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How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
to Dragonlance later.

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Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> writes
>How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
>campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
>to Dragonlance later.

He did? More originated in DL and moved to Ravenloft...

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No he was from Krynn....
biquitous wrote:
> How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
> campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
> to Dragonlance later.
>
 
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weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote in message news:<Q_-dnUXk1eyB7k3dRVn-jw@comcast.com>...
> How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
> campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
> to Dragonlance later.

He's from that Dungeons & Dragons cartoon, you silly.

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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Ubiquitous wrote:

> How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
> campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
> to Dragonlance later.

Er he did? I coulda sworn I had stats for him in DL well before I got the
1st Ed Realms box set....

The first DK reference I had was Fiend Folio but I dont know if my
personal chronology fits the release chronology.

Tim
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"Nockermensch" <nockermensch@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote in message
news:<Q_-dnUXk1eyB7k3dRVn-jw@comcast.com>...
> > How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
> > campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
> > to Dragonlance later.
>
> He's from that Dungeons & Dragons cartoon, you silly.

Dekkion...made a death knight by the big evil dude because...something about
his family or something. For some reason the name Dekkion is about all I
remember about the cartoon entirely...I could even be wrong about the name.
That would pre-date DL...not sure on the FF though.

Rich
 
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In article <4769522f.0406170241.43fac06a@posting.google.com>,
nockermensch@hotmail.com wrote:
>weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:

>> How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
>> campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
>> to Dragonlance later.
>
>He's from that Dungeons & Dragons cartoon, you silly.

In which campaign setting is that?

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weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote in news:Q_-dnUXk1eyB7k3dRVn-
jw@comcast.com:

> How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
> campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
> to Dragonlance later.
>

Soth was created for the Dragonlance chonicles, but, through the setting of
Raveloft, which is a "brider world" between the many various Worlds
belonging to TSR, he became a part of Raveloft (because he fits in better
there.) and as such, can move between the various planes of existence.
 
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:22:40 -0500, in rec.games.frp.dnd
weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:

>In article <4769522f.0406170241.43fac06a@posting.google.com>,
>nockermensch@hotmail.com wrote:
>>weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>
>>> How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
>>> campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
>>> to Dragonlance later.
>>
>>He's from that Dungeons & Dragons cartoon, you silly.
>
>In which campaign setting is that?

It was retrofitted into FR by a comic book (a free promo giveaway
IIRC), where the characters from the cartoon were still stuck and were
in their 20s (again, IIRC).

Bill
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weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote in message news:<MqOdndO27J0NYEzdRVn-jA@comcast.com>...
> In article <4769522f.0406170241.43fac06a@posting.google.com>,
> nockermensch@hotmail.com wrote:
> >weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>
> >> How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
> >> campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
> >> to Dragonlance later.
> >
> >He's from that Dungeons & Dragons cartoon, you silly.
>
> In which campaign setting is that?

Saturday Morning Land, where magical bows shot entangling cords and
the best use for a magical club is to pound the ground to create
earthquakes.

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something akin to the Tarrasque on PMS
 
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"Eyebyte" <rbrouwer@removethis.rogers.com> wrote in message news:<sfhAc.303699$Ar.131991@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
> "Nockermensch" <nockermensch@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4769522f.0406170241.43fac06a@posting.google.com...
> > weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote in message
> news:<Q_-dnUXk1eyB7k3dRVn-jw@comcast.com>...
> > > How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
> > > campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
> > > to Dragonlance later.
> >
> > He's from that Dungeons & Dragons cartoon, you silly.
>
> Dekkion...made a death knight by the big evil dude because...something about
> his family or something. For some reason the name Dekkion is about all I
> remember about the cartoon entirely...I could even be wrong about the name.
> That would pre-date DL...not sure on the FF though.

Dekkion was a Skeletal Warrior, not a Death Knight. He betrayed the
Celestial Knights, and Venger made him into a Skeletal Warrior. Sad to
say, I have all the episodes, and I watch them, too. ;-)


Ralph Glatt

Member, Old Farts Club
 
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weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote in message news:<MqOdndO27J0NYEzdRVn-jA@comcast.com>...
> In article <4769522f.0406170241.43fac06a@posting.google.com>,
> nockermensch@hotmail.com wrote:
> >weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>
> >> How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
> >> campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
> >> to Dragonlance later.
> >
> >He's from that Dungeons & Dragons cartoon, you silly.
>
> In which campaign setting is that?

The cartoon had very little to do with real D&D, unfortunately. None
of the published settings were used in the cartoon.


Ralph Glatt

Member, Old Farts Club
 
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Tim Fitzmaurice <tjf11@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<Pine.SOL.3.96.1040617084233.11571E-100000@libra.cus.cam.ac.uk>...
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Ubiquitous wrote:
>
> > How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
> > campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
> > to Dragonlance later.
>
> Er he did? I coulda sworn I had stats for him in DL well before I got the
> 1st Ed Realms box set....
>
> The first DK reference I had was Fiend Folio but I dont know if my
> personal chronology fits the release chronology.
>
> Tim

You wouldn't happen to be an Enchanter, would you? ;-)

First mention of Death Knights was indeed the Fiend Folio, which
predates both Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance.

Leave it to an old fart to have all the answers. ;-p



Ralph Glatt

Member, Old Farts Club
 
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"Sean" <SV_So@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns950B9E0DB767FSVSocomcastnet@204.127.204.17...
> weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote in news:Q_-dnUXk1eyB7k3dRVn-
> jw@comcast.com:
>
> > How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
> > campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
> > to Dragonlance later.
> >
>
> Soth was created for the Dragonlance chonicles, but, through the setting
of
> Raveloft, which is a "brider world" between the many various Worlds
> belonging to TSR, he became a part of Raveloft (because he fits in better
> there.) and as such, can move between the various planes of existence.

Can't people in Ravenloft specifically _not_ move between other planes? I
thought the mists kept anyone entering Ravenloft from leaving under any
normal (as in, not by using ascension to godhood to remake the form of the
demiplane itself) circumstances.
 
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Ralph Glatt startled all and sundry by ejaculating the following words of
wisdom

> First mention of Death Knights was indeed the Fiend Folio, which
> predates both Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance.
>
> Leave it to an old fart to have all the answers. ;-p

I had a feeling it was in a early White Dwarf magazine as well but I can't
be bothered looking.

--
Rob Singers
"All your Ron are belong to us"
 
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"Justin Hilyard" <rpg@eoni.com> wrote in message
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| "Sean" <SV_So@comcast.net> wrote in message
| news:Xns950B9E0DB767FSVSocomcastnet@204.127.204.17...
| > weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote in news:Q_-dnUXk1eyB7k3dRVn-
| > jw@comcast.com:
| >
| > > How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
| > > campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but
moved
| > > to Dragonlance later.
| > >
| >
| > Soth was created for the Dragonlance chonicles, but, through the
setting
| of
| > Raveloft, which is a "brider world" between the many various Worlds
| > belonging to TSR, he became a part of Raveloft (because he fits in
better
| > there.) and as such, can move between the various planes of existence.
|
| Can't people in Ravenloft specifically _not_ move between other planes?
I
| thought the mists kept anyone entering Ravenloft from leaving under any
| normal (as in, not by using ascension to godhood to remake the form of
the
| demiplane itself) circumstances.

If I recall correctly, Lord Soth has free reign to move back and forth as
he wishes.

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Robert Singers <rsingers@finger.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns950D65E9E273Arsingers@IP-Hidden>...
> Ralph Glatt startled all and sundry by ejaculating the following words of
> wisdom
>
> > First mention of Death Knights was indeed the Fiend Folio, which
> > predates both Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance.
> >
> > Leave it to an old fart to have all the answers. ;-p
>
> I had a feeling it was in a early White Dwarf magazine as well but I can't
> be bothered looking.

Ah, might be. I did check the Dragon magazine archives, first mention
there was in an article about the Fiend Folio.


Ralph Glatt

Member, Old Farts Club
 
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julian814@hotmail.com (Ralph Glatt) wrote in
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> weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote in message
> news:<MqOdndO27J0NYEzdRVn-jA@comcast.com>...
>> In article <4769522f.0406170241.43fac06a@posting.google.com>,
>> nockermensch@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>>
>> >> How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the
>> >> various campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the
>> >> Realms but moved to Dragonlance later.
>> >
>> >He's from that Dungeons & Dragons cartoon, you silly.
>>
>> In which campaign setting is that?
>
> The cartoon had very little to do with real D&D, unfortunately. None
> of the published settings were used in the cartoon.
>
>
> Ralph Glatt
>
> Member, Old Farts Club
>

Well when the cartoon was being created, TSR really didn't have that
many published worlds to choose from ...
 
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:13:43 -0700, "Justin Hilyard" <rpg@eoni.com>
wrote:

>
>"Sean" <SV_So@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:Xns950B9E0DB767FSVSocomcastnet@204.127.204.17...
>> weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote in news:Q_-dnUXk1eyB7k3dRVn-
>> jw@comcast.com:
>>
>> > How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
>> > campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
>> > to Dragonlance later.
>> >
>>
>> Soth was created for the Dragonlance chonicles, but, through the setting
>of
>> Raveloft, which is a "brider world" between the many various Worlds
>> belonging to TSR, he became a part of Raveloft (because he fits in better
>> there.) and as such, can move between the various planes of existence.
>
>Can't people in Ravenloft specifically _not_ move between other planes? I
>thought the mists kept anyone entering Ravenloft from leaving under any
>normal (as in, not by using ascension to godhood to remake the form of the
>demiplane itself) circumstances.
>

Yes, but people can move _into_ it rather more easily than they'd
like.
 
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On 18 Jun 2004, Ralph Glatt wrote:

> Tim Fitzmaurice <tjf11@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<Pine.SOL.3.96.1040617084233.11571E-100000@libra.cus.cam.ac.uk>...
> > On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Ubiquitous wrote:
> > The first DK reference I had was Fiend Folio but I dont know if my
> > personal chronology fits the release chronology.
> >
> > Tim
>
> You wouldn't happen to be an Enchanter, would you? ;-)

No, for merely many people know me as Tim, not some....

> First mention of Death Knights was indeed the Fiend Folio, which
> predates both Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance.

Well my sanity level creeps back towards levels where I have not heard of
Cthulu then :)

> Leave it to an old fart to have all the answers. ;-p

Is it all the index cards needed to assist the failing eyes and dodgy
memory.... :)

Tim
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Death Knights in general are first mentioned in the Fiend Folio

HOWEVER,

Lord Soth is a creation in Dragonlance, who, for a time, was trapped in
Ravenloft in his own realm.

He was then able to leave and then return to Ansalon.
 
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"Tarrax Ironwolf" <psyberwolfREM@VEiwon.com> wrote in
news😀ePAc.25710$eH1.12029122@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com:

>
> If I recall correctly, Lord Soth has free reign to move back and
> forth as he wishes.
>

No. Absolutely not. After a visit in Barovia (Count Strahd von
Zarovich's domain), he gets his own domain-prison (Sithicus)....
and....

***spoiler below********





















*************

.......at the end of the second novel pertaining to his (un)life in
Ravenloft, "Spectre of the Black Rose", he returns to Krynn as Sithicus
is destroyed!!!!! He is officially back in Dragonlance now.
 
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MpanaHs <not@valid.com> wrote in news:cbb5gj$149l$1@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr:

> "Tarrax Ironwolf" <psyberwolfREM@VEiwon.com> wrote in
> news😀ePAc.25710$eH1.12029122@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com:
>
>>
>> If I recall correctly, Lord Soth has free reign to move back and
>> forth as he wishes.
>>
>
> No. Absolutely not. After a visit in Barovia (Count Strahd von
> Zarovich's domain), he gets his own domain-prison (Sithicus)....
> and....
>
> ***spoiler below********
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> *************
>
> ......at the end of the second novel pertaining to his (un)life in
> Ravenloft, "Spectre of the Black Rose", he returns to Krynn as
Sithicus
> is destroyed!!!!! He is officially back in Dragonlance now.
>

Except that James has a unpublished novel with him back in Ravenloft ...
 
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I meet Lort Soth for the first time i a Dragon Lance book, then later He get
"teleport" to the realms of Ravenloft...
I have NEVER meet him in the Forgotten Realms

Brian
DK


"Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in message
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> How did the Death Knight get introduced (and migrate) to the various
> campaign settings? For example, Soth originated in the Realms but moved
> to Dragonlance later.
>
> --
> ======================================================================
> ISLAM: Winning the hearts and minds of the world, one bomb at a time.
>
 
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:02:40 +0200, in rec.games.frp.dnd "Brian
Jensen" <BJ82@jensen.tdcadsl.dk> wrote:

>I meet Lort Soth for the first time i a Dragon Lance book, then later He get
>"teleport" to the realms of Ravenloft...
>I have NEVER meet him in the Forgotten Realms
>

I meet him in my back yard for 'smores.

Bill
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