Question Swiftech AIO vs Custom Loop

jm1

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I recently bought a Swiftech Drive X3 H360 to cool an i9-9900K. It's not doing the job well, so I have to look for better performing alternatives. I still have the parts from the custom loop I ran on my previous CPU, but before I go to the trouble of ripping the Swiftech out and reverting to a custom loop, I'd like to know what to expect. Would you expect that the custom loop would be a significant upgrade, and if so can you guestimate how much?

Thanks, all feedback welcome

Parts in the proposed loop:

EK Velocity RGB CPU block
EK D5 pump/resevoir combo
EK PE360 radiator
Tubing and coolant TBD
 

rubix_1011

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Swiftech makes some great stuff, including their expandable 'AIOs' that are essentially built out of custom loop hardware (rads, pumps, blocks, fittings). So, you have almost what amounts to a custom loop already.

I have to admit, seems like something is not quite right - what are your ambient room temps?

What are your idle temps (after 10+ minutes of idle following startup)?

Assuming you play games or use as a workstation, what are temps under normal usage?

Is the issue 'only' around temps being seen when you are running a synthetic benchmark?

Is the CPU overclocked? If so, what do you have setup?

What case do you have components installed in? Have you considered checking airflow? (See below)

9900k is known for being rather hot, so depending on most of the items above, it could be due to more than any 1 item.

Airflow / Fan / Cooling / Overheating - How to test, steps to resolve

This could be caused by a few different things, please don't automatically assume 'the cooler is not working' without also checking if the case airflow is sufficient.

Remove the side panel of the PC case. Orient a house fan (desk or box style fan) to blow air into the case, directly over components at the highest setting.

This will represent a case with the best possible airflow possible. For reference, the fans I am providing as examples would look like the items below (just to clarify for anyone who might want reference)

nI6vx5v.jpg
2GBempv.jpg


Re-test as you have normally done - play games, run benchmarks, etc. to get to where temperatures were normally seen to be higher than they should. Normal room temperature is usually between 20-24C or 68-75F. Please note that every air or liquid cooler operates as a product of delta-T over ambient, meaning that if the PC is operational (simply turned on), it is impossible for the CPU to display a temperature below ambient room temperatures. If it is, this is likely a bug in software temperature reporting either from the desktop UI or the BIOS reading it incorrectly.

With the fan running at full speed, if temperatures drop by 5-7C or more, case airflow is one major issue to contend with. You will need additional fans or better fans for your setup in order to optimize air in and out of the chassis. This might even require consideration for a new PC case or leaving the side panel partially open during sessions of heavier computing until these items are corrected.

If your temperatures remain relatively the same (difference less than 1-2C), then you likely have an issue with the cooler in question (if CPU is hot, CPU cooler, if GPU is hot, GPU cooler). It would be good to then approach the next steps by thoroughly cleaning the cooler with compressed or canned air and ensuring there are not large blockages in cooling fins or on fans, etc. This might require the cooling fans to be removed from the heatsink or radiator to ensure there is not a buildup of pet hair, dust or even carpet fibers which can trap additional debris. Please ensure the PC is turned off and unplugged during this process to prevent unwanted startup to keep fingers safe from fan blades or accidental shorting if you happen to drop a screw onto other components during fan removal.

Removal of the cooler and re-application of thermal paste & re-seating the cooler can also be beneficial once cleaning of the cooler is ruled out by retesting the steps above.
 

jm1

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Apr 14, 2018
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Swiftech makes some great stuff, including their expandable 'AIOs' that are essentially built out of custom loop hardware (rads, pumps, blocks, fittings). So, you have almost what amounts to a custom loop already.

I have to admit, seems like something is not quite right - what are your ambient room temps?

What are your idle temps (after 10+ minutes of idle following startup)?

Assuming you play games or use as a workstation, what are temps under normal usage?

Is the issue 'only' around temps being seen when you are running a synthetic benchmark?

Is the CPU overclocked? If so, what do you have setup?

What case do you have components installed in? Have you considered checking airflow? (See below)

9900k is known for being rather hot, so depending on most of the items above, it could be due to more than any 1 item.

Airflow / Fan / Cooling / Overheating - How to test, steps to resolve

This could be caused by a few different things, please don't automatically assume 'the cooler is not working' without also checking if the case airflow is sufficient.

Remove the side panel of the PC case. Orient a house fan (desk or box style fan) to blow air into the case, directly over components at the highest setting.

This will represent a case with the best possible airflow possible. For reference, the fans I am providing as examples would look like the items below (just to clarify for anyone who might want reference)

nI6vx5v.jpg
2GBempv.jpg


Re-test as you have normally done - play games, run benchmarks, etc. to get to where temperatures were normally seen to be higher than they should. Normal room temperature is usually between 20-24C or 68-75F. Please note that every air or liquid cooler operates as a product of delta-T over ambient, meaning that if the PC is operational (simply turned on), it is impossible for the CPU to display a temperature below ambient room temperatures. If it is, this is likely a bug in software temperature reporting either from the desktop UI or the BIOS reading it incorrectly.

With the fan running at full speed, if temperatures drop by 5-7C or more, case airflow is one major issue to contend with. You will need additional fans or better fans for your setup in order to optimize air in and out of the chassis. This might even require consideration for a new PC case or leaving the side panel partially open during sessions of heavier computing until these items are corrected.

If your temperatures remain relatively the same (difference less than 1-2C), then you likely have an issue with the cooler in question (if CPU is hot, CPU cooler, if GPU is hot, GPU cooler). It would be good to then approach the next steps by thoroughly cleaning the cooler with compressed or canned air and ensuring there are not large blockages in cooling fins or on fans, etc. This might require the cooling fans to be removed from the heatsink or radiator to ensure there is not a buildup of pet hair, dust or even carpet fibers which can trap additional debris. Please ensure the PC is turned off and unplugged during this process to prevent unwanted startup to keep fingers safe from fan blades or accidental shorting if you happen to drop a screw onto other components during fan removal.

Removal of the cooler and re-application of thermal paste & re-seating the cooler can also be beneficial once cleaning of the cooler is ruled out by retesting the steps above.
Thanks for replying, I have got this sorted and it was my mistake, turns out the thumbscrews should be tightened down with a screwdriver. The other blocks I've installed usually specify "finger tight" and I've seen specific warnings against using tools, but I guess you live and learn.

Thanks again!