a working PC, he's happy with it and you want to fix it. Fix what? Can't you see how flawed that is?
Your numbers may back up your claim but they cannot change that you're trying to fix what doesn't need fixing, and that is how you screw things up in the first place.

Don't offer opinionated claims as advice to others. "Huge hit" is baseless, as far away from objective as possible.
Enjoy overclocking or undervolting, and feel free to share your findings. There's a million different ways to use a PC and enjoy it.

 

[TheHerald]

That's nonsense. And you are once again offering your genius without realising that there is no problem asking for your solution.

Silas has a working PC, he's happy with it and you want to fix it. Fix what? Can't you see how flawed that is?
Your numbers may back up your claim but they cannot change that you're trying to fix what doesn't need fixing, and that is how you screw things up in the first place.

Don't offer opinionated claims as advice to others. "Huge hit" is baseless, as far away from objective as possible.
Enjoy overclocking or undervolting, and feel free to share your findings. There's a million different ways to use a PC and enjoy it.

Where did I offer to fix anything? Im just explaining that whether you go for Intel or amd, you need to tune things into the bios.

You could argue the same thing about his post but you didn't. My intel cpu doesn't run too warm and my mobo out of the box settings are perfect, so why is he claiming otherwise?