Temporary Build and Final solution ideas please

[Jehan]

Good day Toms thanks to your previous ideas and help my first build was an success! but i could sell my almost 1 year old system for 80 % of the price.

So.. i did.. and wanted to use the budget to build a more future proof with Z97 but please need ideas and info about both builds.

The idea is to game to the max for best price / quality possible but what is needed ?

For psu i only want xfx or seasonic but xfx has the warranty and is bronze good enough or go gold an be sure the wattage is good used and need 550w or would 360w or 450w be enough ?

As mobo my first gigabyte experience was awesome so why not stick with it or try msi ? and i wonder if the mobo needs sli and crossfire cause my favored nvidia is the 750ti and for amd it's the 7850

About amd and nvidia are sli and crossfire worth it cause in holland we pay the premium price for electric i think.

So about intel k serie is oc worth the performance/wattage cause the xeon 1230v3 is alot cheaper than i7 and bit more than i5 but still performs great in single en multi core task including newer games.

About work memory and OS i dont download movies and music or games so maybe just get 250gb ssd for windows an games no hdd needed and is ddr3 1600mhz enough for now and later or get 16gb and maybe oc?

The cases of coolermaster storm scout2 and trooper look great and are tested and praised but does the trooper justify the price difference over the scout ?

Thanks and appreciation for the time to read my ramble and please share ideas and tips and info ^^ see U laters.


Woops forgotten the link for the builds so far..

http://tweakers.net/gallery/552287#tab:wenslijst

 

[jaraldo]

hehe took me a 2nd read in some places to understand what you are wanting but I got it now. 😛
So you only have the budget right now for that $450 computer, and then the other 2 are the upgrade paths you want for it.

I'll ask What is your budget as of now?

In reply to your questions:

Well, I can say that your temporary build will not be good for gaming, miserable even, if you can hold out until you have the funds to upgrade it then it's a great option though.

Gigabyte is great all around, I know the cheaper msi can be really bad for some reason, the more expensive ones are good though. So I'd stick with Gigabyte/Asus (it doesn't matter to much, just go by $)

SLI and Xfire are worth it if you can buy a good GPU now and then do dual cards later in hopes to get the performance of a newer single card. The longer you wait to SLI, the more powerful the single cards will get compared to the performance your dual cards will give though. So if you plan on keeping this rig for a long time, get a good card now like the r9 290 or something equivalent or higher
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html
Dual cards will always use more power than a single GPU (probably more than twice as much), which is why you need 550w for a single GPU an 750w PSU for a dual. One thing I can say is that a single card will have less potential complications than duals.

I wouldn't worry too much about the performance of the i7 vs i5 personally. Unless you NEED the i7 for something specific to your work field, it's just going to be useless money spent imo.I don't hear much about the Xeon, so I won't comment about them. The i5-4670k will be good and give you more room to upgrade the GPU to something better. I have a i5-2500k from 3 years ago and I'm sure it will give me great performance for another 3-4 years at least

About RAM/Memory, unless you need 16gb for video rendering/something work specfic, there is no point getting it. 8gb will be fine for gaming. I bought 16gb for my build only because it was on sale at the time for $80 and I actually tested 8gb vs 16gb for my usage and didn't notice anything. There are many tests/threads around which would back that up. 1600mhz is all you need and I wouldn't bother overclocking RAM personally.
Overclocking in general is just a hobby

If you don't have many games on your SSD, then a 120gb will do, you can use the saved $ better in other parts of your build Unless you can find a 240-256GB for $30-40 more, then get it. But the SSDs prices seem to be going lower and lower. Who knows though, they may be getting ready to gauge us :lol:

About the case, A case is just a case once you get to the $50-100 ones . As long as it's big enough for all your components and looks good to you then great . I'd get whichever of them is cheaper. A case is really a personal touch that I like the builder to decide.

I am also a rambler as you can tell from my post 😛 Hope this gives you some insight. You may get more people answering this thread if we knew a budget and you could make your list on uk.pcpartpicker.com as it's easier to edit and view this way.
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/

 

[Jehan]

Thanks for your Ramble jaraldo!

It was much better than mine and great info and yes i thought the 4670k was awesome i had it in my first pc ^^ almost all Toms insisted i got that beast cause my brother and me mainly play older games.

But we want to try out games as Witcher 2 and the comming games like Dragon age 3 and wont it be better to have 4core 8threads? and if i dont get an z type for oc and sli just get the cheapest gigabyte z97 or h97 ?

The pc case dont matter much ? cause corsair and coolermaster have both good cases from 30 euro

About the budget.. im dutch so the lesser the better + the lessest power consumption option ^^ lets say 400 euro minimum without gpu and max 700 euro including gpu and ssd.

http://tweakers.net/gallery/552287#tab:wenslijst

 

[Vic 40]

Your link to the wish list gives,

... heeft geen (openbare) wenslijsten

so we can't see which parts you want to use.

 

[Jehan]

Sorry vic in frustration i delete the list.. il try to make a new one but each time 1 component skyrocket the price of the build or the components aren't good enough to invest in the future.

a few mins please brb

 

[Vic 40]

Oké.

 

[Jehan]

Thanks and here u go sir ^^

http://tweakers.net/gallery/552287?wish_id=596915#tab:wenslijst

Here's an AMD build but am sure it will suck the 550W psu and my bank acount dry 😛

http://tweakers.net/gallery/552287#tab:wenslijst

 

[Jehan]

Oké.

off to bed ^^ see u folks tomorrow GN

 

[jaraldo]

Thanks for your Ramble jaraldo!

It was much better than mine and great info and yes i thought the 4670k was awesome i had it in my first pc ^^ almost all Toms insisted i got that beast cause my brother and me mainly play older games.

But we want to try out games as Witcher 2 and the comming games like Dragon age 3 and wont it be better to have 4core 8threads? and if i dont get an z type for oc and sli just get the cheapest gigabyte z97 or h97 ?

The pc case dont matter much ? cause corsair and coolermaster have both good cases from 30 euro

About the budget.. im dutch so the lesser the better + the lessest power consumption option ^^ lets say 400 euro minimum without gpu and max 700 euro including gpu and ssd.

http://tweakers.net/gallery/552287#tab:wenslijst

Just going by what I remember, I don't believe I've seen people recommending i7 for witcher 2. I'll check out Dragon Age 3 tonight and see about it.

If you aren't going to OC, an h97 would be good. This is just my opinion, I think you should get a SLI board and a 750w PSU anyways. SLI boards won't be much more than non-SLI ones and will probably have features you want. A 750w PSU is maybe $30-50 more depending on the brand, but some actually come with 10 year warranties and could actually be useable for 7-10 years. That would also give you the option to SLI if you ever wanted to.

About the case, I'm not saying it doesn't matter! 😛 But it's the one thing no one on this forum can tell you "No, that one sucks, get this one" . Some of the $20-30 are cheaply made, which is why I said $50-100 ones there isn't much difference. If you like the look of one, it has the USB 3.0 ports you want, and can fit all your parts etc...then get it!

When you say

About the budget.. im dutch so the lesser the better + the lessest power consumption option ^^ lets say 400 euro minimum without gpu and max 700 euro including gpu and ssd.

are you still talking about building a budget build and then upgrading it later? A SSD is never an option until you get to the 850-900 range, as you should be focusing most of your cash into GPU---->CPU--->Mobo<--->PSU.

If you are concerned about power consumption, then don't even do an AMD build.

Final question before we can proceed, The build we are focusing on is to be upgraded later?
Example, your $450 budget build from that link and then adding in a better CPU/GPU etc and making it into a $1000+ like the other 2 builds? Or have you changed your mind ?

 

[Vic 40]

Here's an AMD build but am sure it will suck the 550W psu and my bank acount dry 😛

http://tweakers.net/gallery/552287#tab:wenslijst

When i click this one i still get the intel build.

What about a gpu? Which one? The 750 ti doesn't support sli anyway so take that into account.
The HD 7850 is replaced with the r7 265,a better card than the 750 ti.

If you want to save money just don't overclock and go for a H97 motherboard and the i5 4460 for example.

 

[Jehan]

Hallo vic and yes u have a point but i thought Z97 have the advantage that the new and upcoming processors work on them so i rather get dual core with z97 or h97 now and get the new i7 later on than replace the mobo.

Besides i dont mind to have a reserve cpu for 50 euro plus i can get an gpu now within the budget.

So here's the build so far hope u have ideas ^^ and please no high end gpu i can get the 750ti for around 130 euro and an 7950 for 170 euro but the electric bill says the 7950 isn't worth it even if the card was for free.

http://tweakers.net/gallery/552287#tab:wenslijst


Oh about the i5 its great for gaming now and the 4670k even beats the 4770k at some marks but i7 clearly performs better with newer games.

 

[jaraldo]

Yea, I think he deleted the AMD build because I mentioned the FX being power hungry 😛

I'd agree though if you don't want to OC that is a better option. Since people are having trouble viewing the tweakers build, I built a non-OC version and an OC version of your build. I put a random Case that is the same price as yours in the build because I couldn't the Zalman.

Non-OC build
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor (€47.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€91.18 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€78.81 @ Hardwareversand)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€68.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card (€142.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Thermaltake Overseer RX-I Snow Edition ATX Full Tower Case (€108.08 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€80.96 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €618.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-07 20:30 CEST+0200)

Hehe...did this all in british pounds at first by mistake...T_T..

Edit: That last bit of info really helped clear things up for me. If you are concerned about power consumption that much, you don't want to be crossfire'n, you'll want to stick with a single card for an efficient set up. If you ever change your mind though you have the option for both SLI/crossfire.

I got you a good PSU gold rated, 650w because it's just a single card set up. Also, I recently found out the 3220 won't bottleneck a 750ti so this build should have everything you need when you want to get an i5-i7 to OC with.

Edit2: just so you know, the 750ti is not able to SLI.

 

[Vic 40]

What i don't get is that you buy a motherboard for sli with a card that doesn't support it and is capable for overclocking when overclocking is something that most certainly will add to the electricity bill.

 

[jaraldo]

Yes, agreed. I just kind of went with it since he seems to be insistent on it 😛

Jehan, is there a reason you want to Overclock in particular? or just for the experience? Overclocking and SLI go together to extend the life of a build.

If you have a good PSU that will save you power while it's idling and then you just shut your PC off when you are done with it, you will be saving more power that way than with limiting yourself.