[SOLVED] Thoughts on my PC picker build

[goodbye8l]

Was looking for a nice upgrade from my 7 year old Pc so I made a one around the 1k price. I know AMD would be good for gaming and getting the 8 cores but I don't just play games I do a lot of rendering and I trust Intel for that but I could be bias.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dcRFf9

 

[Deleted member 14196]

Lol. Rendering is where the AMD shines over the Intel so I don’t know where you’re getting your information but it sounds like a bit off

I Ryzen 3700x would smoke that thing in rendering

That is not a good price for what you want

 

[goodbye8l]

Lol. Rendering is where the AMD shines over the Intel so I don’t know where you’re getting your information but it sounds like a bit off

I Ryzen 3700x would smoke that thing in rendering

That is not a good price for what you want

Yea I don't doubt it when it cost $329.99 the CPU I picked is at 205.00 while the comparative CPU from AMD At my price point is Ryzen 5 3600. Which the AMD processor provides slightly more performance over the i5-9500. If I would switch over I would have to drop my GPU to the AMD RX 5700 XT. The RX 5700 XT vs RTX 2070 has RTX has ray-tracing, and better marks for multi rendering. I was looking for a happy medium at 1 K
Reference: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/4029vs4045

 

[Phaaze88]

There probably is some bias.

Motherboard needs to be changed.
B360 is not compatible with 9th gen Intel cpus out of the box. Only B365 and Z390 are.

I5 9500, huh?
What does that cpu do so well that a similarly priced Ryzen 7 2700X can't?


[QUOTE @goodbye8l ]...
Which the AMD processor provides slightly more performance over the i5-9500. If I would switch over I would have to drop my GPU to the AMD RX 5700 XT.
...[/QUOTE]
Why would changing from the I5 9500 to a similarly priced Ryzen 3600 force you to change your gpu selection?

 

[NightHawkRMX]

A cheaper $195 Ryzen 5 3600 will decimate, destroy, crush, cream, kill, and spit on the grave of an I5 9500 in gaming and especially in gaming.

With rendering the 6 thread I5 will struggle. But since the 3600 has 12 threads, it will perform better.

The B360 motherboard will not work without bios update with the 9500. Go for B365.
Both B360 and B365 motherboards will limit ram speed to 2666mhz, something a similarly price B450 motherboard compatable with the R5 3600 will not do.

I like the 660p SSD.

PSU does not have the minimum of 550w for a 2070. You need to change this.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor | $194.79 @ OutletPC
Motherboard | MSI B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $95.69 @ OutletPC
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory | $72.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $94.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $49.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | Zotac GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB MINI Video Card | $398.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case | Deepcool MATREXX 50 ATX Mid Tower Case | $51.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $59.99 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1029.41
| Mail-in rebates | -$10.00
| Total | $1019.41
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-18 21:28 EDT-0400 |

Same price

CPU is better for rendering.

Better PSU and newer but compatable RTX2060 super. If you can find a 2070 at the same price they are tiny bit better.

 

[goodbye8l]

There probably is some bias.

Motherboard needs to be changed.
B360 is not compatible with 9th gen Intel cpus out of the box. Only B365 and Z390 are.

I5 9500, huh?
What does that cpu do so well that a similarly priced Ryzen 7 2700X can't?


[QUOTE @goodbye8l ]...
Which the AMD processor provides slightly more performance over the i5-9500. If I would switch over I would have to drop my GPU to the AMD RX 5700 XT.
...

Why would changing from the I5 9500 to a similarly priced Ryzen 3600 force you to change your gpu selection?
[/QUOTE]
The mobo your right since I saw that it was 9th I forgot it can be after a bios update thank you. Again the 2700X is not similar in price. Switching GPU depending on the AMD or Intel would have to be cohesiveness AMD CPU and GPU have a better performance boost when paired.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

GPU have a better performance boost when paired.

No.

 

[goodbye8l]

No.

Missed informed mb. I was looking at the build you recommended and it also has the bios issue which means I have to upgrade it before i can use it, no?

 

[NightHawkRMX]

was looking at the build you recommended and it also has the bios issue which means I have to upgrade it before i can use it, no

The reason i went with the MSI B450m gaming plus is because it has a bios flash button. So you can update the bios without needing an older cpu. You just need a usb stick.

You could go with an even cheaper $65 b450 and it would work, but you would need to make sure the bios is updated beforehand.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/46...-v2-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-pro-m2-v2

This $64 MSI board lacks a bios flash button, but you can ask the seller to ensure bios is updated.

 

[goodbye8l]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/46...-v2-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-pro-m2-v2

This $64 MSI board lacks a bios flash button, but you can ask the seller to ensure bios is updated.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8QTzK4

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($194.89 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Refurbish MSI B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($83.00)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Refurbish Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($389.99)
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 50 ATX Mid Tower Case ($45.00)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $947.85
This bored has a bios flash button on it and has room for more ram
and a 60-buck save for the new COD haha

 

[NightHawkRMX]

All looks good.

 

[geofelt]

I think your proposed build is reasonable.
A balanced gamer will budget about 2x the cost of the processor for the graphics card.
You are spot on there.
ryzen is good for many cheap threads if rendering is most important to you.
Many threads are also good if you play multiplayer games with many participants.
For gaming, the excellent single thread performance is going to do perfectly well.
Gaming is usually more limited by the graphics card.

Do not worry about 9500 compatibility.
It requires bios 23 released on 7/26/2018. That is barely 3 weeks after the initial release of 22 on 7/3/2018.
Every motherboard will have a suitable bios to run.

If I have a suggestion it is to use a different ssd. The intel 660 is cheap, but I would use a Samsung 970 evo 1tb drive instead for better reliability and performance.
I would defer on the HDD if you need to for budget purposes. It is easy to add a HDD later when you need the room.
And... I think WD or hitachi might be a bit more reliable.
Here is a nice article on the WD options:

Understanding the WD Rainbow

WD has a very diverse hard drive product line that can be difficult to decipher at times. In this article we go over the various 3.5inch hard drive lines from WD to help you decide which is right for your system.

www.pugetsystems.com

 

[goodbye8l]

I think your proposed build is reasonable.
A balanced gamer will budget about 2x the cost of the processor for the graphics card.
You are spot on there.
ryzen is good for many cheap threads if rendering is most important to you.
Many threads are also good if you play multiplayer games with many participants.
For gaming, the excellent single thread performance is going to do perfectly well.
Gaming is usually more limited by the graphics card.

Do not worry about 9500 compatibility.
It requires bios 23 released on 7/26/2018. That is barely 3 weeks after the initial release of 22 on 7/3/2018.
Every motherboard will have a suitable bios to run.

If I have a suggestion it is to use a different ssd. The intel 660 is cheap, but I would use a Samsung 970 evo 1tb drive instead for better reliability and performance.
I would defer on the HDD if you need to for budget purposes. It is easy to add a HDD later when you need the room.
And... I think WD or hitachi might be a bit more reliable.
Here is a nice article on the WD options:

Understanding the WD Rainbow

WD has a very diverse hard drive product line that can be difficult to decipher at times. In this article we go over the various 3.5inch hard drive lines from WD to help you decide which is right for your system.

www.pugetsystems.com

So go HHD instead of SSD M.2?

 

[Phaaze88]

Why would changing from the I5 9500 to a similarly priced Ryzen 3600 force you to change your gpu selection?

The mobo your right since I saw that it was 9th I forgot it can be after a bios update thank you. Again the 2700X is not similar in price. Switching GPU depending on the AMD or Intel would have to be cohesiveness AMD CPU and GPU have a better performance boost when paired.
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From what I can see, these 2 Ryzen cpus are close in price - in fact, they're cheaper by the time of this post:

CPU Comparison

pcpartpicker.com

 

[geofelt]

So go HHD instead of SSD M.2?

No, I suggest you will go a long way with a good single 1tb ssd of the m.2 pcie type.
That would be a Samsung 970 evo for example.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

I would argue the intel 660p is a very good drive and buying a pricy 970 pro would not merit a lot of noticable difference.

 

[geofelt]

The PRO is hard to justify, but the 970 evo or evo plus is is good.