News The US wants ASML to stop servicing its advanced chipmaking tools in China: Report

[Admin]

The U.S. government plans to ask the Dutch government to force ASML to stop servicing its advanced lithography systems in China.

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[digitalgriffin]

Do you know how the Blue LED was invented? Millions of dollars were wasted by hundreds of scientist trying to invent a Blue LED. One small Japanese engineer with a bachelors said he could solve the two big problems with creating Blue LEDs.

He realized CVD (Chemical Vapor Depoisition) for growing an ultra pure Shapphire Crystal was vital. So he went to Florida at another facility where engineers with PhD's were working with the CVD. But because he was a lowly bachelor degree engineer, they relegated him to maintenance of the machines. They overloooked him and didn't include him in ANY of the research.

But that worked to his advantage. Working on the machines directly taught them how they worked and how to improve them to make them even MORE effective in making ultra pure Sapphire.

I would say more. But there is a lesson here. While the same cannot be applied to creating the machines as Litography, or even chip design as a whole, there is benefit to holding all the secrets to yourself when it comes to sensitive stuff.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF8d72mA41M&t=1655s&pp=ygUZaG93IHRoZSBibHVlIGxlZCB3YXMgbWFkZQ%3D%3D

 

[Co BIY]

Do you know how the Blue LED was invented? Millions of dollars were wasted by hundreds of scientist trying to invent a Blue LED. One small Japanese engineer with a bachelors said he could solve the two big problems with creating Blue LEDs.

That Vertasium vid is great! (as are many of his others). [The application of the Shugi Nakamura story to the case of trade restrictions with China could easily be argued either way.]

Increasingly, my concern is that the governments (US and others) are taking greater and greater steps to stymie CCP access to AI enabling tech in a way that suggests they really fear the intended use of that tech.

The ease with which they gain cooperation, despite the financial damage, seems to indicate that they have information that can back that concern up. But they are not releasing this information to the public.

Feels like the COVID situation where the CCP did incredible damage to the entire world but the governments of the free world decided to cover up for them either because of fear of the public's natural reaction and consequences or because of entangled self-interests (Elite capture is obviously a very real phenomenon).

 

[HaninTH]

I would hope these restrictions aren't a prayer to completely stop China from ever having these technologies at all, that would be foolhardy. The rich industrialist pushing them just want to ensure they keep their revenue flowing in at the same rate, unaffected by ANY competition.

Sure, people can learn and reverse engineer a lot, but it takes time and a whole lot of wasted resources a long the way and then they still may not be able to make the tooling necessary for parts of the equipment simply because that was not part of the scope of knowledge ASML or whomever would pass along to their clients using the end device. Why would I tell you how to make a particular part of the equipment when it isn't central to the main use of said equipment?

 

[DavidLejdar]

And how are the Dutch supposed to make a living? I mean, it's not like there'd be much oil to drill in the Netherlands, or much space for everyone to have a mansion worth a billion, and so on, you know?

 

[nookoool]

wouldn't smic have bought or will buy 10-15 year worth of replacment and consume parts? Likely, there are local guys doing the servicing or been trained to service these machines already.

 

[GLT1963]

And how are the Dutch supposed to make a living? I mean, it's not like there'd be much oil to drill in the Netherlands, or much space for everyone to have a mansion worth a billion, and so on, you know?

i doubt they're all employed by asml, are they? the rest of the world is downsizing

 

[Vanderlindemedia]

Give me a good reason why constant intervention of the US ?

China may be behind but eventually china will outpace the west in regards of tech.

 

[digitalgriffin]

Give me a good reason why constant intervention of the US ?

China may be behind but eventually china will outpace the west in regards of tech.

I could. But then politics aren't allowed here. Be careful where you go with that question.

 

[Pei-chen]

The level of fear some country have toward another country shows how some country believe they cannot complete in the long term and have to hold on to their advantage as long as possible

 

[xterx1234]

Give me a good reason why constant intervention of the US ?

China may be behind but eventually china will outpace the west in regards of tech.

It is always about competition and protectionism and it will always be. Avoiding politics as much as possible, I remember that when Huawei beats Apple into phone shipments, the ban not only on Huawei but to literally every chinese tech company. The US does not care if their own companies oppose, maybe they learn that the Chinese will overpower the Americans using their "own" tech or maybe all of "their" techs. It is always about protectionism and trying to get above the competition. The question is how much pettiness and sanctions can the American Government do to hold its advantage. For me, it is always about competition. Nothing else.



PS. I tried to be non political as possible, if there is something a little bit political please correct me.