But you can get even the same with a Barton and higher, look at Scotchen's one.
At the same clock speeds say 2.5 GHz for argument's sake, Barton will run cooler and outperform the TBred coz of the extra cache.
I'm not relly all that knowledgable compared to some of you guys out there but from reading these forums over the past months, what I have mentioned holds true.
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