The Race Begins Again...

GeneticWeapon

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From <b>Beyond 3D</b>

Digitimes has a report stating that ATI will have begun to mass produce their latest generation 3D graphics core, R420, by Q1 2004. The suggestion is that R420 will be a TSMC 130nm low-k based, 160M transistor product, supporting AGP8X and GDDR3 memory.

As we’ve previously indicated ATI are gearing up for a big push with PCI express and Digitimes are suggesting that R420 will have a refresh with R423. ATI’s stance is that performance will double every 18 months, so the expectation is that R420 should be somewhere in the region of twice the theoretical performance of 9700 PRO, while Digitimes suggests that R423 will be twice the performance of 9800 PRO which may indicate that the R423 PCI-Express refresh may have a little more to it than just the PCI-Express interface added.

Digitimes also suggests that some of ATI's lower end parts will be based on the 110nm fabrication process however when ATI's Rick Bergman was asked in a recent web chat session what was next for ATI after 130nm low-k he stated that 90nm was next and ATI were woking on solution based on this process for the latter half of 2004.

Finally Digitimes points out that NVIDIA's NV40 is expected to make it debut at roughly the same time and that we can only assume that it is 130nm based with an AGP8X interface. Given the location of the Digitimes publication the fact they seem to know few details about NV40 is as good an indication as you are going to get for now that NV40 is being fabbed at IBM!



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YIPPEE!!!!

Glad I waited through the 9800s.

I wonder what they will name them...my guesses would be:

R380: Radeon 9900/9900Pro/9900XT
R420: Radeon 10000/10000Pro
R423: Radeon 10000XT
next-gen crap (to replace the 9200 pricerange): Radeon 9400/9400PRO

only problem would be future middle rangers...maybe the number is closer to 11000

NV40: Geforce 5 Sc (as in Scandium, the metal) 6700 (Ultra)

Interesting how all the next-gen (minus ATi) hi-po graphics are being fabbed at IBM (Nintendo, Playstation3, Xbox2, NV40).

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R420, by Q1 2004

Very cool, I want more info on this card.

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Cool!

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psh, NV40 wont be GeForce 5, NV40.16 is GeForce 5 SX1, the card i'm running right now. And NV40.16M is the mobile chip: Geforce 5 SX whooping mobile 1

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Thanks for keeping me informed in these busy times. :cool:

I'm disappointed that the PCI-EX R423 will be a refresh that really sux to me, but it may mean that I get my socket 939 mobo and card at the same time, and perhaps a PCI-EX RV380 variant will be out there offering interesting options.

Interesting to see more info leaking out.

Thanks again!


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yah know what sucks about new cards though, they'll cost around $500 bucks!!! What is good though is that the 9800 XT's will go waaayyy down if they are that fast. Although intend to get a R420 core runnin with my P42.6@3.4. Then i'll be set untill DX10 or 64 bit makes my machine useless. LOL.
 

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yah know what sucks about new cards though, they'll cost around $500 bucks!!! What is good though is that the 9800 XT's will go waaayyy down if they are that fast. Although i personally intend to get a R420 core runnin with my P4 2.6@3.4GHz(lol, i got stock cooler). Then i'll be set untill DX10 or 64 bit makes my machine useless. LOL.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by ThE_ThInG on 12/19/03 11:02 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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as soon as the 420's hit the market full swing, and if they actually are even 50% faster then the 9800XT's won't be more than $350, cause no body would buy them.
 

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What are the rest of the cards <A HREF="http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2003/12/19&pages=A7&seq=47" target="_new">here</A> called then?

I still say Geforce 5 Sc 6700 for the NV40, even if your 'NV40.16' is Geforce 5 SX-1...

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<A HREF="http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2003/12/19&pages=A7&seq=47" target="_new">Here</A>'s as much info that's available for the R380 now. It will be PCI-EX, but launch date and manufacturing process still aren't decided (unlike R423, R420, R370).

Damn Rambus.
 
Yeah, but expect the RV (very important to have that V [as in VAPOR :wink: ]) 380 will be 0.13micron process it's pretty much assured. The RV370 being 0.11 makes for an interesting idea, since originally the statement was that the R450 would likely go first to that route as an R42X series refresh. But it makes sense that they decided to go with the mid-range cards, they did that so succesfully this time around (also larger production runs to play with and greater margins of error to play with (not all R9600Pros need to reach overclocked 525/350, they could aim low and perfect the process and even sell 'defective' chips at such an underclocked level. Likely the same idea this time around.

Anywhoo, off to bed to dream of these beautiful toys, which unfortunately will NOT be filling our stockings THIS year! :frown:


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Boody hell, bug killing!
Can't they just refine the current product like 9800XT?
New core=bug feast


you REEALLY want another core refresh? a 9850ProV2? fux that... and sinse when have ATI cores been "buggy". Its rare that hardware has bugs, its the drivers of which both sides have been pretty decent about recetly

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you said you wanted them to refine the current cards...


well the 9800pro WAS the refined version of the 9700pro.. hell man, if they can release a new core why not? i dont see any down sides, other than the fact that it will reduce the price of current cards (and allow me to get a 9800pro sooner)

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Ha! The Radeon 9900 Pro. Let's fry that little .15u piece of silicon one last time. Come one, does it have another 30 mHz in it? Come on, come on! You can do it! Right. I love my 9800 Pro, but the .15u reign is over.

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psh those chips are just normal graphic cards. their Ultimate killer is the SX-1. Nothing can ever beat the SX-1!

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there are still lots of changes can be made like expading the flexibiliy of the core to par with GFFXs.

"expanding the flexibility".. lol what are you talking about


the R3x0 has been in how many cards now? the 9500/pro, 9700/pro, 9800/pro/xt, a modified and shrunken version in the 9600/pro/xt. pretty much their whole currect lineup is based off the current core. highly doubt if they can pull another 9700-9800 conversion, without changing it in a more drastic way like addin new/more parts on the die

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phial

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dood.. please, stop


nvidia cannot do 32bit. on paper, yes. in reality only if you wanna render still images. 12bit is what is used most of the time

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YES THEY CAN!!! and i have fanboys to back me up! right?

........................guys?

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phial

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i have a while ago

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