Surprise Industry Fact: ARM's Biggest Customer is Intel

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zak_mckraken

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I don't usually complain about this, but please proof-read your articles. Sentences like "[...] especially since we now know at least one specific ARM chip that Intel is manufacturing ARM cores in its fabs." gives me a headache.
 

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Unsurprising, I knew it. It is a well known fact that deep inside every modern x86 CPU is a RISC CPU. So I bet these are many tiny little ARM cores that make these Intel Core processors :D
 

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Intel has licensed ARM tech for a long time. Remember the Intel StrongARM processor? I'm not surprised they still have an agreement in place either. Coop-a-tition is pretty much the norm these days.
 

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im betting its related to some form of technology patent being used in the processors.. unless were talking amd making arm related products along win intel .. apple has the A5 but if i remember correctly they bought out an arm related company a while back..
 

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That wasn't hard to figure out. They make network processors, and their I/O hubs likely use real small(and real old) ARM chips. It's also likely in the future as Atom goes smaller they might move some of what they use as ARM to their own Atom chips.
 

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It's hardly surprising news.

An ARM micro-controller are at the core of practically every SATA II and SATA III interface. Ethernet controllers also require an ARM micro-controller. Both are things Intel produce, so naturally they have to pay license fees.

No PCs can be made without minimum 2 ARM chips inside, and usually there are many more.
 

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I think many of you just don't get it. Intel used to make ARM processors: StrongARM and then Xscale. Afterwards, they kept the licensing because of one thing: patent protection. By maintaining licensing with ARM, they were also protected by any kind of patent dispute arising from ARM or its other customers. If ARM produced some new feature in their processor, they couldn't sue Intel for patent reasons if Intel copied it because ARM customers get patent indemnity as long as they continue to pay for licensing fees to use ARM technology. I actually wouldn't be surprised if ARM was also paying Intel for a similar license fee for x86 just so Intel couldn't sue them for some new instruction set patent for SSE or something like that. ARM likely already pays for patent licensing for their graphics design because they would need MPEG licensing through Fraunhofer to cover H.264 acceleration, as well as VC-1 licensing from Microsoft's patent house (VC-1 is part of the Blu-ray spec too).

These types of contracts are common when you're talking about well-protected engineering and manufacturing secrets.
 

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[citation][nom]waethorn[/nom]I think many of you just don't get it. Intel used to make ARM processors: StrongARM and then Xscale. Afterwards, they kept the licensing because of one thing: patent protection. By maintaining licensing with ARM, they were also protected by any kind of patent dispute arising from ARM or its other customers. If ARM produced some new feature in their processor, they couldn't sue Intel for patent reasons if Intel copied it because ARM customers get patent indemnity as long as they continue to pay for licensing fees to use ARM technology. I actually wouldn't be surprised if ARM was also paying Intel for a similar license fee for x86 just so Intel couldn't sue them for some new instruction set patent for SSE or something like that. ARM likely already pays for patent licensing for their graphics design because they would need MPEG licensing through Fraunhofer to cover H.264 acceleration, as well as VC-1 licensing from Microsoft's patent house (VC-1 is part of the Blu-ray spec too).These types of contracts are common when you're talking about well-protected engineering and manufacturing secrets.[/citation]

Forget reading the article.... Just know....

http://www.netronome.com/pages/flow-processors
 
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Thanks waethron... great information. I remember Intel being ARM's biggest customer by far years ago and heard they produced more ARM chips than anybody. They got StrongARM from DEC when they bought out DEC's hardware guys and then moved that onto xScale. They even dropped their i960/i860 lines of RISC CPUs.
 

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Kind of like the relationship between Samsung and apple, apple is one of sammy's biggest customers, also their probably the biggest rival in the mobile phone business.
 

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[citation][nom]zingam_duo[/nom]Unsurprising, I knew it. It is a well known fact that deep inside every modern x86 CPU is a RISC CPU. So I bet these are many tiny little ARM cores that make these Intel Core processors[/citation]

Not sure if trolling or....
 

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This report is not only old, it is also wrong. Nomura's Jan 6 report made this nonsensical claim, and they published a revised report on Jan 13 not even listing Intel as a customer. Three companies made up at least 10% of ARM revenue, as ARM itself says, and the Nomura report did not even say who those customers are (though you can probably guess).

Tom's: a little bit of fact checking goes a long way--publishing it 5 months after a revision is just embarassing. Please update the article and whatever else you have to do to un-mislead people.
 
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