Question Storage M.2 Gen 4/Motherboard Vroc compatiblity

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Hello, I just purchased 4 2Tb Sn770 m.2's which are gen 4 and an asus ASUS Hyper M.2 X16 PCIe 4.0 X4 Expansion Card. Moreover, I'm running a asrock x299 killer sli ac Motherboard. now I know it's gen 3 but I figured why not buy gen 4 for future proofing. In addition, I did look in my bios to see if the motherboard supported Bifurcation and it does. The question comes to this Vroc do I need the upgraded chip to run those M.2's in raid 0 or can I do that without the upgrade chip. Moreover, as for my pcie expansion slots I'm running 2 2080 Ti's in sli mode and a capture card, and sound card. I know I'm going to have to remove the captrue and/or sound card to put in the asus pcie ssd card, but how will this effect the sli gpu setup. Lastly, before anyone asks this setup is custom water-cooled.
 
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USAFRet said:
  1. Future proofing storage devices is a fail. Price per GB almost always goes down over time.
  2. RAID 0? hahahahahaha...breathe......hahahahaha - WHY?
Seriously...Why?
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considering they are 2Tb M.2's and I'm gong to be merging them together for 8tb in total minus the formatting, the raid 0 will speed things up a bit and as for backing up I'll back the contents to a mechanical. and as for the Future proofing storage devices, I'm planning on building a new pc in the next 2 to 3 years, I'm skipping the 30 series gpu's and going for the 40 series about 6 months to a year after they are announced if they are findable at msrp that is. and I will have the drives needed for that said system, more or less cheaper on my wallet.
 
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Nevertheless, The question comes to this Vroc do I need the upgraded chip to run those M.2's in raid 0 or can I do that without the upgrade chip. and how will this splitting of the pcie lanes effect the sli setup.
 
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2TB M.2 drives will certainly be less expensive per GB 2 years from now.

4x 2TB in a RAID 0?
This gains you zero performance benefit outside artificial benchmarks.
The only real way you might see a benefit is if transferring large blocks of sequential data between 2 such arrays.

Other than that, the only thing you gain is fail potential, complexity, and bragging rights among your clueless friends.
Seriously.
 
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USAFRet said:
2TB M.2 drives will certainly be less expensive per GB 2 years from now.

4x 2TB in a RAID 0?
This gains you zero performance benefit outside artificial benchmarks.
The only real way you might see a benefit is if transferring large blocks of sequential data between 2 such arrays.

Other than that, the only thing you gain is fail potential, complexity, and bragging rights among your clueless friends.
Seriously.
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I'm not a bragger, but I do tend to movie large files at times, but the other reason for raid 0 is I think thats what the pcie card supports natively, and I know that the Motherboard only supports Raid 1,5,10 with the vroc upgrade chip. but I'm wondering if this will apply to the card as well. The motherboad maual and website is unclear on this.
 
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HaizRail007 said:
I'm not a bragger, but I do tend to movie large files at times, but the other reason for raid 0 is I think thats what the pcie card supports natively, and I know that the Motherboard only supports Raid 1,5,10 with the vroc upgrade chip. but I'm wondering if this will apply to the card as well. The motherboad maual and website is unclear on this.
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"Move files"

As said, only if moving between 2 like arrays.
Even then, maybe not.

The fact that the card or motherboard may support it is irrelevant.
 
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ex_bubblehead said:
What are you going to do when your RAID 0 (which isn't really RAID) array pops a single drive? There is NO recovery from that.
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Nevertheless, The question comes to this Vroc do I need the upgraded chip to run those M.2's in raid 0 from the pcie card or can I do that without the upgrade chip. and how will this splitting of the pcie lanes effect the sli setup.

meaning the motherboard supports raid 1,5,10 with the vroc upgrade module, but will I need that module for the pcie card to fully function?

Also, I know there are risks, and I'd rather run a jbod setup, but I don't think the pcie card will support it.
 
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HaizRail007 said:
Nevertheless, The question comes to this Vroc do I need the upgraded chip to run those M.2's in raid 0 from the pcie card or can I do that without the upgrade chip. and how will this splitting of the pcie lanes effect the sli setup.

meaning the motherboard supports raid 1,5,10 with the vroc upgrade module, but will I need that module for the pcie card to fully function?

Also, I know there are risks, and I'd rather run a jbod setup, but I don't think the pcie card will support it.
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I had to do some digging on asus website but it seems I would need the vroc module to enable raid support with the pcie card and motherboard. However, it's still unclear on what raid setups it supports, weather it may be 0,1,5,10, and 0 and 1. also, I've noticed multiple different style vroc modules so which on would I need for the asrock x299 killer sli/ac

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/...rd/E16246_HYPER_M.2_X16_GEN_4_Card_UM_WEB.pdf
 
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USAFRet said:
None of that comes even a little bit close to a RAID 0, with any type drives.
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don't get me wrong, I get why raid would have it's risk's and it's benefits, regardless, weather or not I wind up using raid 0, 1,5, or 1 and/or 0, known as 10, will be up to me in a scenario where I think it would benefit me. according to the asus quick start guide I will need to buy a vroc module to enable raid with that card. but the verdict is still out on if the card it's supports 1,5, 1 and/or 0 known as 10. I did find out I can run it without the vroc module as a JBOD. Moreover, that will defeat the purpose of most of the pcie cards functionality. and besides a raid system will speed up transfers from one system to another, which I already have raided there mechanical drives and on trunas, so I didn't need the vroc etc.[/QUOTE]
 
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USAFRet said:
Its not just 'risk'.
It is extra complexity and risk for no real benefit.

But to your question - I do not know if or how that card works with a RAID 0 and your motherboard.
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Thank you for your honesty, before posting the question, I was under the impression that it only worked with raid zero and nothing else. However after digging on the asus website I've learned that it will support JBOD. Nevertheless, the infomtion is lackluster on the raid setup's the card supports, out side of zero which I had to watch a youtube video to find out it supports raid zero out the box which isn't listed nowhere. and according to asus quick start I need vroc module to enable raid to begin with. so it's frustrating to say the least. Now I'm left with what vroc module does my board support, and theirs no info about that so I had to contact there support. why don't company's just list all the spec's.
 
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USAFRet said:
Absent a specific reason, I wouldn't even JBOD.

4 individual drives and drive letters.
Windows and applications have gotten really good at managing that.
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true I will say that windows has gotten better, but it can be a real pain looking though a bunch of drives when trying to find something, search is good but still come up empty from time to time. the real problem with any raid or jbod is you can't monitor individual drives health, unless your running software such as, stable bit drive pool, which will allow you to do just that.
 
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Okay, I haven't heard nothing from asus, but asrock did respond back to me and confirmed that a vroc was needed to enable raid 1,5, 10 on that motherboard. I also, learned that the pcie card will not support raid unless the vroc module is installed. However, it will function as a normal card after splitting the lanes, so I will be able to use all 4 nvme drives and I will then be able to go into windows and setup a JBOD array. Moreover, I can use stable bit drive pool to create a pool in windows and allow monitoring of those 4 drives after merging into one. The limitation with windows, USARET thank you for the help.

Also, here's the link Asrock sent me for the vroc module for asrock x299 killer sli/ac motherboard. If anyone in is interested. I'm was shocked on the price of it and won't be buying it.

https://www.vectormicro.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=206
 
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