System Builder Marathon, May '09: $600 Gaming PC

[Guest]

You've already seen our $2,500 and $1,300 Core i7-based builds. Now we're going to try to put together a miniaturized gaming system on a $600 budget (which is no easy feat). Remember that this system, like the other two, will be given away.

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[doomtomb]

You still manage to fit this PC with a GTX series at such a low price point. Props for that.

 

[IzzyCraft]

Yeah while you generally can find a 4890 10 dollars cheaper then a GTX275 the reverse is true when it comes to a 4870 and GTX260.

Interesting i would have thought you would have went with a kuma due to limited oc ability in a cramped "gaming box", although you did make the oc worth while.

I understand the rest of the build; though the case looks more like a media box then a gaming box those cramped boxes amaze and worry me as even my htpc is very well cooled and silent due to being very low heat as in not a oced cpu and a power hungry gpu.

 

[IronRyan21]

Im sad, I was hoping for at least one AMD cpu in the May SBM series.

 

[IzzyCraft]

62 dollar mobo hard to argue with that cpu+mobo coming out to be 62+70=$132 and, getting that much oc off the stock cooler.

 

[dirtmountain]

What a shame.

 

[cinergy]

[citation][nom]IronRyan21[/nom]Im sad, I was hoping for at least one AMD cpu in the May SBM series.[/citation]

Green eyed Tom gives no mercy for DAAMIT.

 

[cangelini]

Wow, no love for a solid build. Nicely done, Paul.

 

[erdinger]

dissapointed also just needed to see an Amd system.

 

[dirtmountain]

It is a lovely build, but the all around performance would be better with a Phenom2 x3 720, something that was achievable at the typical $625- $650 budget build price tag. If you look at the last 4 budget builds you get a E5200, E5300, E7300 and now yet another E5200. Give us a break, is the next one going to feature the E6300, then another E5200? As for the enthusiast, we get an i7, then a core2 duo, then a core2 quad, now another i7. Is it all around performance? or gaming performance? or just Intel performance? How can any reader know how the AMDs will stand up in these marathons if they never get the chance? With the new quarterly offering of the SBM it will be 3 months before another series comes out, just in time to see yet another i7, i5 and the E6300 builds. It's not as if the people waiting and wanting to see an AMD build are any surprise to Toms SBM or that they're disappointed to see AMD excluded once again. I'm disappointed myself even though Pauls build is a really nice one.

 

[sandoness]

Gah.. wouldn't it be smart to get a more powerful cpu?

even with the overclocking power of this one?

I was originally gonna get a q9550 !?

:/

 

[justjc]

The explanation we have heard earlier, for he use of only Intel CPUs, is that Tom's Hardware base their builds on what hardware they have available. Why they don't have the money for a single Phenom II in their budget I don't know.

The reason could offcause be that Intel gives a hefty rebate/will only deliver free chips, if AMD is left out of the builds, after all they have a history of such dealings (see rulings from the EU, Japan and South Korea)

Perhaps we should start a collection and buy Tom's Hardware a couple of Phenom IIs, at least that would show if availability, of AMD CPUs, is the issue.

 

[presidenteody]

well, I hope Intel hasn't purchased tom's hardware yet.

 

[manitoublack]

Next SBM all the same price points, but 2 systems at each price-point. 1 AMD the other Intel. Settle it once and for all I know Tom's has spare cash. I'd guess you'd need to use the same graphics cards at each price-point, for a fair comparison.

Another odd point is that after giving major props to the R770 in X-Fire for it's great value, to see that solution missing in a value shootout. That said space and X-fire compatibility was obviously an issue.

Another great build, and look forward to seeing Junes take on value.

 

[cangelini]

[citation][nom]justjc[/nom]The explanation we have heard earlier, for he use of only Intel CPUs, is that Tom's Hardware base their builds on what hardware they have available. Why they don't have the money for a single Phenom II in their budget I don't know. The reason could offcause be that Intel gives a hefty rebate/will only deliver free chips, if AMD is left out of the builds, after all they have a history of such dealings (see rulings from the EU, Japan and South Korea)Perhaps we should start a collection and buy Tom's Hardware a couple of Phenom IIs, at least that would show if availability, of AMD CPUs, is the issue.[/citation]

The way this works is simple. We cooperate with Newegg to make each System Builder Marathon happen. We have a budget and buy all of the hardware in each of these straight from Newegg. Most of the time, the configurations are selected based on feedback from the forums. We have something coming up next week for the folks who'd like to see some more AMD overclocking. But for this series, the Intel processors and Nvidia cards made the most sense given our respective price points.

 

[anamaniac]

Nice build.

Micro-ATX for the win!

A full size tower just wouldn't work for me. I have my cramped micro in a situation were it's already too big.
Though I may go for a full-atx, and get a 10 foot mouse/keyboard/DVI/speaker cables, and throw it in my closet.

I'd like to see the cheapest gaming computer you cuold do and the performance though.
Say, a AMD 5050e (for lower power consumption than kuma), micro atx, 4770 (over 4830 for power consumption), 250GB hdd etc.
See how much muscle it has, how much power it uses, and how quiet you can make it. (extreme budget water cooling guide maybe?)
I know I'd be interested in the results of that build, because rent is just too much.


Thanks Toms.

 

[kelfen]

what about the 4770 for the win?

 

[cangelini]

Because these systems come from actual retail orders, we rely on hardware being available in order for it to appear here. The 4770 is not a good candidate.

 

[Proximon]

The best build of the bunch. That's a whole lot of value for 600 bucks.
The only nit I have to pick is that the OCZ 550W is untested and possibly an inferior PSU, even for OCZ. It's larger sibling is decent, but it's clearly built by a different OEM. I doubt it's a BAD PSU though. Not like the junk a certain other site allows in their builds.

 

[obarthelemy]

On the $600 system, do you feel the performance is limited by the CPU, or by the vidcard ? I'm looking into getting a new PC, for around $800-900, and I was wondering if I should put a bit more money in the vidcard or the cpu (I'm getting bigger HD's for sure).

 

[Sihastru]

I know it's not in the budget, but for a build like this, I would go with the Silverstone SG-05 (with the bundled SFX PSU, very few choices there), Zotac 9300 mini-ITX WiFi, and keep the rest of the components with maybe the exception of the HDD where I only have eyes for the 640GB Western Digitals (Blue or Black, no green nonsense for me)...

Now that would be impressively small and yet powerful.

 

[JohnMD1022]

Another piece of junk Seagate drive. At one point last year I had 9 dead Seagates in my shop at the same time.

I just sent 2 back for warranty replacement and one of the 'new' ones was DOA.

I swore off Seagate when a brand new drive was DOA and they tried to replace it with a refurb of different capacity.

What good is a 5 year warranty when the replacement is the same junk as the one that failed?

 

[zehpavora]

I think this only proves that modern GPUs need better CPUs. The Dual Core days are over, my friends.

 

[DjEaZy]

... in this part of the world AsRock is a swearword, because of the poor quality... ... and pchip too... and... where is Radeons??? Common!!! ...some Phenom's??? Common!!! WTF!?!?! Ok... intel is now desperate... they need the cash to pay the 'EU bill'... and even when AMD/ATI is not so good at price/performance point, than show it to us... please?!

 

[Guest]

i thought the E5200 was a pentium dual core, not a core 2 duo ... kind of misleading ...