Three High-End Gaming Systems Compared

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johnbilicki

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Falcon's overnight shipping is just plain juicy, nothing is worse then having a thousand dollar plus paper weight for two to six weeks doing nothing though why not the full three years of the warranty at these prices?

Why only three years warranty for the entire systems? Why not extend those warranties per part in the very least. This is a major turn-off for those of us who have had parts die three days after a two or three year warranty has expired negating a full system if we can't replace the part (such as the motherboard). Especially considering Socket B will be due out in what, a month or two?

I've seen a Mac or two that are (slightly) more affordable, would it really kill most people to replace an Intel EE with a Q9550? It's got the same amount of cache and I'm sure it'll OC to the same frequencies. I don't think someone buying one of these systems is going to care too much if it's OCed by FSB or simply the multiplier. My old 754/3200 CRUSHED my 939/3500 a few years ago 15 seconds to a full minute (and that's with single channel memory versus 939's dual channel) on several processor intensive tests such as AWStats (web statistics) pushing a 120 megabyte Apache access log and the 3500 had half the cache but a 200MHz advantage. Switching those two CPU's would easily knock off about $700 on the price tag.

Just under six grand up over eight and no keyboard and mouse with any of these systems?

Windows Vista is weak but then again if someone is going to spend that much money (and tax and probably shipping on TOP of that) they probably are going to be spending the vast majority of time using the system to play video games any way so mute point really. I've seen some impressive (older systems) though including a system with a 6xxx SLI setup that was being used for word documents...these are clearly intended for games.

I'd really like to see an article here on Toms Hardware about PSU's. It'd be sweet to say, "Yeah my rig has a 1500 watt PSU" though it'd be sweeter to say, "Yeah I have my (one of these) rig running OCed and stable with a 700 watt PSU" in example. It'd be nice to see what happens when systems don't get enough power and how to determine how much power a system will need before one purchases individual parts.

Why is Falcon's rig the only one with a BD burner?

I like the Falcon system the most between the specs provided. The WD Raptors at 300GB might be enough if you're only playing a handful of games (at any given time) though for that price tag I'd expect at least a TB drive through in. I'd never have my music collection or work files on the same drive as any OS. Crossfire is owning there too and it's great to see ATI back in the game. Thanks for posting the review! Now how about posting some FRAPS footage of games from these systems and post them in HD on YouTube? ;-)
 

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Speaking of FRAPS, I can't get decent framerates in Vista x64 with it... If I install XP I can FRAPS my WoW at 60 FPS but it chugs down to like 25 and below on Vista and the games appear to lag really badly.

Also, this article goes to show the failure of tri SLI vs a CF of X2 cards. I am very happy with my 8800GT SLI though since it beats a GTX 280 last I checked for half the price.
 

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Great review, i was actually thinking about what kind of performance an 8 core processor would have in today's games, regardless of optimization. Clearly we aren't ready, lol. Especially seeing as how Quads are just barely getting used.

What was nice to see is that Quads are almost always fully utilized in non-gaming applications. Makes me feel better for buying a quad early in the game. I'm just hoping more games will come equipped with quad support.
 

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well when it comes to extended warranties on custom, or "boutique" systems, you really don't need more than three.. i mean, people who buy these things want to them so that they can brag and all that, but in three years? you can easily buy a system for a quarter of the price and probably get more performance. So, there's no use for more than three years warranty because many of those people would have already updated those pcs (the insides, like mobo, cpu, gpu, ram, etc..), or the ones with deep wallets would have bought newer ones...

Also, there are many people who like pcs, new technologies, games, and so on but don't know how or don't have the guts to build and overclock their own machines.. well, it's probably the overclocking part that weighs down on most people, so they'd rather opt to buy a machine built by.... experts.... who overclock it for them, at a nice premium.. if you can afford it, why not? not many people complain at the price of a Mercedes S 65 AMG now do they?
 

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I'm surprised the 3sli system did so badly. 8 cpu cores, 3 gpu cores, and yet so slow. Ofcourse a problem is the software unable to utilize them all, but I wonder how much of the fault is down to the windows kernel only running on one? or the graphics in a game only using one cpu core and treating the 3 gpu's as one etc? In any case, why are the ati cards that much faster? 3x 280 should be faster than 4x 4870 sharing two slots? does the skulltrail feature 3x16 pcie v2 lanes for the cards? or are they bandwidth starved ? and what about hte 2x 4870x2's ? are they being limited by two slots running 16x (or 16/8 / 8/8)?
Appearently 2 x2's is better than 3 280's .... I didn't expect that. Perhaps driver's cpu overhead in the x2's is significantly lower than the nvidia driver handling 3 gpu's ? or is it just crysis and vantage that don't know how to use the gpu's without being limited by cpu power of a single core?
 

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well.. the 4870 X2 is better by about 10-20% (if not more) than the GTX 280, on average.. but i believe that on tri sli, the third card won't be of much help because that third pci-e slot is usually a 4x or even 1x.. so the bandwidth available to that third card is pretty low.. plus i believe that ATI has concentrated alot more on multi-card compatibility and performance, drivers wise.. so maybe that's the reason why.. maybe it's the nature of Crossfire vs. SLI that gives Crossfire the advantage, because they're two different methods in combining two cards..

also, i wonder when they'll start coming up with dual and quad core gpus... instead of multi-gpu solutions... which would be better?
 

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Could be that the ati drivers simply are better in multi card configs than nvidia. For the longest time they've had to release x2 cards to keep up withe nvidia after all, so they must've worked their arse off to make sure they actually work :)

ps. I hope nvidia releases a new card to trumph the 4870, so that I can have proper drivers again. ati may be good at cf, but nvidia knows how to deal with multimonitor setups
 

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[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]I'm surprised the 3sli system did so badly. 8 cpu cores, 3 gpu cores, and yet so slow. Ofcourse a problem is the software unable to utilize them all, but I wonder how much of the fault is down to the windows kernel only running on one? or the graphics in a game only using one cpu core and treating the 3 gpu's as one etc? In any case, why are the ati cards that much faster? 3x 280 should be faster than 4x 4870 sharing two slots? does the skulltrail feature 3x16 pcie v2 lanes for the cards? or are they bandwidth starved ? and what about hte 2x 4870x2's ? are they being limited by two slots running 16x (or 16/8 / 8/8)? Appearently 2 x2's is better than 3 280's .... I didn't expect that. Perhaps driver's cpu overhead in the x2's is significantly lower than the nvidia driver handling 3 gpu's ? or is it just crysis and vantage that don't know how to use the gpu's without being limited by cpu power of a single core?[/citation]

Me too. specially considering the similar system they built at guru3d.com kicked ass.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-280-sli-triple-review-test/

Wonder why??
 

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Because in that test at guru3d was only nvidia cards and that is not a similar test.

and this is beacuse amd-ati are siply the best!!! :))
 

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Because in that test at guru3d was only nvidia cards and that is not a similar test.

and this is beacuse amd-ati are siply the best!!! :))
 

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[citation][nom]cucu[/nom]Because in that test at guru3d was only nvidia cards and that is not a similar test.and this is beacuse amd-ati are siply the best!!! )[/citation]

Fanboy ehh? means basicly we should ignore your post alltogether!

Anyway, that it doesn't compare the 280 to ati ones in the test still doesn't explain why sli scales so well and in general does very well in their tests, while the mashine thg received doesn't.
 

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""ps. I hope nvidia releases a new card to trumph the 4870, so that I can have proper drivers again. ati may be good at cf, but nvidia knows how to deal with multimonitor setups"

Because you didn't see the demo with 8 monitors with microsoft flight simulator on linux with ati cards.
 

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Falcon is the clear winner for anyone that wants to game at the 1920x1200 resolution. Or maybe CF is the real winner, either way some useful information.
 

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[citation][nom]cucu[/nom]""ps. I hope nvidia releases a new card to trumph the 4870, so that I can have proper drivers again. ati may be good at cf, but nvidia knows how to deal with multimonitor setups" Because you didn't see the demo with 8 monitors with microsoft flight simulator on linux with ati cards.[/citation]
No I didn't. I have absolutely no idea which demo you're referring to. But that doesn't matter anyway. I know the issues with ati drivers and multi monitors first hand, since I had it back with my x800, and I bloody still have it with my hd4870. With nvidia on the other hand I've only had multimonitor problems with a select few geforce 2/4 mx cards given lack of support for the cards in certain driver versions.
In any event, I wasn't expecting my hd4870 to be so powerful yet so useless at anything other than single monitor gaming.
ps. one of my collegues has an 4870 card too, and is equally dissatisfied by it, for different reasons. It's a fast card no doubt, but the software team @ ati always were rubbish, and they obviously still are.
 

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ATI FTW, who said that radeon card not good for crysis
it's even beat tri SLI.

nvidia must be shocking with this result.
 

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I would have liked to see the 32-bit benchmarks on the 64-bit OS. Not everyone has the option of uninstalling the $300 dollar OS and installing a different $300 OS (I guess it's perspective since it's a 6-8K gaming rig). How well would the 32- bit games have run under 64-bit windows? Was the reason the Vigor failed the memory benchmarks under 64-bit but had no noticeable difference under 32-bit related to the fact that it had 8Gigs of memory? I won't be buying a $8K machine, and I doubt I'll ever switch to Vista (though I do run XP Pro x64), but it would be interesting to see how these machines performed with factory-configured software.
 

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[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]
one of my collegues has an 4870 card too, and is equally dissatisfied by it, for different reasons. It's a fast card no doubt, but the software team @ ati always were rubbish, and they obviously still are.[/citation]

I've been running 3870CF for most of this year without any issues and plan to bump to the 4870x2.
 

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Falcon obviously is the better buy here.

the vigor is overdone "Tim the Tool Man Taylor" style: more doesn't win but is impressive to watch.
 
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