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Jason H. said:
minimum recommended meaning can handle overclocks and still have some headroom. sure could he run 480w with overclocks or more possible upgrades in the future on a 500w quality psu, suuurrreee why not?

Would it be recommended to do so due to performance curve and HEAT?, never.

I would rather have a 550-600w bronze cert psu, than a 500w silver if I wanted to have headroom for other things. BUT thats just me lol.
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I don't think Nvidia would be taking into account overclocks in their PSU recommendations honestly. Overclocking is traditionally a thing chip manufacturers don't condone, and it's usually the partners, like ASUS, EVGA, Gigabyte, who do slightly condone them.

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extreme_noob said:
500W is plenty for a 1660/Super. 1070 Ti would work, but it's more of a stretch. 500W can run basically anything fine up until the 2070 basically, as long as you don't have some insane power draw CPU, like a threadripper.
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Well, its definitely a cheap power supply if it just comes with a four-pin connector. I have a $50 500 watt power supply and it has an 8 pin power connector unless he misplaced the other one. Not many graphic cards have just one four-pin. Certainly, the 1070 Ti wouldn't work. Heck, even a 1660 wouldn't work... https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-...re=1660-_-14-137-400-_-Product&quicklink=true
 
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extreme_noob said:
500W is plenty for a 1660/Super. 1070 Ti would work, but it's more of a stretch. 500W can run basically anything fine up until the 2070 basically, as long as you don't have some insane power draw CPU, like a threadripper.
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No, the 2060 with say a r5 2600 recommends a 550w psu minimum. Have to account into the performance curve of the PSU and take into account any possible overclocks or boosted clocks the new hardware would come with. So 500w is not ideal for anything up to the 2070.

IMO he needs a new PSU before thinking about upgrading anything else. 550w minimum to future proof any upgrades within the 2060/2600 spec range.
 
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Jason H. said:
No, the 2060 with say a r5 2600 recommends a 550w psu minimum. Have to account into the performance curve of the PSU and take into account any possible overclocks or boosted clocks the new hardware would come with. So 500w is not ideal for anything up to the 2070.

IMO he needs a new PSU before thinking about upgrading anything else. 550w minimum to future proof any upgrades within the 2060/2600 spec range.
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Recommended, but not needed. An R5 2600 only draws up to 120W, and the 2060/2070 draw less than 300W. 420W total, plus maybe 20W for periferals. But certainly risky to do it with a low quality unit, which may worsen voltage regulation at high loads. Then again a 1660 would draw much less, if OP goes that route.

And if the PSU doesn't come with PCIe power connectors, OP definitely needs an upgrade. Otherwise, it should do fine with a 1660/Super.
 
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extreme_noob said:
Recommended, but not needed. An R5 2600 only draws up to 120W, and the 2060/2070 draw less than 300W. 420W total, plus maybe 20W for periferals. But certainly risky to do it with a low quality unit, which may worsen voltage regulation at high loads. Then again a 1660 would draw much less, if OP goes that route.

And if the PSU doesn't come with PCIe power connectors, OP definitely needs an upgrade. Otherwise, it should do fine with a 1660/Super.
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Im a firm believer in the performance curve of a psu.

If hes pushing over 80% usage of the psu it will be over its performance curve and could cause some issues in performance down the line. And again u have to take into account any possible overclocks that may come into play out of the box or by the op in the future. Which is why 550w is the minimum recommended for something like the 2060/2070 along with a 2600-3800x.
 
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Jason H. said:
Im a firm believer in the performance curve of a psu.

If hes pushing over 80% usage of the psu it will be over its performance curve and could cause some issues in performance down the line. Which is why 550w is the minimum recommended for something like the 2060/2070 along with a 2600-3800x.
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I do agree with this, but the "performance curve" only really affects low quality units (which I assume this one is). A high quality 500W unit would handle a 2600 + 2070 just fine. A low quality unit which has horrendous UVP or something (Looking at you, S12II) could potentially kill those components. But for wattage, 550W is definitely not a minimum.
 
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extreme_noob said:
I do agree with this, but the "performance curve" only really affects low quality units (which I assume this one is). A high quality 500W unit would handle a 2600 + 2070 just fine. A low quality unit which has horrendous UVP or something (Looking at you, S12II) could potentially kill those components. But for wattage, 550W is definitely not a minimum.
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minimum recommended meaning can handle overclocks and still have some headroom. sure could he run 480w with overclocks or more possible upgrades in the future on a 500w quality psu, suuurrreee why not?

Would it be recommended to do so due to performance curve and HEAT?, never.

I would rather have a 550-600w bronze cert psu, than a 500w silver if I wanted to have headroom for other things. BUT thats just me lol.
 
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Jason H. said:
minimum recommended meaning can handle overclocks and still have some headroom. sure could he run 480w with overclocks or more possible upgrades in the future on a 500w quality psu, suuurrreee why not?

Would it be recommended to do so due to performance curve and HEAT?, never.

I would rather have a 550-600w bronze cert psu, than a 500w silver if I wanted to have headroom for other things. BUT thats just me lol.
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I don't think Nvidia would be taking into account overclocks in their PSU recommendations honestly. Overclocking is traditionally a thing chip manufacturers don't condone, and it's usually the partners, like ASUS, EVGA, Gigabyte, who do slightly condone them.

Heat is not a major factor in performance degradation of a decent unit, as I mentioned previously. You can check basically any JonnyGuru review on a decent unit for this. The TXM for example, which is a good unit, but by no means amazing, has the same voltage regulation across the board in load testing: https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2017/08/07/corsair-tx750m-2017-750w-power-supply/

How about a cheaper unit like CX? Nope, no difference in voltage regulation: https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2016/09/12/corsair-cx750m-v2-power-supply/

Just to assure that I am not favoring Corsair (although they do sell pretty good PSUs), here's a not-great-but-still-good evga unit, the G1+: https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2018/07/30/evga-supernova-750-g1-750w-power-supply/ Same voltage regulation across the board. Same thing with bequiet: https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2014/10/29/be-quiet-straight-power-10-800w-power-supply/

Now, obviously if it's a really terrible unit, it may degrade in voltage regulation, but you have to stoop pretty low for that.

Even BQ, a pretty bad EVGA unit, has pretty much unnoticeable drop in voltage: https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2016/10/03/evga-750-bq-750w-power-supply/

And 80+ ratings are not a quality rating. They are for efficiency only. There are some crap 80+ Gold units which I would take an 80+ Bronze Corsair CX over any day, such as the Seasonic S12II or EVGA GD. And more wattage is not better for quality. I'd rather have a better low wattage unit than a bad high wattage unit. Because the heat load won't affect either too much anyways.
 
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