Question Stick with z370 and upgrade or switch to amd?

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I want your opinions on the below as a gamer + streamer.

Currently have a z370 board, I can either upgrade to 9900k to stream using x264 but have heard this is not great?

Or replace my motherboard and processor to x570 and 3700x.

Both will cost me the same price.

I currently use NVENC for streaming but with overlays it really makes me lagg. I have a 1060 6GB - not looking to upgrade yet.
 
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Since you are running a 1060 the reality is the two CPU's will provide about the same gaming experience...if you had a 2080ti then the 9900k would provide a 5-10% boost at max frame rates.

If it was me I would stay with intel at this point since your whole system is already in place...moving to Ryzen would require a complete re-install to get proper performance from a whole new hardware architecture...you can't simply move your harddrive over and re-start Windows if you want it to work right.

On the other hand if you have the extra cash and can afford a x570 + 3900x setup then that will be much better than the 9900k for a gaming/streaming setup.
 
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I would say they are equal, I want to stream the games i play. I can upgrade my gfx to a 2060 super?

Currently i have:

Motherboard - Gigabyte HD3P
CPU - i5 8400
RAM - 16gb corsair 3000mhz
PSU - Corsair RM850X
Graphics Card - 1060 6GB Gigabyte Windforce
Cooler - Corsair H100i v2

At the moment it is cheaper for me to upgrade to the 9900k, but the AMD performs better when streaming and gaming?
 
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How good do you need to be?

Your 6 core i5-8400 has a passmark rating of 11579 and a single thread rating of 2333.
The total rating is applicable when all 6 threads are fully utilized like when streaming.
The single thread rating is more important to games.

The i7-9700K has 8 threads and a rating of 17196/2819. A nice boost for either streaming or gaming.
The i9-9900K has 16 threads and a 20199/ 2895 rating.
Very similar to the 9700K in gaming but better for streaming.

The 3700X is similar with a 23893/2911 rating.
What is different is that the K processors can overclock to near 5.0 on all cores while ryzen has little overclocking room and may not reach advertised boost speeds.

If you upgrade to 9th gen intel, first update your motherboard bios to F11 before removing the 8400.

Your PSU is strong enough for any graphics card you might want, including a RTX2080ti.
 
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geofelt said:
How good do you need to be?

Your 6 core i5-8400 has a passmark rating of 11579 and a single thread rating of 2333.
The total rating is applicable when all 6 threads are fully utilized like when streaming.
The single thread rating is more important to games.

The i7-9700K has 8 threads and a rating of 17196/2819. A nice boost for either streaming or gaming.
The i9-9900K has 16 threads and a 20199/ 2895 rating.
Very similar to the 9700K in gaming but better for streaming.

The 3700X is similar with a 23893/2911 rating.
What is different is that the K processors can overclock to near 5.0 on all cores while ryzen has little overclocking room and may not reach advertised boost speeds.

If you upgrade to 9th gen intel, first update your motherboard bios to F11 before removing the 8400.

Your PSU is strong enough for any graphics card you might want, including a RTX2080ti.
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From what your saying though the 3700x has a better score than the 9900k?

In addition to this, upgrading to the AMD gives me an upgrade path like 3950x and future 4 series whereas the intel will be a dead end?

Am i reading the scores wrong?
 
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You are reading the scores correctly.
But, I think your conclusions are not correct.
Today, there is essentially no difference.
The 3950X with 32 threads cores can hit 4.3 on all cores with water cooling.
No idea of the price.
That sounds great, but games do not effectively use more than 4, perhaps 6 threads.
It is more important for games that the cores be fast.
The 9900K can reach 5.0 on all threads under the best conditions.
If multithreaded batch production is what is most important, then ryzen is a good deal.
But, I think I would rather tolerate longer batch run times than suffer stuttering because of lower cpu core speed.
As to future, it always seems to me that whenever I upgrade a processor, I always should upgrade to the latest chipset motherboard.
No doubt the next intel 10th processors due out next year(sunny cove with possible 18%ipc gain)
are likely to use a new chipset and motherboard.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...ics-sunny-cove-thunderbolt-3-usb-c,39477.html
X470 was supposed to be able to run 3000 series but it seems like X570 is what is recommended.

Bottom line to me is to buy what fills your needs for the next year or so now.
When your needs change re-evaluate.
"future proofing" is largely a myth.
 
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I saw the 'announcement' that Gigabyte hit 4.3 GHz on all cores for at least one sample of an R9-3950X...with some unnamed water cooling setup..

I'd be a little leary of expecting such results as typical this soon...based on their one sample, meant more as them touting their board than what is typical of a given CPU, I'm sure... (It'd be darn nice for the first 12 retail samples to prove them right, however!)
 
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geofelt said:
You are reading the scores correctly.
But, I think your conclusions are not correct.
Today, there is essentially no difference.
The 3950X with 32 threads cores can hit 4.3 on all cores with water cooling.
No idea of the price.
That sounds great, but games do not effectively use more than 4, perhaps 6 threads.
It is more important for games that the cores be fast.
The 9900K can reach 5.0 on all threads under the best conditions.
If multithreaded batch production is what is most important, then ryzen is a good deal.
But, I think I would rather tolerate longer batch run times than suffer stuttering because of lower cpu core speed.
As to future, it always seems to me that whenever I upgrade a processor, I always should upgrade to the latest chipset motherboard.
No doubt the next intel 10th processors due out next year(sunny cove with possible 18%ipc gain)
are likely to use a new chipset and motherboard.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...ics-sunny-cove-thunderbolt-3-usb-c,39477.html
X470 was supposed to be able to run 3000 series but it seems like X570 is what is recommended.

Bottom line to me is to buy what fills your needs for the next year or so now.
When your needs change re-evaluate.
"future proofing" is largely a myth.
Click to expand...

And for the purpose of streaming on twitch using overlays cam and everything, using the processor at medium is still goinf to cope?

This is where my issue is, if it was no problem then i would buy the 9900k but everywhere says the 3700x for gaming and streaming is better than the 9900k?
 
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There seems to be some issue with the ryzen 3000 processors not being able to reach advertised boost frequencies on a single core, let alone on all cores.
If that might be an issue to you, do some google searches.

Regardless, once you pay $300 or so on a current gen processor, you are going to get a good performance boost, either gaming or streaming.

Keep in mind that a balanced gamer will budget about 2x the cost of the processor for the graphics card.
And, make certain that you have sufficient ram if you are going to be heavily multitasking. 16gb at least.
 
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