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Seriously, what can you do with her? At a capacity of 8 she represents
a major investment, but her Primogen title does not allow her to take
part in meaty Camarilla cards, and her special ability is worthless
(not as bad as Selma the Repugnant, but bad). What's worse, the fact
that she DOES have a title makes her a poor anarch.

Then there's her discipline spread- how exactly does one use it. POT
CEL is nice, but PRE dom? I think that if she had for instead of dom
she would rock, because she could use Forced March and then she could
utilize her various disciplines and be more fearsome in combat to boot,
but with inferior dominate and Presence what does one do? The problem
is that she falls at the border of two different deck styles: the
combat style which will not make much use of her PRE dom and the
non-combat style which will have little use for POT CEL.

So, what exactly does one do with Tura Vaughn other than admire the
artwork?
 
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She does fit in nice with a group 1/2 Euro Brujah deck. Brujah with
Dominate... You might put her in instead of Don Cruz but he is a
Justicar. She is also handy if you know other Brujah are at the table.
In my opion, she would fit in fine with an anathema/bounce deck.

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> So, what exactly does one do with Tura Vaughn other than admire the
> artwork?

Option one - Old's Cool Bruhah

Tura, Don Cruez & Anvil plus the EuroBruhaj princes - dom all round
fill out the crypt Volker and other solid midcaps

Play it as a "standard" Bruhaj royalty deck - presence bleed, pot/cel
combat and 2nd trad intercept, plus a few deflections to flick any
bleeds that you cannot block. As an occasional surprise, Majesty your
way out of a combat and use Iron Glare to push an important vote
through.

Option two - Horde of Cheese

Crypt (all 8 capacity with PRE dom)
CEL POT PRE dom Tura Vaughn Bru Primogen +1 intercept vs. Bru
CEL aus PRE dom Anson, Tor prince 2 MPA's (5 copies)
CEL AUS PRE dom Lachlan, Noddist !Tor Archbishop
SER AUS PRE dom Makarios, the Seducer Tor +1 bleed, thingy

4 good Ventrue - eg. Ranjan and the 3 group 1 princes.

Library:
Ton's of Zillah's Valley, 1 or 2 Dreams, Info Highway and Effective
Management. Dom and For skill cards. 2 Golconda. 2 Hostile Takeover.

Govern / Enchant Kindred
Seduction, Bonding, Freak Drive, Forced March
Majesty / Skin o Steel
Some votes

Strategy: pull out Anson, give him For and Dom. Govern, Forced March
and Enchant Kindred. Pull out Tura. Give her For and Dom. Repeat. Work
Anson the hardest, burning blood on Freak Drive and Majesty, then
explode him with Golconda and get a new one.

When you are ready, overwhelm your prey with (essentially) a Ventrue
swarm: Master-phase bleed (Hostile Takeover) followed by bleeds with
Seduction / Bonding stealth. Majesty and call a vote if blocked.
 
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Preston wrote:
> Seriously, what can you do with her?

Almost nothing you can't do with the three Euro-Brujah better.

PRE = vote push, but that's about it. Yes, I noticed she distracted you
into forgetting the "N" at the end of her name. ;)

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"Preston" <prestonpoulter@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<1113282728.926714.261110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>...
> Seriously, what can you do with her? At a capacity of 8 she represents
> a major investment, but her Primogen title does not allow her to take
> part in meaty Camarilla cards, and her special ability is worthless
> (not as bad as Selma the Repugnant, but bad). What's worse, the fact
> that she DOES have a title makes her a poor anarch.
>
> Then there's her discipline spread- how exactly does one use it. POT
> CEL is nice, but PRE dom? I think that if she had for instead of dom
> she would rock, because she could use Forced March and then she could
> utilize her various disciplines and be more fearsome in combat to boot,
> but with inferior dominate and Presence what does one do? The problem
> is that she falls at the border of two different deck styles: the
> combat style which will not make much use of her PRE dom and the
> non-combat style which will have little use for POT CEL.
>
> So, what exactly does one do with Tura Vaughn other than admire the
> artwork?

Here's what i did with her in the Old Nights. It worked quite well, at
least in casual play.

DECK NAME: "Breast or Thigh, Sir?"
CREATED BY: Legbiter
CONCEPT: Brujah-with-dominate ["EuroBrujah"] Happy Families
deck [ie built by mathematically-regulating the proportions
of cards of different disciplines according to the crypt one
has chosen, it's all explained under Happy Families at
legbiter.tripod.com], constructed on the base of the CE
Brujah starter which my mother gave me for Christmas,
augmented with cards that were lying around waiting to be
filed. Heavy dominate-bleed, deflect, ranged combat with
multi-strikes. Probably needs to lose the blurs for more
Pursuit, needs to lose a few masters for Tastes of Vitae or
something, but actually is quite functional as it stands.

CRYPT [12 cards]
Anvil x 2
Constanza Vinti x 2
Don Cruez, the Idealist x 2
Donal O'Connor x 2
Theo Bell x 2
Tura Vaughn x 2


LIBRARY [90 cards]

MASTERS [18 cards]
Blood Doll
Celerity
Dominate
Fame [should probably be Flurry of Action now]
Golconda
Haven Uncovered
KRCG News radio
Legendary Vampire
Minion Tap x 6
Warzone HG
Zillah's Valley x 3


MINION [72 cards]

ACTIONS [10 cards]
Blood Hunt
Bum's Rush x 3 [1-2 should probably be Flurry of Action now]
Govern the Unaligned x 5 [replace by 2 Flurry of Action and 3
Conditioning]
Rampage

POLITICS [3 cards]
Anathema
Kindred Restructure x 2 [obviously would lose these now, maybe 2 KRC's
or Flurry of Action + KRC instead]

ACTION MODIFIERS [4 cards]
Command of the Beast
Conditioning
Foreshadowing Destruction x 2

COMBAT [41 cards]
Blur x 4
Flash x 9
Lightning Reflexes
Pursuit x 4
Taste of Vitae x 2
Thoughts Betrayed x 4
Thrown Gate x 8
Thrown Sewer Lid x 9

EQUIPMENT [3 cards]
..44 Magnum
Flak Jacket
Leather Jacket

REACTIONS [11 cards]
Deflection x 2
Redirection x 3
Second Tradition x 2
WWEF x 4
 
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legbiter wrote:
> "Preston" <prestonpoulter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<1113282728.926714.261110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>...
> > I think that if she had for instead of dom
> > she would rock, because she could use Forced March and then she
could
> > utilize her various disciplines and be more fearsome in combat to
boot,
> > but with inferior dominate and Presence what does one do?
> > So, what exactly does one do with Tura Vaughn other than admire the
> > artwork?
>
> Here's what i did with her in the Old Nights. It worked quite well,
at
> least in casual play.
>
> DECK NAME: "Breast or Thigh, Sir?"
> CREATED BY: Legbiter

*deck snipped*

Apparently Legbiter's answer is 'ignore her PRE entirely and use her as
a really inefficient Eurobrujah'. :p

Another answer is this:

Take a crypt consisting of:

2x Dodd (5, CEL dom pre)
2x Anvil (6, CEL dom pre POT tha) Primogen
2x Victoria Ash (6, aus cel dom PRE) Primogen
2x Theo Bell (7, cel dom POT pre)
2x Tura (8, CEL dom POT PRE) Primogen
2x Don Cruez (10, ani pro CEL dom POT PRE) Justicar

Play it as a very straightforward Brujah deck that's a little light on
the Potence - Celerity with guns, bruise and bleed, vote deck,
whatever. (If you want bigger voters, swap Victoria for Bronwen.) And
use the fact that everybody has dominate as your bleed defense and
bounce merrily away. Lots of people who want to play Presence-using
Brujah would be happy to be also able to bounce.



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John Flournoy wrote:
>
> Another answer is this:
>
> Play it as a very straightforward Brujah deck that's a little light
on
> the Potence - Celerity with guns, bruise and bleed, vote deck,
> whatever. (If you want bigger voters, swap Victoria for Bronwen.) And
> use the fact that everybody has dominate as your bleed defense and
> bounce merrily away. Lots of people who want to play Presence-using
> Brujah would be happy to be also able to bounce.
>
I think John's answer is best. I've seen many a Toreador deck with
Anson and Victoria Ash that used the dom strictly for bouncing. And
you don't even need *every* vamp to have dom.
 
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Hmm. This has given me some ideas. I like Flurry of Action in
combination with Iron Glare. What about a Kindred Least Wanted Deck
with all the Brujah nobody plays with. Something like this:

3x Crusher 9 Cap PRE POT CEL for Primogen, +1 Strength, May Dodge as
strike
3xMiranda Sanova aus CEL obf pot PRE Primogen
3xTura Vaughn CEL dom PRE POT Primogen
3xAnvil CEL POT dom pre tha Primogen

Throw in 4 Sanguine Instructions so that Miranda can learn superior POT
from everyone else, Crusher can teach his fortitude to others, etc.

Master Cards 13
2 Zillah's Valley
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
4 Minion Taps
1 Trophy: Domain
1 Al's Army Aparatus
1 Metro Underground
1 Fortitude
1 Information Highway

Political Actions 10
1 Snipe Hunt
1 Lextalionis
1 Year of Fortune
1 Parity Shift
1 Archon
4 Trumped-Up Charges
1 Domain Challenge

Actions 13
6 Flurry of Action
3 Will of the Council
4 Sanguine Instruction

Action Modifers 13
7 Iron Glare
3 Bewitching Oration
3 Voter Captivation

Combat 31
2 Immortal Grappels
5 Psyche
4 Sideslip
2 Skin of Steel
8 Pursuits
4 Disarm
4 Decapitate
1 Ritual of the Bitter Rose
1 Disguised Weapon (for Miranda)
Note: The idea here is to inflict just slightly more damage to the
other guy then disarm and decapitate him.

Equipment
1 Sengir Dagger

Reaction 9
2 WWEF
5 Redirection
2 Scapel Tongue

What da ya think, sirs?
 
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Howdy,

> 3x Crusher 9 Cap PRE POT CEL for Primogen, +1 Strength, May Dodge as
> strike
> 3xMiranda Sanova aus CEL obf pot PRE Primogen
> 3xTura Vaughn CEL dom PRE POT Primogen
> 3xAnvil CEL POT dom pre tha Primogen
>
> Throw in 4 Sanguine Instructions so that Miranda can learn superior
POT
> from everyone else, Crusher can teach his fortitude to others, etc.

Until you draw your single fortitude master, you only have two
disciplines that can be upgraded: Miranda's potence and Anvil's
presence.

Four Sanguine Instruction seems like a bit much - I think I'd just drop
them all (and the fortitude master) and work around those two.
Alternatively, just sticking two SI in strikes me as a better hedge
than your package.

Alex
 
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Crusher has fortitude and there are three of him in the deck. But, in
keeping with the theme, lets take out the Fortitude master and replace
one Anvil with one Appolonius. Now there are 4 vamps in the deck who
can teach fortitude.

Master Cards 13
2 Zillah's Valley
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
5 Minion Taps
1 Trophy: Domain
1 Al's Army Aparatus
1 Metro Underground
1 Information Highway

Political Actions 9
1 Snipe Hunt
1 Lextalionis
1 Year of Fortune
1 Archon
4 Trumped-Up Charges
1 Domain Challenge

Actions 11
6 Flurry of Action
1 Will of the Council
4 Sanguine Instruction

Action Modifers 18
7 Iron Glare
3 Bewitching Oration
4 Voter Captivation
4 Forced March
Combat 31
3 Studder Steps
5 Psyche
4 Sideslip
2 Skin of Steel
7 Pursuits
4 Disarm
4 Decapitate
1 Ritual of the Bitter Rose
1 Disguised Weapon (for Miranda)
Note: The idea here is to inflict just slightly more damage to the
other guy then disarm and decapitate him.

Equipment
1 Sengir Dagger

Reaction 7
5 Redirection
2 Scapel Tongue

How about now?
 
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Opps, just noticed you Sanguine Instruction requires you to have it at
Superior. DOH! Ok, yea, let's come back to 2 on those and add a Trophy:
Discipline.
 
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Now that I look at it, Gwendolyn needs to find her way in here. She's a
Kindred Least Wanted also and the Disciplines are right.
 
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Ok, how about this.

Crypt
3 Gwendolyn 11 Cap aus CEL FOR POT PRE tha IC Member (Slightly better
than Appolonius)
3 Crusher 9 Cap CEL for PRE POT Primogen Can dodge as a strike, +1
Strength
3 Tura Vaughn 8 Cap CEL dom POT PRE Primogen
3 Anvil 6 Cap dom CEL POT pre tha Primogen

Master
Master Cards 14
3 Zillah's Valley
3 Dreams of the Sphinx
5 Minion Taps
1 Trophy: Domain
1 Metro Underground
1 Information Highway

Political Actions 11
1 Snipe Hunt
1 Lextalionis
1 Year of Fortune
4 Trumped-Up Charges
1 Domain Challenge
1 Ancient Influence
1 Reins of Power
1 Political Stranglehold

Actions 11
6 Flurry of Action
1 Will of the Council
4 Sanguine Instruction

Action Modifiers 20
8 Forced March
8 Iron Glare
4 Voter Caps

Combat 28
3 Studder Steps
5 Psyche
3 Skin of Steel
7 Pursuits
4 Disarm
4 Decapitate
2 Ritual of the Bitter Rose

Reaction
4 Deflection
2 Scalpel Tongue
 
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"Preston" <prestonpoulter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hmm. This has given me some ideas. I like Flurry of Action in
> combination with Iron Glare. What about a Kindred Least Wanted Deck
> with all the Brujah nobody plays with. Something like this:
>
> 3x Crusher 9 Cap PRE POT CEL for Primogen, +1 Strength, May Dodge as
> strike
> 3xMiranda Sanova aus CEL obf pot PRE Primogen
> 3xTura Vaughn CEL dom PRE POT Primogen
> 3xAnvil CEL POT dom pre tha Primogen

HA! Appolonius didn't even make this deck.
 
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>
> So, what exactly does one do with Tura Vaughn other than admire the
> artwork?
>

I guess she votes: Iron Glare, Bewitching Oration, Scapel Tongue, Voter
Captivation.

At least she can team up with Rake and he is a nice low cap prince.

It may be goofy but her primogen title can be used for some tricks

Of Noble Blood: Make other people's IC members primogens
Will of the Council: A way to contest your preys Prince title

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erm I just had a closer look at Of Noble Blood. I guess that is a rather
bad card as it can only target vampires with no title...

Poor Tura
 
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"FC" <fc@kemi.dtu.dk> wrote in message
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> Poor Tura

Well, she still has those....things.
 
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FC a écrit :
>>
>> So, what exactly does one do with Tura Vaughn other than admire the
>> artwork?
>>
>
> I guess she votes: Iron Glare, Bewitching Oration, Scapel Tongue, Voter
> Captivation.
>
> At least she can team up with Rake and he is a nice low cap prince.
>
> It may be goofy but her primogen title can be used for some tricks
>
> Of Noble Blood: Make other people's IC members primogens
> Will of the Council: A way to contest your preys Prince title

Will of the council is the way to go.
she can steal your target's princey titles.
she can play prince cards in a pinch (like 2nd trad or parity when most
needed)and can gain a vote by burning a blood.
this makes her a cool rival for constanza :)
 
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aham....

>and her special ability is worthless (not as bad as Selma the
Repugnant, but bad).

Are you refering to Selma's ability or Selma herself?

..- Luis Duarte
 
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Selma herself is fine. I have used her myself and had good results, but
her Special ability of gaining +1 Intercept via Nosferatu seems
god-awful. I mean, how often are you going to use that ability and, in
the once in a blue moon occasion comes along, how useful is it really
going to be against a deck with a ton of Obfuscate?
 
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So can buying the winning lottery ticket, but you don't see me playing.
 
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"Preston" <prestonpoulter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Selma herself is fine. I have used her myself and had good results, but
> her Special ability of gaining +1 Intercept via Nosferatu seems
> god-awful. I mean, how often are you going to use that ability and, in
> the once in a blue moon occasion comes along, how useful is it really
> going to be against a deck with a ton of Obfuscate?

It can make all the difference in the world.


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Yea, I haven't seen many Nosferatu period: casual or tournament.
Typically the flavor I see tends to be !Nosferatu because the potence
on Ox, Nigel, Aggatha, etc are better than their Camarilla
counterparts.
 
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"Preston" <prestonpoulter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> So can buying the winning lottery ticket, but you don't see me playing.

Any deck based upon Selma the Repugnant, Nossie Princes, or Nosferatu Wall,
signifigantly benifits from her special. I can't possibly understand why
you think that +1 intercept against the best stealthers in the game is bad.
When combined with 2nd tradition it turns into +3 stealth which will put a
serious dent into a stealth deck even if you don't catch them. They will
run out of stealth if you consistantly generate +3 intercept against their
minions.

By the way if your chances of winning the lottery were 5:1 then buying a
ticket is a pretty good idea. The odds of seeing another player playing
Nosferatu at a tournament is far better than 5:1. Around here it is
practically guaranteed.


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"Preston" <prestonpoulter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yea, I haven't seen many Nosferatu period: casual or tournament.
> Typically the flavor I see tends to be !Nosferatu because the potence
> on Ox, Nigel, Aggatha, etc are better than their Camarilla
> counterparts.

I see them all the time. Robyn Tatu won the Northeast Qualifier with a
Nossie Princes Deck recently, and I saw Nosferatu at every table I sat at
this past weekend prior to the finals at the South Central Qualifier . 1st
table was stealth bleed, Next table was Nosferatu something with Sammy but I
was ousted in 15 minutes (Grrr, Anarch Revolt sleaze with 1 cap politics and
Kalimaki Nightmares). The 3rd table was Derek Ray and his self-proclaimed
"Sleazemobile" which was weenie obfuscate.

For the most part here in the Swamp, if you see obfuscate then usually the
Nosferatu are close by.


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