The Biggest High-Tech Flops Of 2008

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Apparentally people posting here have only used Vista for themselves and not researched anything. Before I start on that obviously the poster right above me has not read much on Windows 7. What is there to laugh at? Microsoft has claimed itself that Windows 7 will be a "lighter" system than Vista to use your reference. Try reading. Sure Microsoft's claims do not mean alot but you saying "most likely" is very opinionated obviously. Scrapping XP sales would have been the single biggest flop of 2008 period if they had done that.

I personally use XP and Vista Business at work and Vista Ultimate at home. So I happen to know what I am talking about. Saying Vista is solid only applies in select situations with select hardware. It is no where near the OS XP still is. I will be the first to admit I really like alot of the innovations and information additions Vista has over XP but as a solid OS is fails miserably. For those of you that think Vista has no problems do me a favor - do a little search on this phrase - nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered - and this is only one issue. Heck there is even a whole site dedicated to it now I just learned myself. And of course Microsoft does not accept blame and nVidia does not accept blame. I have heard of people with ATI having this issue though also though I am an nVidia user so I know more about it from that side. But if that is the case then it is hardly an nVidia issue and definitely leans towards a Vista issue. And if you have done the research I have to read how Vista handles driver response/gpu delays in responding back then you would probably believe it to be the fault of Vista as I do. And it is STILL going on. That is pretty much ridiculous when updating a video driver can be a nightmare and make a user cringe worrying if a horrible problem will show its ugly head again.

Vista even had issues with onboard nVidia network cards just randomly losing IP addresses and being locked on the default 127.0.0.1 IP. The same exact onboard nVidia network cards that work fine on XP and worked for months on XP before Vista. So either Vista has issues or for these drivers nVidia does not know how to code for Vista? Hmmm that could be the case and you know what else could be the case also is the Microsoft is not giving out the proper information on Vista for manufactors to code drivers correctly or that Vista is just plain faulty on some hardware support which would contradict the fact it is supposed to support the most hardware.

And now on from hardware problems - I play plenty of games and my hardware is not bottom line by any means. Several games are very quirky in Vista and one game just plain has fits with Vista and locks up randomly for no reasons. I play another game where in Vista the rain does not show up. Obviously a Vista issue and it is a directX 9 game. XP players do not have that problem. Another game I play was supposed to be directX 10 and 6 to 7 months down the road it still isn't playing with directX 10. I wonder why. Sure there is some games out there made for Vista and directX 10 but that is hardly main stream even if some of the titles are huge titles. The majority of main stream games is still directX 9 where XP excels by leaps and bounds over Vista. And games that are directX 9 have the possibility to have quirks in Vista where they don't even have to worry about it in XP. I do have a directX 10 video card also just to make note.

Lastly, for just as many good innovation as there is in Vista there is at least and equal amount of annoying and bad innovations. Many of which user's turn off but some can simply not be turned off. For example, trying to gain control and rights of a system folder to delete it to completely clean out a previous driver install. I will admit after doing this so many times it has become much easier but is still quite the nusiance when it needs to be done and of course my account is an admin account.

Ok I'm done. It just bothers me all the Vista fanboy's thinking they have the only computer in the world and if Vista run's on theirs it should run on everyone's. Lastly though, I forgot to say I do think if you are using a simple system and not doing much on it or playing games or pushing the boundaries of hardware Vista can work great as does the Vista Business version I use at work. Of course the work computer does not do everything my home computer does. But for me, I do not like being forced to hard boot my computer repetively when playing a game I like and I want an OS that works great with everything I want to do not just oh well that does not work so great so I won't play that game anymore or I won't use that hardware anymore. And once I get a GTX 285 and a new raptor drive I'm going back to XP myself.
 
i disagree on the gpgpu and triple core of amd being failures. it depends on how you want to use these if they are good or none of use too you. amd triple core is good if you like to thread more apps at one time while core 2 duo is good for you if you want more preformance in one application. also remember that triple core is realy cheap and priced below 100 euro while a decend core 2 duo on 45nm costs about 150-190 euro. as for gpgpu stream of amd this isn't being used as a standard yet thus not being used in the mainstream until dx11 same as for tesselation and cuda which all prove to be great products for future programing.
actualy most of the products on the list including vista aren't flops at all they just were abit slow from the start and demand was lower then what was expacted but eventualy these products are great once they become more mainstream. even iphone is good but it just needs some cut in the price that is all. But i agree on the notebook battaries and geforceses that have flopped. nobody wants an exploding notebook unless you are some kind of suicide bomber 😛
 
[citation][nom]apache_lives[/nom]Windows Vista? Come on just because thousands upon thousands of people live under rocks or run obsolite hardware doesnt mean the os is a failure - it craps on its predecessors, so why is it a failure? Owners of Vista 64, 4+gb of ram (come on its dirt cheap) and a Dual/Quad core or better will know what im talking about - i cant fault it!And as for GTA IV - i repeat, it worked from day one with no hassles, has not crashed once (finnished the game weeks ago and still play it), performance aok with 2 year old card (architecture wise - 8800GT 512mb), the only issue perhaps is the sometimes cut up shadows but still it looks friggin sweet on medium graphics (limited on my system) etc - wtf issues about video quality and performance are you on about? What sort of gamer uses single core cpu's and 7 series nvidia cards?Iphone - i own one but i hear no complaints about it? I cant MMS people? I cant bluetooth someone an image or anything? I cant store stuff on it? I cant use it for more then 2 days without draining the battery? I can make it crash listening to music and browsing the web? I get poor performance playing the games from the app store??? Not to say nokia is any better...Half assed article.[/citation]

I had a Core 2 E6400 and a 7900GT and GTA 4 was unplayable, some wired texter problem. I upgraded to a 9800GTX and Q6600 and the game plays great!

I also agree that Vista was not a flop. I run Vista Business and as long as you have enough memory it rus great.
 
Really don't think oled should have been included as a flop for 2008. The technology isn't even 5 years old and has yet to reach its maturity. The first LCD and Plasmas were not all that impressive and were very expensive. I remember the first plasma I ever saw was a 42" that was up on a wall on a high end a/v store I used to work. It was $20000, couldn't produce a decent black level, had a few dead pixels and was a bit grainy. It was however the best screen of its time.
 
Regarding Play-TV (item number 15), maybe the author should do their research a little more? Play-TV does do HD DTT, as attested by several PS3 owners in Australia who decided to import them from the UK. We can pick up HD DTT channels here through Play-TV, channels which have been broadcasting in 1080i and 5.1 for over 5 years now.

Right now I am recording Channel 10's HD channel through Play-TV and I can attest to the fact it is 1080i. Moreover, I can also watch ABC's HD channel at the same time.

Research, people, research!
 
[citation][nom]engrpiman[/nom]I had a Core 2 E6400 and a 7900GT and GTA 4 was unplayable, some wired texter problem. I upgraded to a 9800GTX and Q6600 and the game plays great! I also agree that Vista was not a flop. I run Vista Business and as long as you have enough memory it rus great.[/citation]

7900GT is ~4+ generations old and DX9 based, and the cpu, ~3 generations roughly, and quads have been out for 2+ years - thats the issue. I actually upgraded mid last year from an E6600 + 7900GT to a Q6600 and 8800GT - even then it was all mid-range stuff.

thegh0st - i work in a lab overseeing hundreds of repairs a day doing repairs for the public etc, vista is an angel compared to XP and that bug you listed is pretty rare, the most issues i get is xp relates - userinit etc, vista wins 10:1 for requiring reinstalls.

Windows 7 isnt finalised and this is microsoft were talking about, and i have no care that you think you know about something - thats of your concern.
 
Vista as a flop? Nobody uses it? The Microsoft Yahoo deal had to happen for it to be a flop. It didn't and if it had then Microsoft would have had a huge flop on it's hands. It didn't purchase Yahoo and thus no flop.
Vista is gaining more and more of the marketshare and is the back bone of Windows 7. A flop would of meant something in the realm of HD DVD or Windows ME where the actual product kills the line. OLED's are still in the Beta stage. It's to early to tell if it's a flop or not. DVD's at first were thought of as being a fad device and by this sites defination would be a flop. What about Win XP? By this sites definition it would of been a flop?
 
apache_lives - you may work in a lab but I myself work with about 100 to 125 computers myself and I oversee and actually handle plenty of repairs myself (not just oversee them). I speak with plenty of other people in my field as well. Vista an angel compared to XP? I say - HA! to that unless you have some really computer savy user's (which the public I am sure has a few though I doubt they would have their computers repaired by a third party if this was truly so). On top of being savy computer users they would have to also be really malevolent as I will give you that. XP could be said to be the easy OS to cause inadvertant problems on by the more generic computer users or those with a "little" knowledge.

As for the bug I listed - your definition of pretty rare and mine must be completely different. Thousands of forum posts/threads and now an entire web site and domain name offered up as tribute to a rare bug? Uh that doesn't even sound logical. I would say all of that greatly contradicts your claim or rarity. I myself know it is a false claim as I have personally dealt with the problem first hand. And this problem alone caused me to reinstall Vista plenty of times though I will openly admit I would NOT consider them necessary reinstalls as the reinstalls fixed nothing. The problem would just come back. But you of course can "claim" all you like - it simply does not make it so.

Like I said - do a search - google it - anyone is welcome to - I think that's proof enough to back my own claim...also...
http://www.nvlddmkm.com/
...I mean really - how many rare problems get this treatment? =)

As far as Windows 7 not being finalized - I never said it was. I also said just because Microsoft says something I know does not make it so. But until they actually do finalize Windows 7 people can't exactly refute with evidence their claim that Windows 7 will be lighter.

Also for someone who does not care what I "think" I know you sure took the time to respond with what you "think" you know. You did get it right that it is of my concern though and at least I backed up (even if only a little) the things I "think" I know.
 
ROFL, there's a bunch of scientists here, eh? Well, I'm just an average-end user, I got no super computer, and I'm saying what everyone else in their right mind, Vista SUCKS!
Don't even dare compare it when XP came out, it was a different thing entirely. XP didn't have all the compatibility problems, UAC, and didn't eat RAM for breackfast. Speaking of the last, NO real expert in the world will say that Vista is better, emphasising the fancy aero function that consumes precious resources over XP that is much more optimised.
 
ROFLMAO thats some big words and a big article you have there thegh0st - dont really care about any of it.

Ill continue to use my Vista x64 with modern hardware, and you can stay under your rock where you came from thats fine by me, i know what i see, i know my abilities, i have no reason or care for whatever you think or do.

aaaffastfasd - your another XP drone whos never used Vista i can tell, you hear all the rumors of the UAC etc and believe. UAC is ~4 clicks away to disable, but if you dont know that then thats why microsoft put it there - to warn you that you might do something wrong. As for resources, what? an extra 10%? More aggressive caching? more ram hungry? 8gb of ram these days is worth what, $70 if you go hunting? and ditch your rubbish Athlon XP or Pentium 4 for something up to date and see how things run 😉
 
Surprise, Surpise, apache_lives is praising Vista again and thinks everyone is stupid with bad hardware. How much narrow mindedness does that show? For one you do not know my hardware so commenting that you have modern harware trying to insinuate everyone else does not is just plain dumb. I never said Vista runs slow. I run Vista Ultimate at home until I get a harddrive I want and go back down to XP. But Vista runs plenty fast and memory is NOT an issue. That's about the one thing you do get right - memory is really cheap. The issue is that Vista is not the user friendly OS that XP is plain and simple. Vista does have issues regardless of what you think or what rock you live under yourself. I will also give you that from research Vista 32-bit might exhibit more issues than Vista 64-bit but I have not verified that myself. As I said before, if you do not care why do you comment back?

As for the UAC do you not read the articles here apache_lives? Or do you just troll looking for people to gripe at that make derogatory comments about your precious OS? True the UAC is easily disabled. However, there was a great article here gave people another even more simple option for manipulating Vista settings -
http://www.winvistaclub.com/Ultimate_Windows_Tweaker.html
- it's pretty nifty and easy even for average users.
 
OMGZ MY W1NDOZZ 3.11 PWNS Y0U A11 M0F0 - LIGHTER AND FASTER THEN ALL YOUR HEAVY ASS OPERATING SYSTEMS - 3.11 FTW. Now what would you think if i actually believed in that dinosaur? LOL! Nice one buddy! :)

And praise it? theres one thing i praise in my life for now i praise till ~may this year and it sure as hell aint an operating system.
 
It's really funny how you go to extremes to try to prove your points. I think just about everyone knows - more is not always better. And no one is suggesting downgrading that far. Don't be an ass just to be an ass. Let's see - Claudia Schiffer or Roseanna Barr? Hmmm or maybe more appropriate Claire Forlani (older & better) or Lauren Conrad (newer & wtf? minimal acting ability). Couldn't think of any younger bad fat actresses off the top of my head.
 
GTA 4, Crysis- I'm leaving PC gaming for good. The updates, the drivers, the compatability issues, The DRM,OEM, the OS, the price, the hassle, the lag, the stutters, the inability to rent or resell, are currently killing any need I have to play 6 month/year/2 year old Xbox 360 ports with higher AA settings that most will barely notice. I wanted to avoid getting another console but then I needed a new GC, then my CPU bottlenecks performance, need a new CPU, New CPU not compatible with MOBO, need new mobo, need new power supply. Need new computer. $1000 to build it myself or $2000 to have someone else do it. Goodbye PC gaming neither the price nor the time is worth it. I'll take all the games on PSwii60 and you can keep Crysis.

I'm sorry it's just not worth it.
 
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