The Pentium-D 820 mystery -- apparently not compatible wit..

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On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:35:32 +0100, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com>
wrote:

>No. I do not live in that totalitarian state known as the USA.

The US is not a totalitarian dictatorship like Britain - not yet
anyway. It is a fascist dictatorship.

The distinguishing feature is we have a fully-populated political
spectrum, from Farleft to FarRight. That alone keeps us from being
totalitarian.

Britain, on the other hand, has no Right - despite the fantasy that
they think they do. Thatcher was a gun-grabbing leftist no different
from any of the leftists before her. The closest anyone in British
politics comes to the Right is Ann Widdecome. Yet she too supports
socialized medicine which disqualifies here from being truly on the
Right.

Therefore Britain has no political opposition parties - everyone of
the parties is leftist, including the BNP.

 

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> > Seems as if big-brothers Intel and M$$ have our true interests
> > at heart :--
> >
> > http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915
>
> this topic is of IMMENSE IMPORTANCE!
> let me repeat... of immense importance!
> you should have "broken" the thread instead of only renaming
> the subject...
> i totally oppose any kind of hardware drm implementation, so
> this move by intel only gives me more arguments to support
> AMD the now best cpu maker for the pc

Bill Gates will finally get his wish "to make the Chinese finally PAY for
software."

This is an issue that is not going to go away. Why? Because the overwhelming
majority of PC buyers are average Joe Americans who spend too much time
watching TV "reality" shows and "American Idol" and not enough time paying
attention to where the nation is going, if any.

DRM will get slipped in, just as "activation" and "dongles" got slipped
in--a phased approach over time. How? By dangling carrots in front of us. In
order to use that fantastic new software that you have your eye on, you'll
need Intels new DRM chip to run it. Eventually, Microsoft's Palladium core
will appear in a major OS release, and the marriage between Intel and
Microsoft will be consummated. And Apple is next... to get Intel chips. The
Mac won't be impervious to this menace. With it's announcement recently that
it will be ditching the PowerPC chips in favor of Intel CPUs, the new
relationship, in light of this DRM issue, takes on an ominous overtone.

In short, I think it's going to be a reality, and will eventually get
accepted by the masses and grudgingly accepted by the power users, as they
find themselves left behind running yesteryear's software. With HDTV coming
of age, and the coming crop of HDTV editing applications for PCs, the carrot
will be a big one. One could conceivably be forced to buy one of these Intel
DRM'ed chips and a new MS OS with Palladium, in order to run the new HDTV
editing programs. It's that, or be left in the stone age of standard def TV
editing on Windows 2000/XP.

The only hope of slowing this down would be a big public education campaign.
But with the corporate-controlled media, that will not happen.


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Yet another Via screw-up......

See:-

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20050603042038.html

Via's recent chipset history in terms of compatibility with either
CPUs or GPUs has been less than rosy. Lousy or hurried QC
probably....

John Lewis

 

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See:-

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/index.html

for all the sordid details.

( If you are browsing the 'live' pages in this report, frequently
refresh them in your browser ! Otherwise you are likely to be looking
at stale cached information.... )

AMD's dual-core keeps chugging along in the midst of the Intel
debacle. In the earlier tests when SLI was actually fully running, a
maximum temperature of 60 degrees C for the AMD 4800+ X2
(99% loaded both cores) was recorded. No AMD crashes. The Intel
Extreme 840 CPU also in SLI mode, (and between frequent crashes)
recorded a temperature of 68 degrees C. That was before THG's test
people gave up on SLI in the midst of fried Intel-compatible
motherboards. More likely another MB power-regulator failure than SLI
chip-set failure in the case of the nvidia Northbridge getting very
hot.... Seems as if some third-party "dual-core-compatible" Intel MBs
cannot survive the power-drain of a fully-loaded Extreme-840 CPU...

BTW, the Intel recommended maximum temp for the Extreme-840
processor is 69.8 degrees C.... 68 degrees during the SLI tests is
running just a little too close....

Intel desktop dual-core processors are obviously not ready for
prime-time and probably never will be while based on the P4 Netburst
architecture and an external memory controller.

A good time to buy stock in companies providing beefy and reliable PC
power-supplies, advanced PC cooling solutions and room
air-conditioners. Buy the products yourself if you ever go the Intel
dual-core route.

John Lewis

 

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"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:42a91291.27259011@news.verizon.net...
>
> See:-
>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/index.html
>
> for all the sordid details.
>
> ( If you are browsing the 'live' pages in this report, frequently
> refresh them in your browser ! Otherwise you are likely to be looking
> at stale cached information.... )
>
> AMD's dual-core keeps chugging along in the midst of the Intel
> debacle. In the earlier tests when SLI was actually fully running, a
> maximum temperature of 60 degrees C for the AMD 4800+ X2
> (99% loaded both cores) was recorded. No AMD crashes. The Intel
> Extreme 840 CPU also in SLI mode, (and between frequent crashes)
> recorded a temperature of 68 degrees C. That was before THG's test
> people gave up on SLI in the midst of fried Intel-compatible
> motherboards. More likely another MB power-regulator failure than SLI
> chip-set failure in the case of the nvidia Northbridge getting very
> hot.... Seems as if some third-party "dual-core-compatible" Intel MBs
> cannot survive the power-drain of a fully-loaded Extreme-840 CPU...
>
> BTW, the Intel recommended maximum temp for the Extreme-840
> processor is 69.8 degrees C.... 68 degrees during the SLI tests is
> running just a little too close....
>
> Intel desktop dual-core processors are obviously not ready for
> prime-time and probably never will be while based on the P4 Netburst
> architecture and an external memory controller.
>
> A good time to buy stock in companies providing beefy and reliable PC
> power-supplies, advanced PC cooling solutions and room
> air-conditioners. Buy the products yourself if you ever go the Intel
> dual-core route.
>
> John Lewis
>

LOL This line of reasoning comes up every upgrade from BOTH sides.
Lets pray both chips rock and both companies stay in business.
That's the best outcome for consumers ;-)




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On 2 Jun 2005 18:32:22 -0700, tlai909@visto.com wrote:

>Besides DRM, what's wrong with Prescott and -D 820?
>
>Not that I care because the only Intel I've paid for is PIII and
>Pentium-M...
>
>T.

If you read recent news Intel is going to switch over updated and multi-core Pentium M technology
for everything by next year.
Right now a Dual Xeon setup it's the best bet anyway even if they are Prescott core based the server
package and core themselves are way better than the desktop Prescott thing...
Also, Pentium D and Pentium 4 Prescott based products cost as much as a Xeon 2.8GHz FSB800 socket604
CPU.. so buying a Dual Xeon PC it's not that expensive like it was in the past.