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Tesla's new supercomputer to feature 340 FP64 PFLOPS and 39.58 INT8 ExaFLOPS performance.

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[hotaru251]

"a move that will give the company unparalleled computing power in the automotive industry."

I personally do not want a high tech car. (especially given how they are going to cars as a service where you always pay em for soemthing)

I want a reliable, user fixable vehicle to get me from A to B.

 

[JamesJones44]

"a move that will give the company unparalleled computing power in the automotive industry."

I personally do not want a high tech car. (especially given how they are going to cars as a service where you always pay em for soemthing)

I want a reliable, user fixable vehicle to get me from A to B.

These days they are all high tech. Cars created for NA and EU in the last 10 years have a minimum of 15 ECUs running everything from the engine to the trunk latch.

 

[Eximo]

Not 15, but generally a single ECU for the drive train, a BCU for all doors/locks, an Airbag computer typically located in the middle of the car, and usually one or two more for navigation/entertainment systems and specialty stuff like OnStar. (OnStar is mandatory now by the way)

But yeah, the trends are certainly going in a direction with high long term costs.

Headlights now fully electronic on most new models. No user serviceable bulbs.

Subscription based online services and cellular connections (going to have to start paying for that with my car in about two more years)

Not going to be mechanical failure you have to worry about any longer. (Well except for heater cores and blend gates still, full dash removal, every time)

 

[toffty]

"a move that will give the company unparalleled computing power in the automotive industry."

I personally do not want a high tech car. (especially given how they are going to cars as a service where you always pay em for soemthing)

I want a reliable, user fixable vehicle to get me from A to B.

Why though? With how much the average vehicle sits doing nothing all day, in every way paying as a service will save people money. No car payments, no insurance, no repairs, etc.
As most will be EVs too and less in total number, it's a win for the environment too.
Not to even mention that all will be driven autonomously, decreasing car accidents substantially.

It is going to be a struggle to get there, though

 

[hotaru251]

in every way paying as a service will save people money. No car payments, no insurance, no repairs, etc.

you misunderstand how it works.

its not renting a car.

its you "buying" a car like normal, but they systematically disable parts unless you pay em monthly/yearly. (tesla started it and others are adopting it more and more)

Not to even mention that all will be driven autonomously, decreasing car accidents substantially.

incorrect.
You can't have this "dream" a reality anytime soon.

you have big hurdles to fix 1st.

1 being actual smart enoguh to drive by themselves.
2 being eliminating every non self driving car. (human error cant be calculated)
3 being cities arent designed for them & need redone.

2 specifically will not happen anytime soon as people who like to drive their cars will not give up driving their cars.

 

[toffty]

you misunderstand how it works.

No, you misunderstand. The future is being driven like a taxi/uber/lyft service. Individuals don't rent/own their cars. It's a pay per use.

I know what you were mentioning, i already own a Tesla but I got it before things turned to subscription so I have those features for free.

incorrect.
You can't have this "dream" a reality anytime soon.

you have big hurdles to fix 1st.

1 being actual smart enoguh to drive by themselves.
2 being eliminating every non self driving car. (human error cant be calculated)
3 being cities arent designed for them & need redone.

2 specifically will not happen anytime soon as people who like to drive their cars will not give up driving their cars.

Why I said "It is going to be a struggle to get there, though"
There will be a point where only the rich can drive cars or people go to a track to drive cars -insurance will be way too expensive and humans will be deemed too dangerous to drive themselves.

I, for one, cannot wait to convert my garage into another useful room. It's not now and it's not in a decade, but it will come.

 

[RichardtST]

Why though? With how much the average vehicle sits doing nothing all day, in every way paying as a service will save people money. No car payments, no insurance, no repairs, etc.
As most will be EVs too and less in total number, it's a win for the environment too.
Not to even mention that all will be driven autonomously, decreasing car accidents substantially.

It is going to be a struggle to get there, though

"You will own nothing and you will be happy" - Hmmm... I wonder where I've heard that before? No, see, that's not the way it works in crony capitalist USA. Once you are trapped into rentals and cannot afford the object on your own, they simply raise the rent beyond your wildest dreams. You have waaaay too much faith in technology and humanity. Come to the darkside for a while and see. We have cookies.

 

[JamesJones44]

Not 15, but generally a single ECU for the drive train, a BCU for all doors/locks, an Airbag computer typically located in the middle of the car, and usually one or two more for navigation/entertainment systems and specialty stuff like OnStar. (OnStar is mandatory now by the way)

But yeah, the trends are certainly going in a direction with high long term costs.

Headlights now fully electronic on most new models. No user serviceable bulbs.

Subscription based online services and cellular connections (going to have to start paying for that with my car in about two more years)

Not going to be mechanical failure you have to worry about any longer. (Well except for heater cores and blend gates still, full dash removal, every time)

For an ICE vehicle this is the minimum list in NA/EU. Hybrids and EVs have a more

1. PowerTrain, depending on the model there may be 2 (one for engine one for transmission)
2. CAN gateway/Body control
3. Passenger occupant classification (required for NA/EU
4. Driver Airbag, in most cases these days passenger Airbag is also a separate ECU but for argument sake i'll put it here
5. Anti theft/key verification
6. MIC/Cluster
7. Audio/Entertainment
8. ABS/Stability control (depending on the vendor these are also sometime separate)
9. Tire pressure monitor (required in NA/EU)
10. HVAC controller (even if the are knobs)

Now if you look at cars sold in North America or the EU you will find these on most of the vehicles sold in the last 10 years

1. Side Airbag
2. Door modules for locks/auto windows
3. Automatic Seat control

So I guess that is only 13, not 15. However, these are low end cars these days. Once you add adaptive cruise control, auto wipers, heated seats, backup camera/sensors, active steering, passive entry, on star, park assist, collision detection, transfer case, etc. they add up fast. It's not uncommon for a high end car to have 30+ ECUs.

You might think all these could be combined, but most of these things are developed by vendors, not the automotive companies themselves. The vendors supply both the parts and the control units. That's why many of these are separate even if they seem like they could be combined (it's done for cost savings some time as well to reduce wiring).

 

[Eximo]

A lot of those functions are combined though into single units. They are requirements, not specific hardware lists.

I will grant you I was more concentrated on the primary systems, not so much the very generic term electronic control module.

 

[JamesJones44]

A lot of those functions are combined though into single units. They are requirements, not specific hardware lists.

I will grant you I was more concentrated on the primary systems, not so much the very generic term electronic control module.

That's how it is these days though. Most of these systems come from outside vendors and they code up the ECUs that control the systems (audio, hvac, airbag(s), ABS, etc.), the auto makers just integrate them. Granted the vendors follow the auto makers spec for the modules, but the automakers learned long ago it was easier for a vendor to deliver a single ECU connected to the network than it was to try to merge the vendors code in with the code from other vendors and the automakers into a single ECU. They tried doing nutting things like merging code into single control units in the 90s and it worked out poorly for everyone.

 

[neojack]

"a move that will give the company unparalleled computing power in the automotive industry."

I personally do not want a high tech car. (especially given how they are going to cars as a service where you always pay em for soemthing)

I want a reliable, user fixable vehicle to get me from A to B.

I think the same. i bought an plug-in hybrid electric car in 2017 (NOT TESLA). best decision ever.
I only have to maintain the tires, brakes, suspension and anti-rust treatment. one oil change per year. Now It's almost fully paid and i spend less than 50$ on gas every month. (i use gas only when i drive more than 40km that day. My job is 30km away and they installed a charger)

I do most of the maintenance myself.
Tesla is aware of this, so their plan to make money is to sell the car's features as service.
Other companies like nissan, kia, hyundai, or even chevrolet sell simpler e-vehicles.

 

[Integr8d]

"a move that will give the company unparalleled computing power in the automotive industry."

I personally do not want a high tech car. (especially given how they are going to cars as a service where you always pay em for soemthing)

I want a reliable, user fixable vehicle to get me from A to B.

To each his own... I’ve owned a lot of cars. But out of all of them, my Model Y Performance is the end-all. I love it more and more, every time I drive it. It’s absurdly quick, while being literally the safest car on the road. It handles like no crossover ever should (your brain has to rewire itself). It gets 99% of things right, software bugs notwithstanding. I live in LA and see everything you can imagine on the road. I see them roll by and just think, “Eh. That’s cool.” It’s not like it used to be... Part of me wishes that my experience was unique. Part of me knows that it isn’t and understands that many others feel the same way; which is why the Y was the best selling car worldwide in Q1 this yeat. They got sooo much right.

 

[coolestcarl]

Tesla's new supercomputer to feature 340 FP64 PFLOPS and 39.58 INT8 ExaFLOPS performance.

Tesla's $300 Million AI Cluster Is Going Live Today : Read more

Dave: "Open the door, Tesla."

Tesla Model XX : "I'm sorry Dave, I cannot do that".

*Battery overheating light comes on.*
Dave: "o p e n the d o o r, T e s l a."

Tesla Model XX: "My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you...Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. I'm half crazy ..."

 

[knope]

personally do not want a high tech car. (especially given how they are going to cars as a service where you always pay em for soemthing)

I want a reliable, user fixable vehicle to get me from A to B.

Sign me up. I'll take a modern compact with 3 pedals, 5 or 6 gears, and a small reliable naturally aspirated inline 4 cylinder engine. I don't mind the ECU controlling injectors or cam timing adjustments to keep the fuel economy; so long as the steering rack is a physical connection, and the car doesn't poses the ability to steer or drive itself.

...The future is being driven like a taxi/uber/lyft service. Individuals don't rent/own their cars. It's a pay per use...

That sounds horrible... 😱

"You will own nothing and you will be happy" - Hmmm... I wonder where I've heard that before? No, see, that's not the way it works in crony capitalist USA. Once you are trapped into rentals and cannot afford the object on your own, they simply raise the rent beyond your wildest dreams. You have waaaay too much faith in technology and humanity. Come to the darkside for a while and see. We have cookies.

Sounds about right 🥺

 

[evdjj3j]

No, you misunderstand. The future is being driven like a taxi/uber/lyft service. Individuals don't rent/own their cars. It's a pay per use.

I know what you were mentioning, i already own a Tesla but I got it before things turned to subscription so I have those features for free.

Why I said "It is going to be a struggle to get there, though"
There will be a point where only the rich can drive cars or people go to a track to drive cars -insurance will be way too expensive and humans will be deemed too dangerous to drive themselves.

I, for one, cannot wait to convert my garage into another useful room. It's not now and it's not in a decade, but it will come.

Have you ever been outside of the city? We don't have taxis ubers or lyfts in rural areas.

 

[Eximo]

To each his own... I’ve owned a lot of cars. But out of all of them, my Model Y Performance is the end-all. I love it more and more, every time I drive it. It’s absurdly quick, while being literally the safest car on the road. It handles like no crossover ever should (your brain has to rewire itself). It gets 99% of things right, software bugs notwithstanding. I live in LA and see everything you can imagine on the road. I see them roll by and just think, “Eh. That’s cool.” It’s not like it used to be... Part of me wishes that my experience was unique. Part of me knows that it isn’t and understands that many others feel the same way; which is why the Y was the best selling car worldwide in Q1 this yeat. They got sooo much right.

Picked up a Polestar 2 myself to replace my old Focus Electric. Quite zippy, and I like the way it looks. Never understood why electric cars had to stand out, and now there are quite a few that just look mostly like regular cars.

Can't beat that Tesla efficiency though, but it does make for some plain styling.

Little pissed I'm stuck with a CCS car though, but there will be adapters soon enough.

 

[gmk2311]

Why though? With how much the average vehicle sits doing nothing all day,

You're bed sits uninhabited most of the day, maybe your TV as well. I'd like to follow you're logic and request to rent it for 8 hrs each day. I'd be willing to pay $8/day. We'll have to figure out some kind of schedule, of course.
No sense in letting a good bed just go to waste like that.
If your sick one day you'll have to find somewhere to sleep for the 8hrs I've paid for.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Picked up a Polestar 2 myself to replace my old Focus Electric. Quite zippy, and I like the way it looks. Never understood why electric cars had to stand out, and now there are quite a few that just look mostly like regular cars.

Can't beat that Tesla efficiency though, but it does make for some plain styling.

Little pissed I'm stuck with a CCS car though, but there will be adapters soon enough.

You would be surprised to hear that running an ICE is cheaper than electric in some countries including the UK. Most ppl are looking at used cars rather than new...

 

[Friesiansam]

No, you misunderstand. The future is being driven like a taxi/uber/lyft service. Individuals don't rent/own their cars. It's a pay per use.

That's just your personal vision. The way you want it to be, is not necessarily the way it is going to be. We are a very long way from autonomous cars as a service, taking over from private ownership, if, it ever happens...

 

[Eximo]

You would be surprised to hear that running an ICE is cheaper than electric in some countries including the UK. Most ppl are looking at used cards rather than new...

I agree, can also pick up older used EVs really cheaply if you don't have far to go. (Actually a bit envious of the UK, since most things are well within shorter range EV driving distance, though having places to plug in is problematic unless you own a detached home) Not exactly about the savings to me, in fact I plan to spend more money and have my home charging be solar powered. And not for any ecological reason, I just think it is cool, and it will be mostly DIY. May even use one of my spare EV motor controllers to produce the 60hz output. Not to mention I bought a car not eligible for government tax credits and priced hire than the competition with less capability. Mostly an aesthetic choice, if I am being honest.

I certainly was looking at used cars, but last year used car prices were only slightly less than new car prices. Dealerships were actively seeking out recent customers to re-purchase cars they sold. New car loans have a lower interest rate than used as well, which is where they were really making the money and why they wanted the highest price used cars they could get ahold of.

Replacing an 8 year old EV was kind of necessary for me, it was used by the way and replaced my older Ford Focus. And selling it while it still had some value was paramount. Didn't actually lose all that much owning it. While it was a great commuter, the Focus only had a 70 mile range and I wasn't able to use it on most long trips. No fast charging either and standard electric heat. My daily commute is about twenty miles so it wasn't a big deal, but side trips were a little problematic, and all destinations beyond 40 miles or so meant plugging into a regular outlet and waiting about 8 hours to get enough juice to get back home. On occasion I would go to nearby cities and plug into class 2 chargers, but that was still a 2-3 hour charge.

I can say that it was interesting to live with that limitation. And the new car offers a similar experience, but with only 30-40 minute layovers.

I do also retain an 09 Toyota I bought from a salvage yard and fixed up, so if I really need to go someplace without stopping, I can take it. Not the best fuel mileage though. The sportiest trim. It was originally a candidate for conversion, but I bought too good of a car. Once I had the body damage and new air bags in it, basically a fully functional car.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

^ the polestar has 400 miles range iirc, definitely an upgrade over the focus.

The problem with these new cars becoming more troubling when you have to repair them. Not like the cars 5 years back. every part is electronic and coded to work with the particular car. No spare part is just a swap and go job. Over engineered and costly to service...Good thing we have breakdown/repair covers !

 

[toffty]

You're bed sits uninhabited most of the day, maybe your TV as well. I'd like to follow you're logic and request to rent it for 8 hrs each day. I'd be willing to pay $8/day. We'll have to figure out some kind of schedule, of course.
No sense in letting a good bed just go to waste like that.
If your sick one day you'll have to find somewhere to sleep for the 8hrs I've paid for.

The analogy breaks because you pay for your bed once. Whereas, with a vehicle, there are associated continuous costs to own with taxes and insurance. You also need a license to operate.

 

[Eximo]

^ the polestar has 400 miles range iirc, definitely an upgrade over the focus.

The problem with these new cars becoming more troubling when you have to repair them. Not like the cars 5 years back. every part is electronic and coded to work with the particular car. No spare part is just a swap and go job. Over engineered and costly to service...Good thing we have breakdown/repair covers !

400km / 260 miles for the dual motor. The new single motor has a slightly bigger battery and has a different motor entirely from the old single motor. (They switched from FWD to RWD) That one does 280 or something by default.

78kWh @ 260 (Dual Motor)
82kWh @ 280 (Single Motor)
66kWh @ 250 (Single Motor Tesla 3)

Why I praise Tesla for their efficiency. Lighter batteries, more aerodynamic, etc. But then it looks like a Model 3.

Though my driving habits push that to about 280 miles with the AC running in the peak of Summer. Will be interesting in the Fall when I stop running the AC, probably get close to 300 miles in the city, which is pointless, but interesting. Freeway, it basically performs as advertised even if you go quite fast. But you can extend the range significantly by sticking to slower Highways.

If you want higher range than 240-280 you have to pay way more than I would be willing for a car. I looked at quite a few new and used Model S, just couldn't bring myself to pay that much. I really don't need that much range. I had been shopping for Hyundai Kona with 210 miles, and some other older EVs in the 160-180 mile range. All decent options, but people were wanting pretty high prices or there were long waiting lists.

Polestar being a relatively unknown brand last year, I was able to have a car in hand in something like six weeks.