Question This fan set up can't be right, can it?

[lakawak]

I just bought a CyberPower PC from Best Buy. It has 3 case fans. Two on the side, and one on the back. And of course the CPU fan and two GPU fans. And I have to say, with my admittedly limited knowledge, it seems that EVERY ONE but the back fan is blowing the wrong way.

Every case fan is exhausting. I would think only the back fan should be exhausting. But both side fans are exhausting air out, and pretty forcefully too. Meanwhile, both the CPU and GPU fans are blowing TOWARD the heatsink.

I don't even know if the GPU fan is installed by CyberPower or if it comes like that from MSI (It is an MSI 1660 Super). I know enough about computers to use them and do some simple maintenance, but I don't know about the inner workings of components. I would think that the graphics card comes with the fans installed, so that should be right. But then that leads me to think that maybe the CPU fan is installed correctly too. If MSI is OK with blowing air into the heat sink, maybe that is the way to go. But it just seems so counterintuitive, and so many forums suggest it should be the other way around. But the tissue test shows both the CPU and GPU fans taking air in and blowing it across the heat sink. But it isn't going to get much air because all the case fans are pulling it out.

So, which fans are right, and which should I change? And is changing them as simple as unscrewing them and flipping them around? Because when it comes to a brand new computer that I spent more than I did on a 1995 computer when prices were still sky high AND they came with a monitor and a printer, something very simply is all I am willing to do on my own to fix a mistake that should never have been made in the first place. I already wouldn't mind returning it for a replacement since in the "prebuilt components lottery" I lost big time. Virtually every brand of component that was put in my system based on what was available at the time of the build, mine comes with the worst possible one. Must worse than I am seeing in many reviews and questions/answers on the Best Buy site for the item. I sort of wouldn't mind rolling the dice on a new build. And if these fans ARE wrong, I am not sure I feel comfortable with the person who built it when it comes to other, more important aspects. If he could mess that up, maybe he just plum forgot about thermal paste.

I am not even sure I want to have my computer on right now. I only noticed this because I have t wo old HDDs and put the smaller one in temporarily to copy those files to an external drive, and then I was going to permanently install the larger HDD. Had I not had the side panels off, I might now have noticed this. But should I shut down entirely until I find out if this is totally wrong? With the panels off, I would think that it should be getting enough air either way. And I was never planning on gaming with it anyway. At least not anything that is really going to heat things up,

 

[Colif]

What case is it? Can you show some photos so we can see what you dealing with?
what model cyberpower pc is it?

Most cases need inputs, having them all as exhaust means air will be sucked through any gaps in case that doesn't have filters.

 

[lakawak]

It is Model:GXi3200BST if that helps. It is the $949.99 one on Best Buy right now. CyberPowerPC - Gamer Xtreme Gaming Desktop - Intel Core i5-10600KF - 8GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER - 1TB HDD + 240GB SSD - Black

I'm not sure what's wrong, but it is not letting me add an image. So here is a link to them in my Google Drive folder

https://drive.google.com/file/d/129Q3fAYCZ-otRVBG3_ruq3_b2aTOk1dC/view

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I'm not sure if you can see in the picture, but all the fans are clearly mounted "frame" side out, with the frame side between the direction of the airflow. I don't have the panels near me, but the one side is all tempered glass showing the components, and the side with the two side fans has mesh only where the fans are. (No filters...another cheapo move by a pre-built.) It is all mesh on top, but there are no fans there. Seems like if they wanted those extra fans to be exhaust fans, it would have made more sense to put them on the top.

I think with all the mesh openings, it is able to pull air in. But isn't it better to have at least one fan pushing air in, rather than all of them pulling it in? And what about the CPU and GPU? Is this just my total ignorance on this? The CPU is conical in shape, and the smaller side is up against the heat sink, and it seems to be sized for the heat sink. This makes me think it is correct, but it just makes no sense. But are blowing air over the hot heat sink, TOWARD the CPU. So the air from the fan will warm up as it passes through the heat sink and them slam into the CPU. Whereas, the other way, it is taking the warm air from the heat sink and forcing it away from it and out a vent.. I mean, if I am sitting next to a hot open oven with a fan between me and it, and want to be as cool as possible, I wouldn't take a fan and blow the oven's hot air toward me. I would take the fan and blow the heat from the over away from me and take my chances with the air being pulled in from behind me.

That worries me the most since once Best Buy's 15 day return ends, if this set up causes any issues, my only option is Cyberpower's awful warranty which forces you to send it back at your expense, which ain't cheap and HOPE they declare it a free repair under warranty, allowing you to get it fixed (possibly by the same person who messed it up in the first place) and set back to you in 2-3 weeks. I was already without a computer for a month this year. I wouldn't want than, nor would I want to waste $100 when having added that $100 to my budget in the first place might have gotten me a more reliable computer that didn't also require me to add RAM to get dual channel, and maybe, just maybe one that was in this decade and came with a USB-port. I was willing to overlook that for the price I paid...but not as willing to do so for paying at least another $100 to ship it back. And then hope that it doesn't get MORE damaged in shipping either way.

My one plus is that since I DIDN'T get it for modern gaming, it won't run nearly as hot as it is designed to withstand. I do do some light video editing, but it is short sessions. But since I don't know the PSU, and like all my components, it is probably the scrapings on the bottom of the barrel for the listed spec, I don't want anything that could overheat things more than they are "supposed to" overheat things.

 

[Colif]

I should have said, you need to upload pictures to a file sharing website and show link, but google drive works

cpu fans are meant to blow towards heatsinks. that is normal. the exhaust fan behind cpu is what sucks the heat away
GPU fans are also likely to be okay, they too blow towards GPU.

I don't know about the fans on front, do they have any labels on the inside? As I think the label side is direction they blow in. the fans might have an arrow on their frame that shows it as well.

IS that this case? at least its got a side intake, I almost got it myself - https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer-Xtreme-XT

what temperatures are you getting?

if your case is the Lian LI O11 Dynamic, it might work with that set up. It depends what temperatures you are seeing. I don't know if I would have set it up that way.

 

[Karadjgne]

That's a downdraft style cooler. The fan blows air directly into the heatsink vanes, which then broadcasts in a surrounding area, it might be a warm breeze, but it's still cooler than the heatsinking or components it's blowing past. Same applies for the gpu, which is factory, not messed with. If the fan was flipped, you'd loose a lot of efficiency as all the air would only get sucked in from the fringes of the fan/heatsink, nothing from in the center over the cpu. Meaning the cpu will always run hotter, considerably so since cooling just got cut by @ 2/3rds.

This diwndraft puts air exhaust out into the case in a 360° area, some of which is picked up from the rear exhaust, some from the side exhaust. It's a negative pressure system where air is supplied from anywhere there's a gap, mainly open fan holes or front intake slots etc.

Works quite well.

 

[lakawak]

I should have said, you need to upload pictures to a file sharing website and show link, but google drive works

cpu fans are meant to blow towards heatsinks. that is normal. the exhaust fan behind cpu is what sucks the heat away
GPU fans are also likely to be okay, they too blow towards GPU.

I don't know about the fans on front, do they have any labels on the inside? As I think the label side is direction they blow in. the fans might have an arrow on their frame that shows it as well.

IS that this case? at least its got a side intake, I almost got it myself - https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer-Xtreme-XT

what temperatures are you getting?

if your case is the Lian LI O11 Dynamic, it might work with that set up. It depends what temperatures you are seeing. I don't know if I would have set it up that way.

My case appears to be a little different. The glass part doesn't go fully top to bottom. The thing is I just realized that while it does appear to have a lot of vents for the fans to suck in, the only large area vents that don't have fans blowing out of them is the one across the top. There is one other smaller vent in the back, which seems like that's going to be sucking air past the PSU shroud (although I assume the shroud helps keep heat away.) Oddly the case looks like it has at least some small openings on the sides right along the front, but it looks like that's a case of form over function because I tried blowing air into one of the slats on the side, and didn't feel anything when I stuck my hand inside where that slat was. from what I'm reading both on this site and other forms the top vents are the ones that really should be the exhaust since heat rises. It almost seems like if they wanted to have all exhaust, those two on the side should really be on top and then they would pull air in from the lower side vents. My temperatures were fine but I wasn't running it under any sort of load at all. It was my first time turning it on, and all I was doing was as I mentioned copying an old 600 GB hard drive over to an external so I could then install my old 1 TB hard drive alongside the 1 TB drive that came with it. Also, both side panels were off, since I was going to immediately remove that hard drive. So it was getting all the air it wanted. Now, I won't ever be doing any intense gaming on it. So in a way that's a little comforting to me. But I don't want to overheat it when I'm doing my light video editing.

 

[Colif]

can you show us more photos of what case looks like, upload them to an image sharing website like imgur and show links.

 

[Karadjgne]

It's cyoerpowerpcs rip-off design of the Lian-Li dynamic.

Cyberpowerpc, like anyone else, will sell a functional pc. That's it. Don't ask for more. There's too many ppl who Add stuff like rgb fans, aios etc that cppc isn't going to bother filling every hole, every slot. It's a waste of money.

Think about Intel K cpus, used to come with a pos stock cooler. Which was never used, often sold on eBay or thrown in the trash because ppl used bigger and better on those K class cpus. So Intel stopped giving them out for free, waste of money.

Same deal. Cppc sold you a functional pc, what you do with it after that is on you. You want to flip the fans, then flip them. You want the fans on top, put them there. You want rgb, then add it.

What they sold works fine, and thats all you can ask for. Anything extra is something you didn't pay for or custom order for.

 

[lakawak]

can you show us more photos of what case looks like, upload them to an image sharing website like imgur and show links.

I'll take more in a little bit. I have to head out for a few hours.

 

[lakawak]

It's cyoerpowerpcs rip-off design of the Lian-Li dynamic.

Cyberpowerpc, like anyone else, will sell a functional pc. That's it. Don't ask for more. There's too many ppl who Add stuff like rgb fans, aios etc that cppc isn't going to bother filling every hole, every slot. It's a waste of money.

Think about Intel K cpus, used to come with a pos stock cooler. Which was never used, often sold on eBay or thrown in the trash because ppl used bigger and better on those K class cpus. So Intel stopped giving them out for free, waste of money.

Same deal. Cppc sold you a functional pc, what you do with it after that is on you. You want to flip the fans, then flip them. You want the fans on top, put them there. You want rgb, then add it.

What they sold works fine, and thats all you can ask for. Anything extra is something you didn't pay for or custom order for.

It's cyoerpowerpcs rip-off design of the Lian-Li dynamic.

Cyberpowerpc, like anyone else, will sell a functional pc. That's it. Don't ask for more. There's too many ppl who Add stuff like rgb fans, aios etc that cppc isn't going to bother filling every hole, every slot. It's a waste of money.

Think about Intel K cpus, used to come with a pos stock cooler. Which was never used, often sold on eBay or thrown in the trash because ppl used bigger and better on those K class cpus. So Intel stopped giving them out for free, waste of money.

Same deal. Cppc sold you a functional pc, what you do with it after that is on you. You want to flip the fans, then flip them. You want the fans on top, put them there. You want rgb, then add it.

What they sold works fine, and thats all you can ask for. Anything extra is something you didn't pay for or custom order for.

But that's what I'm wondering? Is it fine? Because there are a lot of posts available online of Cyberpower PC overheating VERY quickly.

 

[cryoburner]

from what I'm reading both on this site and other forms the top vents are the ones that really should be the exhaust since heat rises.

Warm air will tend to rise if left on its own, but since PC cases act more like a wind tunnel as a result of their fans, the air will go wherever the case fans direct it. So while it may be a general rule of thumb to have cool air enter a system toward the front/bottom of the case, and exit through the top/rear, that's generally not going to make too much of a difference in systems with at least a moderate amount of airflow. If a case's fans are directing air out the bottom of the case, then that's where the warmer air will go, as the airflow from the fans will generally be more significant than any airflow created by convection.

And while having intake fans can be helpful, it's often not necessary, as long as there are sufficient vents for air to enter the case. If a case has dust filters, it's best to have intake fans positioned behind them to maintain positive pressure and ensure air isn't entering elsewhere through unfiltered openings in the case, though filters tend to be less common on prebuilt systems from big manufacturers, likely because they require occasional maintenance to clean, and the manufacture isn't expecting its customers to do that.

It's kind of hard to tell exactly how the vents are positioned in that case based on the picture provided, but at the very least there should be air coming in through those slotted PCI slot covers below the graphics card, and through the vents in the top over the CPU. It's possible that it might not be an optimal arrangement, but I'm thinking it should likely work fine. The 1660 Super is not an excessively power-hungry graphics card, topping out at around 130 watts or so under a heavy gaming load, and under 10 watts for most desktop tasks, so it's heat output should be fairly moderate as far as dedicated graphics cards are concerned. The 10600K might potentially run a bit warm (or push its fan speed relatively high) when presented with workloads utilizing all of its cores simultaneously, but that would be more down to the limitations of that style of (relatively compact) CPU cooler rather than case airflow. You could check temperatures while under heavily-multithreaded loads if you are concerned about it, but I don't think it would be a huge concern if you are not overclocking, since modern processors will throttle their performance to avoid hitting critical temperatures.

And what about the CPU and GPU? Is this just my total ignorance on this? The CPU is conical in shape, and the smaller side is up against the heat sink, and it seems to be sized for the heat sink. This makes me think it is correct, but it just makes no sense. But are blowing air over the hot heat sink, TOWARD the CPU. So the air from the fan will warm up as it passes through the heat sink and them slam into the CPU. Whereas, the other way, it is taking the warm air from the heat sink and forcing it away from it and out a vent.. I mean, if I am sitting next to a hot open oven with a fan between me and it, and want to be as cool as possible, I wouldn't take a fan and blow the oven's hot air toward me. I would take the fan and blow the heat from the over away from me and take my chances with the air being pulled in from behind me.

As has been pointed out, it's standard for pretty much all coolers to blow air toward the fins. In the case of a downward-blowing CPU cooler like this, even after passing through the fins, the temperature of the air is still going to be significantly cooler than any component at risk of overheating. So when that air gets directed over some hot component on the motherboard, like the VRMs under those black-finned heatsinks near the CPU, it will tend to help to cool them. The same goes for components on the surface of the graphics card.

 

[Krotow]

As has been pointed out, it's standard for pretty much all coolers to blow air toward the fins. In the case of a downward-blowing CPU cooler like this, even after passing through the fins, the temperature of the air is still going to be significantly cooler than any component at risk of overheating. So when that air gets directed over some hot component on the motherboard, like the VRMs under those black-finned heatsinks near the CPU, it will tend to help to cool them. The same goes for components on the surface of the graphics card.

Anyway OP's case look like made only for looks with thinking about cooling very little if not at all.

 

[Colif]

No way can I believe there are cases out there that are just meant to look good
I refuse to believe that

never seen it, honest

who needs airflow, all you need is fans.
So pretty...

But anyway, I am still curious what case looks like.

At least op didn't buy from Walmart

there are worse choices than Cyberpower and that is both amazing and frightening at the same time

 

[Karadjgne]

Exactly. It's a Lian-Li Dynamic variant designed more for water cooling with a 360mm on the side, rgb fans on top etc. OP has a basic, but functional pc.

Op. What you read/watched was all about those ppl. Your pc is different in that it's yours. What works for you may not work for others. They might have had a different cooler, or a different motherboard/cpu with different power limits and OC.

There's no 'best' setup for everyone, only each individual. Run your pc as is, if it overheats, flip the side fans to intake, see if that makes a difference to your pc.

 

[lakawak]

Here are the better pic of the system

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13P3QZdL7Ol_39lNclAJ1CpKj4eA_h0_k/view

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/13OoD_ef4R6hTDNkF6gVcy7oaoBmjuhzV/view

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/127R1ZuukhC8rZ-CAq6nHkw9RuSjvkk7Z/view

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/13lEkl18eeekVIBGiD0u7di7lWDMtAG1I/view


Looks like every other picture doesn't get a preview. Not sure why

So you can see that there are no vents or any sort of opening on the front or right side. A gap in the front sure would have been nice.. The left panel has the vent right where the exhaust fan is, extending maybe 3-5 inches below the fans as well. The top is mostly vented as is the back, including the expansion plates, which is a nice touch. I'm not sure how much help the top (biggest vented area) will really help though since any air that comes in is just going to be pulled back out immediately by the two exhaust fans on the side without ever coming in contact with any hot components.

Meanwhile, from the first picture. it looks like the bottom back vents are designed to pull the air in at the bottom, and run it over the underside of the graphics card as it makes its way to the exhaust fans

 

[Colif]

That sure looks like a lian li case... take the plastic off lol.
i think it is a cheap look alike though, the 011 dynamic has all its USB slots on front and the Mini has 2 vents on side and the buttons are different. All the cases on the Cyberpower website are Lian Li, I don't see anything else that looks like them listed. so it could be, I can't tell for sure.

the fans look like they have same symbol as the lian li logo, its hard from angle I am looking at - https://lian-li.com/product-category/cases/ - but i am not certain.

Don't they tell you what parts you paid for?

What temperatures are you getting? that will tell you if its working or not. If its sucking air from anywhere it can, and all intakes are filtered, it should be fine. Its clearly set up in negative pressure.

 

[DSzymborski]

Warm air will tend to rise if left on its own, but since PC cases act more like a wind tunnel as a result of their fans, the air will go wherever the case fans direct it. So while it may be a general rule of thumb to have cool air enter a system toward the front/bottom of the case, and exit through the top/rear, that's generally not going to make too much of a difference in systems with at least a moderate amount of airflow.

While this is true -- and a point that people frequently miss -- most people have setups that would result in their GPU being a huge complicating factor when trying to get top-intake-bottom-exhaust to work.

 

[Karadjgne]

With a gpu mounted upside down, the fans pull air from below the card. That air is shoved forcibly through the heatsink and most if it comes out the side facing the left panel, but is deflected upwards by the shroud.

Contrary-wise to top intake systems, and creates a cyclic pattern of airflow across the cpu. Not the smartest idea for sure.

Personally, I'd flip the 2x front-side fans, make them intakes and keep them at a significantly higher rpm (300-400rpm) than the rear exhaust. This'll help pressurize the front of the case area. I'd also block off the entire top. This prevents the cpu/rear exhaust fans from pulling any outside air from the top, forcing them to pull air from the case instead, thereby creating a lower pressure area at the rear of the case.

Nature abhors a vacuum. By creating low pressure in the rear, higher pressure from the front will move air to fill the void created. That's airflow.

Gpu heat rises, airflow pushes across the cpu, picks up the gpu heat, and right out the rear exhaust it all goes.

 

[lakawak]

That sure looks like a lian li case... take the plastic off lol.
i think it is a cheap look alike though, the 011 dynamic has all its USB slots on front and the Mini has 2 vents on side and the buttons are different. All the cases on the Cyberpower website are Lian Li, I don't see anything else that looks like them listed. so it could be, I can't tell for sure.

the fans look like they have same symbol as the lian li logo, its hard from angle I am looking at - https://lian-li.com/product-category/cases/ - but i am not certain.

Don't they tell you what parts you paid for?

What temperatures are you getting? that will tell you if its working or not. If its sucking air from anywhere it can, and all intakes are filtered, it should be fine. Its clearly set up in negative pressure.

The plastic stays on during the 15 day return period I am not convinced in this computer just yet. I knew the unnamed components would be low end, but I didn't think every single one would be as low end as they could get based on many reviews that said they got some decent ones. And I will have no problem playing dumb and saying "The description says 3000 MHz RAM but I only got 2666." because quite frankly, ever though I know why, I still think it is horribly shady of both Cyberpower and Best Buy. The average person buying from Best Buy has absolutely no idea that a motherboard could be a limiting factor and therefore throttle the listed specs. Or at least, they wouldn't think that any manufacturer would use a motherboard that would do so. They tell you the basic specs. Not the brands or model. So, for example, some people reported getting a 80+ Gold PSU. Me? Not even Bronze. But all they list is the wattage, so they didn't lie. Many people also get at least a WD Blue SSD. Some even got a black. Me? WD Green. Noticeably slower than my old one, so probably getting tossed completely. But again, they just say 240 SSD. Same with the motherboard. They just say the chipset. The brand and model is random. Some get ones with no RAM limits. Some get ones with 2 M.2 slots. Or more SATA ports. Mine limits the RAM, just 1 M.2 slot (not a big deal but just shows my luck) and 4 SATA ports. (Wasn't expecting more, but some got more so I was hoping, as I still have an old HDD I could have put in.) Some got higher end Crucial RAM. I got lower end Adata. I still can't get the RGB to work. Everything is plugged in and the Cyberpower people said everything should be working based on what I told them. But it isn't. Don't really care about RGB anyway, but it is just one more thing that shouldn't go wrong with a brand new PC. A PC that cost more than any PC I have bought other than my very first one in 1996 (And that came with a monitor and printer!) So I expected things to work out of the box, or be simple fixes like plugs coming loose in transit. The other stuff is me knowing just enough about the inner workings of computers to be disappointed by the component selection. I'm sure to totally clueless people, everything would seem fine. They will see WD and remember hearing about Western Digital, and think that Green is good for the environment and be happy with that.

My temperatures are fine. but I have done nothing that would tax the CPU or GPU yet.

 

[Karadjgne]

Not shady.

DDR4 memory default is 2133MHz. Cpu memory controllers will bump that up to their own speeds for a 1:1 ratio if the ram allows. Ryzen 3000 series memory controllers run at 2666MHz. Anything after that is considered an overclock.

So you bought a pc with 3000MHz ram. That means it's 2133MHz ram that can run upto 3000MHz. Out of the box it will run at 2666MHz because of the cpu. YOU will have to adjust the bios to an overclock position with XMP. Nobody does that for you since it is considered an OC setting. If you had the exact same pc, but used a 2000 series cpu, it'd default to 2400MHz instead. If it was exact same pc, but used a 10thGen Intel cpu, it'd default to 2933MHz.


CyberpowerPC is a custom boutique, they build to order. Those ppl who got all the fancy stuff you named like the upgraded motherboard, WD black, 80+Gold psu either ordered/custom built their pc or paid a whole lot more than you did.

You got what you paid for, don't blame others for your lack of research. You bought a base model Honda not a top-line Mercedes. Don't be surprised at the lack of power windows.

 

[lakawak]

Not shady.

DDR4 memory default is 2133MHz. Cpu memory controllers will bump that up to their own speeds for a 1:1 ratio if the ram allows. Ryzen 3000 series memory controllers run at 2666MHz. Anything after that is considered an overclock.

So you bought a pc with 3000MHz ram. That means it's 2133MHz ram that can run upto 3000MHz. Out of the box it will run at 2666MHz because of the cpu. YOU will have to adjust the bios to an overclock position with XMP. Nobody does that for you since it is considered an OC setting. If you had the exact same pc, but used a 2000 series cpu, it'd default to 2400MHz instead. If it was exact same pc, but used a 10thGen Intel cpu, it'd default to 2933MHz.


CyberpowerPC is a custom boutique, they build to order. Those ppl who got all the fancy stuff you named like the upgraded motherboard, WD black, 80+Gold psu either ordered/custom built their pc or paid a whole lot more than you did.

You got what you paid for, don't blame others for your lack of research. You bought a base model Honda not a top-line Mercedes. Don't be surprised at the lack of power windows.

Sorry to hear about your illiteracy problem. It was not a lack of research, little baby boy. It is the matter of it being a random guess as to what you are going to get. Also, silly little nothing...why are you talking about Ryzen as if I somewhere posted that I got an AMD or that I was trying to overclock? Can't overclock on my motherboard. Having done my research, I knew that from the start. But that has NOTHING to do with this issue since other computers with non-overclockable mobos are able to give speeds greater than 2666 right out of the box. Because if it was the speed you can get IF you overclocked, it would yes, indeed be shady to post that as your speed on the Best Buy site. And even a 5 year old would see WHY Cyberpower would put a 3000 MHz stick of RAM in a computer that can't handle it. And no, virgin, it isn't for people who want to save that RAM for another build. It is because they are willing to spend a few extra dollars in their build cost over simply buying 2666 RAM just so they can advertise it as a computer with 3000 MHz RAM to make it look more attractive. There is literally NO other valid reason other than bait and switch for them to not just put the top speed RAM it would be able to run at, and advertise it at that. They know that most pre-built buyers, especially from Best Buy, are even less knowledgeable than I am. Parents buying it for their kids, or just people who look at the specs and don't even know about anything else to look for. And perhaps will never know that it is running at 2666.

I honestly don't get people lie you I get that COVI D has increased the loneliness is a lot of people, including those who were always lonely, like yourself. But to go on a forum and instead of ignoring a question or proving held, you instead feel the need to complain and THINK that you are superior to someone for the first time in your sorry ass lonely incel life

Go home to your empty basement apartment little boy. And again. if you had passed 2nd grade reading, you would not only know the difference between LOOSE and LOSE (Seriously...when even the average EIGHT YEAR OLD would say "Wow...what a f***ing uneducated idiot, you know you have made some wrong turns in life) , but also would have seen where I pointed out that it was the reviews and answered questions ON BEST BUY'S PAGE for the computer I got where people got the other component brands. NOTHING to do with people randomly saying that they got great Cyberpower PCs with better components when they made a custom build. It is strange. You think you are so knowledgeable...but you don't know that pre-builds don't list brands or model numbers of components because no one has an idea what will be put in, since it is just whatever they have in their parts bin that day? Christ, I knew that 5 years ago. That list the important SPECS, but not brands, etc. And of course, within a spec, the range of quality is huge.

So seriously, how many ways could you embarrass your entire family in one post. Or at least would have if they have given two craps about you for even one house ever since the day your turned 13 and they came to the sad realization that they failed miserably in raising you. "damn, honey...our son is going to be the kind of troll who goes on help forums just to blast those asking for advice. Oh sweetie...where did we go wrong." "I know when...remember that day we were turning into the abortion clinic parking lot and you said you were having second thoughts? that's when. Oh what I wouldn't give to have that day back." "Me too. Me too."

By the way, forever along boy...I DID do my research. And part of my research was knowing about Best Buy's 15 day return policy. Especially when I am already having some sort of video issues. A 2 day old computer with updated drivers absolutely should "just work"

 

[Colif]

can we try to stay civil, we supposed to be here to help. Doesn't help to argue.

CyberpowerPC is a custom boutique, they build to order. Those ppl who got all the fancy stuff you named like the upgraded motherboard, WD black, 80+Gold psu either ordered/custom built their pc or paid a whole lot more than you did.

Some companies here let you swap parts out and will build anything you want based on parts they have. But they aren't big companies like cyberpower who only get the customers based on what they make. So it makes sense for them to go the extra steps. I know people who get their PC made that way and they haven't had any problems with their last 3 PC from the same place. Since I live in Australia its pointless me telling you names.

The memory speed thing is a problem of advertising. Or marketing, or understanding. I don't know but I have watched enough YouTube videos to know its not just cyberpower doing it. NZXT were centre of a scandal about that too, they advertise ram as 3000 but don't set it as XMP in box.

I believe you can upgrade parts in Cyberpower PC before you get them, I know people are warned not to use the standard PSU on their own forums.

so test cpu temps since that is main concern you had.

 

[cryoburner]

Sorry to hear about your illiteracy problem. It was not a lack of research, little baby boy. It is the matter of it being a random guess as to what you are going to get. Also, silly little nothing...why are you talking about Ryzen as if I somewhere posted that I got an AMD or that I was trying to overclock? Can't overclock on my motherboard. Having done my research, I knew that from the start. But that has NOTHING to do with this issue since other computers with non-overclockable mobos are able to give speeds greater than 2666 right out of the box. Because if it was the speed you can get IF you overclocked, it would yes, indeed be shady to post that as your speed on the Best Buy site. And even a 5 year old would see WHY Cyberpower would put a 3000 MHz stick of RAM in a computer that can't handle it. And no, virgin, it isn't for people who want to save that RAM for another build. It is because they are willing to spend a few extra dollars in their build cost over simply buying 2666 RAM just so they can advertise it as a computer with 3000 MHz RAM to make it look more attractive. There is literally NO other valid reason other than bait and switch for them to not just put the top speed RAM it would be able to run at, and advertise it at that. They know that most pre-built buyers, especially from Best Buy, are even less knowledgeable than I am. Parents buying it for their kids, or just people who look at the specs and don't even know about anything else to look for. And perhaps will never know that it is running at 2666.

I honestly don't get people lie you I get that COVI D has increased the loneliness is a lot of people, including those who were always lonely, like yourself. But to go on a forum and instead of ignoring a question or proving held, you instead feel the need to complain and THINK that you are superior to someone for the first time in your sorry ass lonely incel life

Go home to your empty basement apartment little boy. And again. if you had passed 2nd grade reading, you would not only know the difference between LOOSE and LOSE (Seriously...when even the average EIGHT YEAR OLD would say "Wow...what a f***ing uneducated idiot, you know you have made some wrong turns in life) , but also would have seen where I pointed out that it was the reviews and answered questions ON BEST BUY'S PAGE for the computer I got where people got the other component brands. NOTHING to do with people randomly saying that they got great Cyberpower PCs with better components when they made a custom build. It is strange. You think you are so knowledgeable...but you don't know that pre-builds don't list brands or model numbers of components because no one has an idea what will be put in, since it is just whatever they have in their parts bin that day? Christ, I knew that 5 years ago. That list the important SPECS, but not brands, etc. And of course, within a spec, the range of quality is huge.

So seriously, how many ways could you embarrass your entire family in one post. Or at least would have if they have given two craps about you for even one house ever since the day your turned 13 and they came to the sad realization that they failed miserably in raising you. "damn, honey...our son is going to be the kind of troll who goes on help forums just to blast those asking for advice. Oh sweetie...where did we go wrong." "I know when...remember that day we were turning into the abortion clinic parking lot and you said you were having second thoughts? that's when. Oh what I wouldn't give to have that day back." "Me too. Me too."

By the way, forever along boy...I DID do my research. And part of my research was knowing about Best Buy's 15 day return policy. Especially when I am already having some sort of video issues. A 2 day old computer with updated drivers absolutely should "just work"

Can Karadjgne get best answer for triggering this post? : P