Question The Ideal SSD and setup ?

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I am looking to upgrading my PC.

My next PC is going to be a Mini ITX build with 2 M.2 SSDs. I am buying a Ryzen 7600 to wait for Zen 5.

The primary M.2 SSD is going to be a PCIe 5.0 with 14GB/s - 15GB/s read speed at 500GB - 1TB size. This is going to store the OS, maybe some game dev projects if I get a Game Dev job, and maybe one next-gen game that I am actively playing. I know such SSD doesn't exist, yet.

The secondary M.2 SSD is going to be at least PCIe 3.0 with 3.5GB/s read speed at 1TB - 2TB size. This is going to store other files, non-game software dev projects. This is also going to be my temporary primary SSD before a good PCIe 5.0 SSD arrives.

I dislike DRAM-less or the SLC cache-type SSD. I would like my write speed to stay good until the death of the SSD.

Do you know any good SSD that fits? I prefer PCIe 4.0 with 7GB/s - 7.5GB/s SSDs, but I can do with PCIe 3.0 ones if they are significantly cheaper.

Thank you in advance.
 
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Do you know any good SSD that fits? I prefer PCIe 4.0 with 7GB/s - 7.5GB/s SSDs, but I can do with PCIe 3.0 ones if they are significantly cheaper.

I agree with the above reply.

Samsung 990 Pro... 2TB version is $190 right now.

A nice alternative is the 2TB 970 Evo Plus. Currently $130.

I'm running 4 of each. 👍
 
I'm also running 970 Evo Plus 2TB as my OS drive. :sol:

For OP: Do note that 970 Evo Plus is PCI-E 3.0 drive.
Nice.
The 990's are my main drives and the 970's are leftovers from previous build because with SSD prices being as low as they are rather than sell them for maybe $50 each it made more sense to keep them via a PCIE 3.0 enclosure. For me an extra 8TB of nvme storage is more valuable than $200 even if it takes me 3 years to actually need the space.
 
Okay, so apparently, I had no idea what I was talking about.

It turns out every SSD uses SLC cache, meaning that sustained write speeds will suffer. So, apparently, my standards were too high lmao.

990 Pro is good from the first glance, but it is quite expensive here. $140 for 1TB and $240 for 2TB.

I found a local SSD. It costs $150 for 2TB, which is insane. It has Innogrit IG5236 controller, the same controller as the Adata S70 Blade, a popular PS5 replacement SSD. The SSD should perform the same as S70 Blade since it has the same controller.

What do you think of the controller? Or the S70 Blade?
 
It turns out every SSD uses SLC cache

Not every M.2 NVMe SSD. E.g Samsung 980 doesn't have DRAM cache.
specs: https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/internal-ssd/980/
review: https://www.servethehome.com/samsung-980-1tb-dram-less-nvme-ssd-review/
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/mKBG3C,VMbTwP,m6rRsY/

I have Samsung 980 1TB as OS drive in my missus'es PC (Haswell, full specs with pics in my sig).
Do note that 980 is also PCI-E 3.0 drive.

990 Pro is good from the first glance, but it is quite expensive here. $140 for 1TB and $240 for 2TB.

The Best will cost accordingly.

Or the S70 Blade?

If you pay peanuts - you will get monkeys.

As far as S70 Blade goes, it's build quality is questionable and i wouldn't put much trust on it's reliability.
Review: https://www.techradar.com/reviews/a...ade-review-outclasses-its-pricier-competition

To me, drive reliability is #1, since my data lives there. Thus, Samsung is the best option. WD would be 2nd option, only when no Samsung drive isn't available (which is next to impossible). Due to that, i'm almost exclusively using Samsung drives (both M.2 and 2.5" SATA). Only one drive i have, Crucial MX500 1TB, still remains which isn't Samsung. Also, i won't be buying any Adata products again. Last one was USB thumb drive that died within 1 year. Currently using Kingston USB thumb drive that still works, 4+ years after purchase.

So, your call. If you don't care about your personal data and are fine loosing all of it, by cheaping out on M.2 NVMe SSD - go ahead.
 
The Best will cost accordingly.

Truer words have never been spoken. 👍 👍

To me, drive reliability is #1, since my data lives there. Thus, Samsung is the best option.

So, your call. If you don't care about your personal data and are fine loosing all of it, by cheaping out on M.2 NVMe SSD - go ahead.

Agreed.
 
Be careful with the 990 Pro.
They recently had a firmware debacle that was causing drive failures and extensive premature wearing. If you do get it update the firmware immediately.

See here - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-990-pro-firmware-update-released-ssd-health

Also, there are several alternatives to the 990 Pro that offer comparable (or better) performance at around the same cost. Drives from Western Digital, Seagate, Kingston, Silicon Power, etc.
 
I am looking to upgrading my PC.

My next PC is going to be a Mini ITX build with 2 M.2 SSDs. I am buying a Ryzen 7600 to wait for Zen 5.

The primary M.2 SSD is going to be a PCIe 5.0 with 14GB/s - 15GB/s read speed at 500GB - 1TB size. This is going to store the OS, maybe some game dev projects if I get a Game Dev job, and maybe one next-gen game that I am actively playing. I know such SSD doesn't exist, yet.

The secondary M.2 SSD is going to be at least PCIe 3.0 with 3.5GB/s read speed at 1TB - 2TB size. This is going to store other files, non-game software dev projects. This is also going to be my temporary primary SSD before a good PCIe 5.0 SSD arrives.

I dislike DRAM-less or the SLC cache-type SSD. I would like my write speed to stay good until the death of the SSD.

Do you know any good SSD that fits? I prefer PCIe 4.0 with 7GB/s - 7.5GB/s SSDs, but I can do with PCIe 3.0 ones if they are significantly cheaper.

Thank you in advance.
Those read speeds will look great on benchmarks, but will have millisecond impacts in the real world, IMO.
 
Be careful with the 990 Pro.
They recently had a firmware debacle that was causing drive failures and extensive premature wearing. If you do get it update the firmware immediately.

See here - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-990-pro-firmware-update-released-ssd-health

JayzTwoCents also covered it nicely:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoAFzdz0h5M


Since almost everyone would do firmware update when getting new drive regardless, this issue is minor. Could be issue if drive is from that specific series with that specific firmaware and when user doesn't update the firmware.
 
Not every M.2 NVMe SSD. E.g Samsung 980 doesn't have DRAM cache.
specs: https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/internal-ssd/980/
review: https://www.servethehome.com/samsung-980-1tb-dram-less-nvme-ssd-review/
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/mKBG3C,VMbTwP,m6rRsY/

I have Samsung 980 1TB as OS drive in my missus'es PC (Haswell, full specs with pics in my sig).
Do note that 980 is also PCI-E 3.0 drive.



The Best will cost accordingly.



If you pay peanuts - you will get monkeys.

As far as S70 Blade goes, it's build quality is questionable and i wouldn't put much trust on it's reliability.
Review: https://www.techradar.com/reviews/a...ade-review-outclasses-its-pricier-competition

To me, drive reliability is #1, since my data lives there. Thus, Samsung is the best option. WD would be 2nd option, only when no Samsung drive isn't available (which is next to impossible). Due to that, i'm almost exclusively using Samsung drives (both M.2 and 2.5" SATA). Only one drive i have, Crucial MX500 1TB, still remains which isn't Samsung. Also, i won't be buying any Adata products again. Last one was USB thumb drive that died within 1 year. Currently using Kingston USB thumb drive that still works, 4+ years after purchase.

So, your call. If you don't care about your personal data and are fine loosing all of it, by cheaping out on M.2 NVMe SSD - go ahead.
This comment sounds really emotional and personal.


Anyway, don't get me wrong. I take your advice into account, believe me. However,

When I pay more for something, I want more. So far, from the review of the 990 Pro, I saw no reason why I should pick the 990 Pro over the Adata S70 (by the way, just a reminder, I am NOT buying Adata S70. I am showing S70 because it has the exact same controller as the local SSD that I found).

The 990 Pro promised 6.9GB/s write speed, but only achieved 6.2GB/s max write speed. The S70 only promised 6.4GB/s, but reached 6.8GB/s.
The S70 has an almost 3 times bigger SLC cache than the 990 Pro.
The S70 has higher TBW than the 990 Pro.
The 990 Pro has better random speed than the S70, but I expect that, since the former is more expensive.

Does this sound like "the best" to you?

This would be fine if the 990 Pro didn't cost a premium, but it does, around 50% more.

And as another person mentioned, the drive isn't free of major problems despite the premium price tag.

This has always been my problem with Samsung SSDs, and why I have almost no desire to buy any of Samsung SSDs.
 
This has always been my problem with Samsung SSDs, and why I have almost no desire to buy any of Samsung SSDs.

This comment sounds really emotional and personal.

Thanks for citing the TBW too. I mean… that is totally the first thing I look at when I am considering an SSD… a number that 99% of users will NEVER reach.

😂😂😂
 
I'd understand having "the best", if the use cases were actually going to be exercising it. But the only use case I can think of where having "the best" NVMe SSD would shine is a data center.

But if getting "the best" helps you sleep at night, who am I to judge?

I got the 990 Pros for the simple fact that they were at the top of pretty much every review list I saw… were priced at $189 which was amazing considering I paid $250 each for my 970 Evo Plus drives just 2 years ago.

Yay for price drops… and I’ve never had an issue with my Samsung drives… nor have I ever come close to the TBW limit. 😂
 
Anyway, don't get me wrong. I take your advice into account, believe me. However,

When I pay more for something, I want more. So far, from the review of the 990 Pro, I saw no reason why I should pick the 990 Pro over the Adata S70 (by the way, just a reminder, I am NOT buying Adata S70. I am showing S70 because it has the exact same controller as the local SSD that I found).

The 990 Pro promised 6.9GB/s write speed, but only achieved 6.2GB/s max write speed. The S70 only promised 6.4GB/s, but reached 6.8GB/s.
The S70 has an almost 3 times bigger SLC cache than the 990 Pro.
The S70 has higher TBW than the 990 Pro.
The 990 Pro has better random speed than the S70, but I expect that, since the former is more expensive.

Does this sound like "the best" to you?

This would be fine if the 990 Pro didn't cost a premium, but it does, around 50% more.

And as another person mentioned, the drive isn't free of major problems despite the premium price tag.

This has always been my problem with Samsung SSDs, and why I have almost no desire to buy any of Samsung SSDs.

You asked for an advice and i gave it to you. If 990 Pro is too expensive for you, 970 Evo Plus is also a very solid choice. Cheaper too.

In terms of read/write speeds, you can not tell a diff between PCI-E 3.0 and PCI-E 4.0 drives, despite the theoretical bandwidth being double. Only place where you can tell a diff, is in drive benchmarks (you'll get higher score).

When it comes to drives, you'll see biggest diff coming from 3.5" HDD to 2.5" SSD. There, diff in loading times is easily measured in seconds, where 2.5" SSD can be up to 10x faster than 3.5" HDD (7200 RPM) even more so if HDD is 5400 RPM.
Small diff can be seen when coming from 2.5" SATA SSD to M.2 NVMe (PCI-E 3.0) SSD. There, diff at best, is 1-2 seconds. Some see the diff, some don't.
And as i said above, diff between PCI-E 3.0 and PCI-E 4.0 can't be seen, since it's in milliseconds, if even that.

So, it's up to you if you want to have bigger numbers, without 0 real world difference.


As far as brand goes, that's individual taste. But i prefer to use a brand who has great reputation and who's hardware has been tried, tested and proven to be reliable.
So, lets take Samsung and Adata as comparison.

Founded in 1969, Samsung is household name when it comes to SSDs. On top of that, Samsung is also an OEM, who specializes in research and manufacture of everything to do with flash NAND, among other ventures Samsung does. Samsung is world's #1 flash NAND brand, holding top position since 2003.

Founded in 2001, Adata is a brand who also manufacturers flash NAND, being biggest competitor to Samsung. And since Adata can't compete with Samsung when it comes to performance/reliability, they do the 2nd best thing - cheap price. Hence why Adata products are more appealing than Samsung products, because they are cheaper.

Thing is, if Adata cheap products are as good (or better) than more expensive Samsung drives, Samsung would've been out of business long time ago. Since why pay more for same, right? Yet, Samsung is going strong and is #1 in world at many aspects. So.... how come? 🤔


My personal experience:
Like i said, i have many Samsung drives in use, between my PCs. Those include: 2.5" Samsung 850 Evo (500GB), 2.5" Samsung 860 Evo (500GB), 2x 2.5" Samsung 870 Evo (1TB), 2x 2.5" Samsung 870 Evo (2TB), Samsung 960 Evo (500GB), Samsung 970 Evo Plus (2TB), Samsung 980 (1TB). And my phone is also Samsung, Galaxy A52S 5G.
Besides the drives, i also like Samsung Data Migration Tool, that i can use to easily clone over my stuff, from old drives to new Samsung drives. And also Samsung Magician, to keep tabs on my Samsung drives (firmware updates, temps, drive benchmarks etc).

I also once did buy Adata USB thumb drive, since i needed one. Thing died within a year, spewing data corruption errors and what not. Threw it away and that was the last time i looked towards cheap brand. Went with Kingston USB thumb drive next, which still is working perfectly, 4+ years later. If a brand can't even make a simple device reliable, then i won't be spending my money on a far important hardware within same brand.

Before i dedicated myself to Samsung SSDs, i was using Western Digital HDDs and based on good review of Crucial MX500 SSD (link), i also bought it, in 1TB size. Sure, MX500, at that time, had almost equal performance to Samsung 850 Evo, while costing considerably less. So, decided to give it a try.
What the review doesn't tell, is that when you fill up MX500, it will bog down, considerably. Found it out the hard way, by myself. Proof here: link (my UserBenchmark run from that time, with MX500 having 186 GB free). Then again, i payed far less for MX500 than Samsung 850 Evo, at that time, costed. So, lesson learned and i went with Samsung drive next. With Samsung drive, there weren't (and still hasn't been) any such terrible bog downs when drive is filled, as i had with far cheaper drive.
Hence why, i, personally, prefer Samsung drives. Sure, Samsung costs more but that's the inherit nature of all hardware; if you want to have good and cheap drive, you have to buy two drives - the cheap one and the good one. I did buy a cheap drive, learned my lesson and now, i'm buying good drives.

Like i said earlier, your money and your data. If you don't want to pay premium for Samsung drive, go with the local (no-name) SSD you found. In the end, your data lives there and it's up to you to decide, how valuable your data is for you.
I, personally, care a lot about my data and thus, am willing to pay top dollar for the best reliability there is. I also have several backups (both online and offline), just in case the drive(s) should die.

I'd understand having "the best", if the use cases were actually going to be exercising it. But the only use case I can think of where having "the best" NVMe SSD would shine is a data center.

But if getting "the best" helps you sleep at night, who am I to judge?
It's common for people to get far better hardware than what they actually use it for. This is especially true with GPUs. A lot of people are buying far beefier and expensive GPUs than they actually "need".

E.g for 1080p gaming, which GPU you'd buy?
 
I would get that latest Drive from crucial if you have PCIE 5
It’s supposed to be the fastest one
 
It's common for people to get far better hardware than what they actually use it for. This is especially true with GPUs. A lot of people are buying far beefier and expensive GPUs than they actually "need".

E.g for 1080p gaming, which GPU you'd buy?
While to a degree, I understand that this, I would argue there needs to be more context as to why such a purchase was made. A lot of people will likely buy something much more powerful if they can afford it, because people know that over time, using a computer tends to demand more powerful hardware. So instead of needing to buy a computer say every 3 years, they can get one that'll last them 5+ (heck, I think some people are going on 10+). Something like this I can understand.

However, there's some points with hardware where, no matter what the person does, they'll never exceed those requirement. And sure you could argue that people's needs may change, but planning for a future that may or may not come when money's on the line is something I'd find silly.

Also to answer your question, if I wasn't such a graphics whore already, I'd probably settle for an RX 6600.
 
So instead of needing to buy a computer say every 3 years, they can get one that'll last them 5+ (heck, I think some people are going on 10+). Something like this I can understand.

Also to answer your question, if I wasn't such a graphics whore already, I'd probably settle for an RX 6600.

I'm the same way... total graphics whore. Spoiled by an OLED display in my home theater and it carried over to my PC gaming.

I got nearly 4 years out of my 2017 build... 7700k... 1080 Ti.

My 2021 build was a 10900k with 3090 and I only got 2 years out of it... mainly because I saw that the 4090 was such a huge generational improvement over the 3090 and I was like "I gotta have that." The numbers don't lie either... My 3Dmark comparisons between the 2 systems are showing 70-80% improvement.

That is just nuts.

As for this new build... I would love to get 5 years out of it. That's one of the reasons I went AM5 over Intel's dead LGA 1700. I'm pretty sure I won't be doing much to this system other than maybe swapping the CPU for an 8000 series later.

Youtube is full of videos of people complaining about the current state of the GPU market and the high prices. I've had many tell me "you're the problem with the GPU market."

Why? Because I bought a 4090 for $1700? I want the best... and while I do miss the days of the $699 flagship GPU I think everyone knows those days are long gone and the current prices are here to stay. So if you want the best you pay the price... and if you choose not to that's fine... but don't bash other people for how they choose to spend their money.
 
You asked for an advice and i gave it to you. If 990 Pro is too expensive for you, 970 Evo Plus is also a very solid choice. Cheaper too.
I checked, and the 970 Evo Plus costs $10 cheaper than the local SSD. I'll think about it.

In terms of read/write speeds, you can not tell a diff between PCI-E 3.0 and PCI-E 4.0 drives, despite the theoretical bandwidth being double. Only place where you can tell a diff, is in drive benchmarks (you'll get higher score).

When it comes to drives, you'll see biggest diff coming from 3.5" HDD to 2.5" SSD. There, diff in loading times is easily measured in seconds, where 2.5" SSD can be up to 10x faster than 3.5" HDD (7200 RPM) even more so if HDD is 5400 RPM.
Small diff can be seen when coming from 2.5" SATA SSD to M.2 NVMe (PCI-E 3.0) SSD. There, diff at best, is 1-2 seconds. Some see the diff, some don't.
And as i said above, diff between PCI-E 3.0 and PCI-E 4.0 can't be seen, since it's in milliseconds, if even that.

So, it's up to you if you want to have bigger numbers, without 0 real world difference.
This is going to age like milk. DirectStorage will utilize PCIe SSDs' speed pretty well. They already leave the SATA SSDs buried in the dirt, with around 5-6 times faster loading speed. Whether or not PCIe 5.0's speed will be utilized in gaming depends on how willing Microsoft is to bring support for PCIe 5.0 SSDs (and "betraying" the Xbox platform because they still use PCIe 4.0).

My personal experience:
Like i said, i have many Samsung drives in use, between my PCs. Those include: 2.5" Samsung 850 Evo (500GB), 2.5" Samsung 860 Evo (500GB), 2x 2.5" Samsung 870 Evo (1TB), 2x 2.5" Samsung 870 Evo (2TB), Samsung 960 Evo (500GB), Samsung 970 Evo Plus (2TB), Samsung 980 (1TB). And my phone is also Samsung, Galaxy A52S 5G.
Besides the drives, i also like Samsung Data Migration Tool, that i can use to easily clone over my stuff, from old drives to new Samsung drives. And also Samsung Magician, to keep tabs on my Samsung drives (firmware updates, temps, drive benchmarks etc).

I also once did buy Adata USB thumb drive, since i needed one. Thing died within a year, spewing data corruption errors and what not. Threw it away and that was the last time i looked towards cheap brand. Went with Kingston USB thumb drive next, which still is working perfectly, 4+ years later. If a brand can't even make a simple device reliable, then i won't be spending my money on a far important hardware within same brand.

Before i dedicated myself to Samsung SSDs, i was using Western Digital HDDs and based on good review of Crucial MX500 SSD (link), i also bought it, in 1TB size. Sure, MX500, at that time, had almost equal performance to Samsung 850 Evo, while costing considerably less. So, decided to give it a try.
What the review doesn't tell, is that when you fill up MX500, it will bog down, considerably. Found it out the hard way, by myself. Proof here: link (my UserBenchmark run from that time, with MX500 having 186 GB free). Then again, i payed far less for MX500 than Samsung 850 Evo, at that time, costed. So, lesson learned and i went with Samsung drive next. With Samsung drive, there weren't (and still hasn't been) any such terrible bog downs when drive is filled, as i had with far cheaper drive.
Hence why, i, personally, prefer Samsung drives. Sure, Samsung costs more but that's the inherit nature of all hardware; if you want to have good and cheap drive, you have to buy two drives - the cheap one and the good one. I did buy a cheap drive, learned my lesson and now, i'm buying good drives.
Before using anecdotes, make sure other anecdotes support yours. It only took 2 minutes of browsing UserBenchmark for me to find lots of anecdotes that contradict yours, with significantly less available spaces like 40-60GB having good performance. The problem with your disk is most likely its age, not its free space.

Like I said, I take your advice into account. Maybe if Samsung drives aren't that overpriced here, I will buy them.
 
Why? Because I bought a 4090 for $1700?
Yes.
but don't bash other people for how they choose to spend their money.
I don't know what your definition of freedom of speech is, but mine is:

You can do whatever you want.
I can comment whatever I want on it.
You can comment on me commenting on you.
I can comment on you commenting on me commenting on you.

As long as the comment is not blatantly false.

If you believe the comment on you buying 4090 for $1700 is not true, you can ignore it. However, if you learn psychology, you'll know that:
1. Humans are not good at lying to themselves, and
2. They will feel the need to defend things that they decide, even if they realize that they're not the best decisions.

To get it back to the PC and storage topic, I experienced this, too.

My first (current) PC build has a GTX 1070. I have no regrets with that purchase. Great stuff.
However, I regret purchasing Ryzen 1500X instead of 1600X and a HDD instead of a SATA SSD. I did tell myself that it was fine, but it was not fine. I had to suffer with loading times for 5 years. That's why this time, it won't happen again. I will buy the fastest storage solutions.
 
I don't know what your definition of freedom of speech is, but mine is:

Stopped reading there.

This thread has definitely run its course. You ask for advice... get it... and then go on about Samsung and their prices while writing snarky comments like "This comment sounds really emotional and personal" which makes it look like you are trying to get a rise out of people.

By all means... cheap out on your drives. While you're at it might as well cheap out on the power supply too. Nobody cares.

Best of luck. I'm outta here.
 
The problem with your disk is most likely its age, not its free space.

I did that UserBenchmark run within 7 days of my MX500 purchase to see how it fares. After i've migrated my stuff over to it, that is.

I don't know what your definition of freedom of speech is, but mine is:

You can do whatever you want.
I can comment whatever I want on it.
You can comment on me commenting on you.
I can comment on you commenting on me commenting on you.

Privately owned sites, like Tom's Hardware, do not have freedom of speech, nor does freedom of speech laws apply here. So, no, you can not comment whatever you want. You have to abide by the rules of Tom's Hardware.


While to a degree, I understand that this, I would argue there needs to be more context as to why such a purchase was made. A lot of people will likely buy something much more powerful if they can afford it, because people know that over time, using a computer tends to demand more powerful hardware. So instead of needing to buy a computer say every 3 years, they can get one that'll last them 5+ (heck, I think some people are going on 10+). Something like this I can understand.

However, there's some points with hardware where, no matter what the person does, they'll never exceed those requirement. And sure you could argue that people's needs may change, but planning for a future that may or may not come when money's on the line is something I'd find silly.

Also to answer your question, if I wasn't such a graphics whore already, I'd probably settle for an RX 6600.

TH isn't quite the site to contemplate over why one bought this or that. Be it money, desire, bragging rights, knowledge, lack of knowledge etc. Doesn't really matter. And if you're going to tell people what they must buy based on what they need vs what they want, you'll hit the wall pretty fast.

All i do, is share my knowledge about the hardware and give out suggestions, whereby final decision is still made by OP.

Regarding my own build (Skylake, full specs with pics in my sig), i'm running 6th gen Intel (bought it in 2016) and since i upgraded my monitor in 2019 to 1080p 144Hz one, in 2020, i upgraded my GPU from GTX 1060 3GB to GTX 1660 Ti. Because for 1080p 144Hz gaming, i don't need any better GPU. One step up would've been RTX 2060 but that would've merit 2K monitor.
To my needs, my PC can do all i ask for it and i don't have a need for beefier one (be it CPU, RAM or GPU).
 

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