Terry Schiavo is killing this forum!

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Look guys/gals,

I don't know if this is one of those troll games aimed killing this
forum for a stupid score. Either way the forum is dominated with this
SH**.

I am calling on all the regulars to post to try to re-establish a healthy
balance.

 

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Hawklan wrote:

> Look guys/gals,
>
> I don't know if this is one of those troll games aimed killing this
> forum for a stupid score. Either way the forum is dominated with this
> SH**.
>
> I am calling on all the regulars to post to try to re-establish a healthy
> balance.

You could, but I think it is pointless. It is like the Morrowind
thread...it just won't die...

 

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:45:40 -0500, "Hawklan"
<kristan.miller@nospamdnd.ca> wrote:

>Look guys/gals,
>
> I don't know if this is one of those troll games aimed killing this
>forum for a stupid score. Either way the forum is dominated with this
>SH**.
>
>I am calling on all the regulars to post to try to re-establish a healthy
>balance.

Or kill every new thread that appears, like me.

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They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses !
And what's with all the carrots ?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway ?
Bunnies ! Bunnies ! It must be BUNNIES !

 

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Bitstring
<40adbbd71e338cf11d43b1223206afbe@localhost.talkaboutcomputing.com>,
from the wonderful person Hawklan <kristan.miller@nospamdnd.ca> said
>Look guys/gals,
>
> I don't know if this is one of those troll games aimed killing this
>forum for a stupid score. Either way the forum is dominated with this
>SH**.

Get a decent newsreader and kill all articles/threads which are
crossposted to 2 or more other NGs.

As for posting something on-topic, well, what we really need are a few
cRPGs released. Preferably single player.

--
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SC recommends the use of Firefox; Get smart, or get assimilated.

 

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Mark Morrison <drdpikeuk@aol.com> wrote in
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> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:45:40 -0500, "Hawklan"
> <kristan.miller@nospamdnd.ca> wrote:
>
>>Look guys/gals,
>>
>> I don't know if this is one of those troll games aimed killing this
>>forum for a stupid score. Either way the forum is dominated with this
>>SH**.
>>
>>I am calling on all the regulars to post to try to re-establish a healthy
>>balance.
>
> Or kill every new thread that appears, like me.

That solves the problem for you but it doesnt really solve the problem. The
"killer trolls" are trying to create a situation where new people cant see
real posts, thereby killing the group while the regulars cant even see the
problem for all the killfiles.

His was a good suggestion

Gandalf Parker

 

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:58:12 GMT, Gandalf Parker
<gandalf@most.of.my.favorite.sites> wrote:

>Mark Morrison <drdpikeuk@aol.com> wrote in
>news:i01m419itujhkeqk14edq46rj1n5kr50b9@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:45:40 -0500, "Hawklan"
>> <kristan.miller@nospamdnd.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Look guys/gals,
>>>
>>> I don't know if this is one of those troll games aimed killing this
>>>forum for a stupid score. Either way the forum is dominated with this
>>>SH**.
>>>
>>>I am calling on all the regulars to post to try to re-establish a healthy
>>>balance.
>>
>> Or kill every new thread that appears, like me.
>
>That solves the problem for you but it doesnt really solve the problem. The
>"killer trolls" are trying to create a situation where new people cant see
>real posts, thereby killing the group while the regulars cant even see the
>problem for all the killfiles.
>
>His was a good suggestion
>
>Gandalf Parker

Yes, but if everyone did the same as me, the threads wouldn't
continue, and multiply.

I'm sick of people starting NEW threads,in order to bitch about an old
thread which was nothing but a troll in the first place.

Just KF and move on with your life - it's the idiots replying which
make it fun for the trolls in the first place, and the reason they do
it.

My csipg.rpg group is nothing but on-topic threads, thanks to my
scorched earth policy regarding trolls.

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Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes !
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses !
And what's with all the carrots ?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway ?
Bunnies ! Bunnies ! It must be BUNNIES !

 

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Mark Morrison <drdpikeuk@aol.com> wrote in
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> Yes, but if everyone did the same as me, the threads wouldn't
> continue, and multiply.

Actually if its done for "killing" purposes then they have their own ways
to keep the threads going. But killing the the "home groups" in the
crossposts usually takes care of that.

Gandalf Parker

 

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I'm sorry I dont' recognize you as one of the regulars here?

I think your comprehesive abilities are what the ones that are suspect.
Like any good academic would do, let us define our terms.

Topical: dealing with esp. current or local topics.

Relevant: bearing on or pertinent to the matter in hand.

Oxford 7th ed.

Many issues are 'topical' that are not relevant to this forum, it is why
they have headings. You are either new to this or rather (I suspect) one
of the smarter trolls who is a bit of a sophist (you'll have to look that
one up yourself).

Rationalize all you want Bambo,

Yes it is natural to discuss the Schiavo - just not here.

Hawklan

 

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Thusly Mark Morrison <drdpikeuk@aol.com> Spake Unto All:

>Yes, but if everyone did the same as me, the threads wouldn't
>continue, and multiply.

Well, the twats have sock-puppets and a 'tail' of fans. If noone takes
the bait in the first go, the sock-puppets and fans will keep
screaming at eachother for some time, in the hope that people will
join in.

>I'm sick of people starting NEW threads,in order to bitch about an old
>thread which was nothing but a troll in the first place.

Again, often the twat(s) and their sock puppets. When they find a
subject that works they'll spawn more threads.

They do tire eventually, if they dont get any catch.

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Fun Fact of the Day: In exit polls at the election 2004 the percentage of American
voters citing moral and ethical values as their prime concern was 22 percent,
continuing a trend of *decreasing* perceived importance of morals: In the 2000
election 35 percent cited morals & ethical values as their prime concern, and in
1996 a whopping 40%, almost twice as many as in 2004.
(Bet you hadn't gotten that impression from the press, had you?)

 

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Thusly "DocScorpio" <DocScorpio@stupra-spammeros.com> Spake Unto All:

>> I am calling on all the regulars to post to try to re-establish a healthy
>> balance.
>>
>Unfortunately, many of the game ng regulars are, themselves, actively
>participating in these bogus troll threads.

Yeah. I'm bored, I admit it. The only reasonably new rpg is
bloodlines, and desperate though I am, vampires are just too silly to
play.

>They salve their conscience by
>clipping the so-called "troll home ng" (do we even know if this is how these
>guy are really scoring their troll threads?

They were up until about 1-2 weeks ago, after which they seem to have
come here in person. I cut down on my OffTopic after noticing that
there were tons of twats and/or their sock-puppets about which did
_not_ crosspost to twat-owned groups, and has since made an effort to
increase my OnTopic.

>appropriate ng. Between the Steam and Schaivo threads, I killed most of the
>threads in these groups over the last few weeks. And, yes, it would help if
>there were a few more games out there.

Steam is appropriate for the action group, or at least would be if
sayNO2xanax was capable of rational discourse, but unfortunately
sayNO2sanity crossposts here too because he needs to inform everyone
of the terrible peril to their immortal souls that is Steam. We'll see
what alias he'll pop up under tomorrow, when his free account at
individual.net has dried up.
Schiavo is just troll bait that's been successful, which is why the
twats are spawning Schiavo threads all over the place right now.


--
Fun Fact of the Day: In exit polls at the election 2004 the percentage of American
voters citing moral and ethical values as their prime concern was 22 percent,
continuing a trend of *decreasing* perceived importance of morals: In the 2000
election 35 percent cited morals & ethical values as their prime concern, and in
1996 a whopping 40%, almost twice as many as in 2004.
(Bet you hadn't gotten that impression from the press, had you?)

 

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Mean_Chlorine wrote:

> Thusly Mark Morrison <drdpikeuk@aol.com> Spake Unto All:
>
>
>>Yes, but if everyone did the same as me, the threads wouldn't
>>continue, and multiply.
>
>
> Well, the twats have sock-puppets and a 'tail' of fans. If noone takes
> the bait in the first go, the sock-puppets and fans will keep
> screaming at eachother for some time, in the hope that people will
> join in.
>
>
>>I'm sick of people starting NEW threads,in order to bitch about an old
>>thread which was nothing but a troll in the first place.
>
>
> Again, often the twat(s) and their sock puppets. When they find a
> subject that works they'll spawn more threads.
>
> They do tire eventually, if they dont get any catch.

The sock puppets are pretty piss poor too. It seems trolls are getting
lazing and stupid...uh..wait....

 

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GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:
> Bitstring
> <40adbbd71e338cf11d43b1223206afbe@localhost.talkaboutcomputing.com>,
> from the wonderful person Hawklan <kristan.miller@nospamdnd.ca> said
>
>> Look guys/gals,
>>
>> I don't know if this is one of those troll games aimed killing this
>> forum for a stupid score. Either way the forum is dominated with this
>> SH**.
>
>
> Get a decent newsreader and kill all articles/threads which are
> crossposted to 2 or more other NGs.
>
> As for posting something on-topic, well, what we really need are a few
> cRPGs released. Preferably single player.
>

Or to rehash the old favourites 🙂 I've been replaying
Planescape:Torment and Might and Magic VII, among others. I often check
around to see if any good games I missed when they were released are out
on budget, and am frequently pleasantly surprised.

Cheers,
Grant

 

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"foamy" <bombelly@wahs.ac> wrote in message
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> In article <IN%2e.16688$DW.14626@newssvr17.
> news.prodigy.com>, "DocScorpio" <DocScorpio@
> stupra-spammeros.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> Thanks for your civil response to my post which read a lot angrier and
> insulting than I intended. I'm really confused what ' troll ' even means
> anymore. I'm not referring to you here, but it's apparently been adopted
> as an epithet for ' someone who disagrees with me '. I can't wrap my mind
> around how people will think, " Oh a troll...I guess I better respond and
> call
> them a troll '. 🙂
[snip]
>
I should get
>>rid of OE. That would resolve a lot of this.
>
>
> Yes, I don't think OE is a good newsreader. I've never killfiled anyone
> or any thread. I just ignore threads I'm not interested in and accept
> the fact I'll miss the occasional post I would have liked to read.
>
> That's probably why I get sanctimonious and don't fully appreciate
> the problems others have--I should be more understanding.
>
> Jim

You're right, peeps use "troll" as an insult when they disagree with your
point of view on an OT subj. or a game they dearly love (of course, in the
latter case, they're "fanboys"). In this case they mean that your views are
so obviously stupid and outlandish (i.e., in disagreement with their own
views) that you must be "trolling."

My definition of a troll is someone who doesn't have any feelings one way or
the other about his thread-topic, but simply uses it to garner as many
replies as possible (by pushing hot-buttons). The replies constitute
attention....and that's why, or so I believe, they troll. The "point
scoring" is just camouflage. That's why I don't think clipping the
so-called "scoring ng" makes any difference to them.

I don't, however, consider DiFool (or whoever he is) to be a troll. He's
really fanatical on the subject of Steam. However, I believe he's come to
like the attention he's gotten, hence, the continued storm of posts way
beyond any possible utility.

 

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In article <yF13e.27907$hU7.25376@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com
>, "DocScorpio" <DocScorpio@stupra-spammeros.com> wrote:

< good stuff snipped >

>I don't, however, consider DiFool (or whoever he is) to be a troll. He's
>really fanatical on the subject of Steam. However, I believe he's come to
>like the attention he's gotten, hence, the continued storm of posts way
>beyond any possible utility.

While I can't comment one way or the other about DiFool, I simply haven't
followed that thread after the first couple posts, I agree wholeheartedly with
your general sentiment.

I admire anyone who sincerely believes what they are saying, and strongly
defends their opinion, hopefully with reason and evidence. I wouldn't consider
those people trolls, regardless of how mistaken I thought they were.

Jim

 

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"Mean_Chlorine" <mike_noren2002@NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Thusly "DocScorpio" <DocScorpio@stupra-spammeros.com> Spake Unto All:
>
[snip]
>
> Yeah. I'm bored, I admit it. The only reasonably new rpg is
> bloodlines, and desperate though I am, vampires are just too silly to
> play.
>
>>They salve their conscience by
>>clipping the so-called "troll home ng" (do we even know if this is how
>>these
>>guy are really scoring their troll threads?
>
> They were up until about 1-2 weeks ago, after which they seem to have
> come here in person. I cut down on my OffTopic after noticing that
> there were tons of twats and/or their sock-puppets about which did
> _not_ crosspost to twat-owned groups, and has since made an effort to
> increase my OnTopic.
>
>>appropriate ng. Between the Steam and Schaivo threads, I killed most of
>>the
>>threads in these groups over the last few weeks. And, yes, it would help
>>if
>>there were a few more games out there.
>
> Steam is appropriate for the action group, or at least would be if
> sayNO2xanax was capable of rational discourse, but unfortunately
> sayNO2sanity crossposts here too because he needs to inform everyone
> of the terrible peril to their immortal souls that is Steam. We'll see
> what alias he'll pop up under tomorrow, when his free account at
> individual.net has dried up.
> Schiavo is just troll bait that's been successful, which is why the
> twats are spawning Schiavo threads all over the place right now.
>
>
[snip]

Speaking of trolls, am I being too cynical when I suspect that even on-topic
threads from hitherto unknown posters are trolls, i.e., "What's your
favorite RPG?," "Need a new game, what's a good RPG?" etc. These types of
threads generate endless responses here and sometimes even escalate into
major controversies. Why are these broad, generals questions (and others
like them) asked in all the gaming groups about once a month by peeps we've
never heard of before. Wouldn't these posters be better served just to
google the answers from previous posts. How come gamers savvy enough to
find usenet seem to know so little about games?

 

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Thusly "DocScorpio" <DocScorpio@stupra-spammeros.com> Spake Unto All:

>Speaking of trolls, am I being too cynical when I suspect that even on-topic
>threads from hitherto unknown posters are trolls, i.e., "What's your
>favorite RPG?," "Need a new game, what's a good RPG?" etc.

Not necessarily. Sometimes twats try to build report with the locals,
to more effectively disrupt the group later when they'll start a mock
fight with a sock-puppet or one of their pals.
When you suspect a poster of being a twat, check google to get the
track record of a poster.

Not sure exactly what the twats are up to, or why they seem to have
changed from their previous generic "all gays must die/abortion is
murder/terri schiavo/athiests are teh eveil" crosspost tactic.

It's not nearly as bad in c.s.i.p.g.r as in c.s.i.p.g.a, though.

>major controversies. Why are these broad, generals questions (and others
>like them) asked in all the gaming groups about once a month by peeps we've
>never heard of before.

In most cases it's just an honest wish to chat, or even to generate
on-topic traffic in the group. God knows it needs it.

I've myself cut down on off-topic and participated in some overly
broad threads to increase the on-topic.

--
Fun Fact of the Day: In exit polls at the election 2004 the percentage of American
voters citing moral and ethical values as their prime concern was 22 percent,
continuing a trend of *decreasing* perceived importance of morals: In the 2000
election 35 percent cited morals & ethical values as their prime concern, and in
1996 a whopping 40%, almost twice as many as in 2004.
(Bet you hadn't gotten that impression from the press, had you?)

 

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I myself am guilty of some of these over-generalized topics. As Mean points
out, really it is usually an effort to stimulate discussion among the core
members.

IMO anyone who pledges lip-service to remaining on-topic is not a troll in
my books. Even if they are covert trolls, they have in fact outsmarted
themselves because in trying to establish credibility they serve the
forum. Whether this changes down the road or not, they aren't really
fooling the rest of us because they aren't really trolls (yet).

I am willing to forgive members being slightly too general or off-topic
when their goal is to stimulate healthy discussion in this forum.

Cheers,

hawklan

 

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"Mean_Chlorine" <mike_noren2002@NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Thusly "DocScorpio" <DocScorpio@stupra-spammeros.com> Spake Unto All:
>
>>Speaking of trolls, am I being too cynical when I suspect that even
>>on-topic
>>threads from hitherto unknown posters are trolls, i.e., "What's your
>>favorite RPG?," "Need a new game, what's a good RPG?" etc.
>
> Not necessarily. Sometimes twats try to build report with the locals,
> to more effectively disrupt the group later when they'll start a mock
> fight with a sock-puppet or one of their pals.
> When you suspect a poster of being a twat, check google to get the
> track record of a poster.
>
> Not sure exactly what the twats are up to, or why they seem to have
> changed from their previous generic "all gays must die/abortion is
> murder/terri schiavo/athiests are teh eveil" crosspost tactic.
>
> It's not nearly as bad in c.s.i.p.g.r as in c.s.i.p.g.a, though.
>
>>major controversies. Why are these broad, generals questions (and others
>>like them) asked in all the gaming groups about once a month by peeps
>>we've
>>never heard of before.
>
> In most cases it's just an honest wish to chat, or even to generate
> on-topic traffic in the group. God knows it needs it.
>
> I've myself cut down on off-topic and participated in some overly
> broad threads to increase the on-topic.
>
> --
> Fun Fact of the Day: In exit polls at the election 2004 the percentage of
> American
> voters citing moral and ethical values as their prime concern was 22
> percent,
> continuing a trend of *decreasing* perceived importance of morals: In the
> 2000
> election 35 percent cited morals & ethical values as their prime concern,
> and in
> 1996 a whopping 40%, almost twice as many as in 2004.
> (Bet you hadn't gotten that impression from the press, had you?)

I've read that trolls are attempting to achieve high "scores" against one
another in massive "trolling contests" (which implies intra-group
interaction rather than "lone wolf" endeavor) or that they're attempting to
"kill" news groups. Does anyone really have a source of information on what
the self-perceived goals of trolls are? I googled the subject and can find
no "troll groups" (where they meet to socialize and strategize) or anything
introspective from the trolls themselves. I can find plenty of anti-troll
stuff, but that's it. Every ng is subjected to trolling and lots of stuff
is imputed to trolls.....but I can find nothing concrete on the subject. It
all seems to be conjecture by the trollees. What is this shadowy group of
"outlaw posters," the "bad boyz" of usenet? Does it really exist as some
kind of collective entity? Do trolls really have goals to "score high" or
"kill groups"? If somebody's got some real sources, please point me to
them.