Tomshardware got owned !!

[HansGruber]

<A HREF="http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=908746#post908746" target="_new">Ahahahahahahaaa...</A>

What the hell they are thinking ?


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[endyen]

Reality check!!!
Do you really think a sempron hsf could keep that chip, @ 100% load, sub 55c?
If it is a sempron fan, who gives a FF, since it is keeping the chip sub 55c.

 

[P4Man]

Ahemm.. that is not the AMD X2 stock cooler you are picturing there, its a Thermal Take cooler.

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[HansGruber]

Ahemm.. that is not the AMD X2 stock cooler you are picturing there, its a Thermal Take cooler.

Ahemmm AMD doesn't make any coolers, those coolers are made by companies like thermaltake.
It just happens to be with a thermaltake logo.
That cooler with heatpipes is a X2 cooler, and very similar cooler is used for FX cpu's.
What matter here is the performance of the cooler, and that thermaltake cooler is identical in performance to X2's boxed cooler.

Reality check!!!
Do you really think a sempron hsf could keep that chip, @ 100% load, sub 55c?
If it is a sempron fan, who gives a FF, since it is keeping the chip sub 55c.

Why the hell THG is the only site on this planet that uses cooler that is NOT for X2 ?
Yes i know that X2 runs cool enough, but that wasn't the point.
Fact is that AMD supplied that bigger cooler with the X2 to every site that reviewed X2.



<font color=red>"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
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[endyen]

Well, I wouldn't take anything fron Hans buddies too seriously. I just read a bunch of that thread, and most of the posters make our noobs look like f-ing brilliant.
Someone should at least tell them that the original Intel fan ( on the gigabyte board) was a boxed cooler. So is the one on there now.

 

[P4Man]

>Ahemmm AMD doesn't make any coolers, those coolers are made
>by companies like thermaltake.
>It just happens to be with a thermaltake logo.

This is a quote from the article where you got the pic from:
"Some Pictures of the test-bed with our oversized Thermaltake cooler".And "The rest of the components used in our test bed consisted <...> and a the large Thermaltake cooler you see here. With what is basically a pair of 4000+ processors under the hood, the Athlon 64 X2 4800+ requires a robust cooling solution. This copper / aluminum hybrid cooler with heat-pipes, which is reminiscent of the cooler supplied with the Athlon 64 FX-55, was up to the task though,..."

I don't read anywhere that was the cooler that came with the boxed X2. In fact, AFAIK neither AMD or Intel ever ship a branded HSF with their cpu's, so clearly this is NOT a stock cooler.

>What matter here is the performance of the cooler, and that
>thermaltake cooler is identical in performance to X2's boxed
> cooler

Indeed this is what matters, but I still assume THG used the boxed cooler. Do you have a picture anywhere of a PIB with the AMD stock cooler ? I searched all over, but came up with nothing.

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[HansGruber]

I didn't read the article, i just took the pic since it was bigger than in one other article.

But that cooler used in THG review is NOT X2 cooler.

My little mistake doesn't mean that THG didnt [-peep-] up.

<A HREF="http://www.amdzone.com/pics/cpus/athlon64/4800+/testbench.jpg" target="_new">4800 boxed cooler</A>

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[P4Man]

PIB=process in a box. Might be an intel term though.

>Those copper heatpipe stock coolers do come with the retail
>FX-55 and maybe FX-53 too.

But not with a TT logo on them. Besides, FX55 is likely a hotter chip than the X2, since its a higher clocked 130nm part, so it wouldn't be that surprising to see a smaller stock cooler on the X2.

Regardless, someone show me a pic of a stock X2 cooler to prove that THG used something else, otherwise, this is all rubbish.

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[endyen]

PIB?

Processor In a Box

 

[P4Man]

>4800 boxed cooler

Now thats more like it. And indeed the article mentions 'stock cooler', so it looks like you have a point.

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[endyen]

And no, it's not a Tt unit, and yes it is the same blue color we see in the Tom's shots.
And yes, I wish we could get new AVC units locally.

 

[endyen]

The hsf listed in the article is <A HREF="http://www.ajigo.com/prod_detail.php?PN=MF043-044&parent=/prod_ThermalMgmt.php" target="_new">http://www.ajigo.com/prod_detail.php?PN=MF043-044&parent=/prod_ThermalMgmt.php</A>
It is rated for use with A64s, and opterons. It looks like the right fan to me.

 

[HansGruber]

The hsf listed in the article is http://www.ajigo.com/prod_detail.php?PN=MF043-044&parent=/prod_ThermalMgmt.php
It is rated for use with A64s, and opterons. It looks like the right fan to me.

Are you saying that it is good enough for X2 4800 ?
Yes, it fits physically.
But it is NOT suitable for all A64 CPU's.

My Opteron 140 has identical cooler as boxed, but i would not use this with 64 4000 or with any top end Opterons.

<font color=red>"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
- Albert Einstein</font color=red>

 

[endyen]

The thing weighs 450 grms. That's a pound.
The fan has nine blades, spins at up to 6k rpms and can move more air than a standard bathroom fan.WTF do you want?

 

[HansGruber]

All those coolers look almost identical.
So how you can be so sure that it is the cooler ?
Are you running that test ?

And it is NOT X2's boxed cooler like the article claims.


<font color=red>"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
- Albert Einstein</font color=red>

 

[endyen]

It's just as much a boxed cooler as that AVC unit you pointed to. Every boxed unit I've seen had an AMD sticker, not the maker's sticker. If you are trying to say that Amd always uses the same hsf for any single chip, you are just so wrong. I have bought three identical chips, all with boxed coolers made by different companies.
Bottom line is that the chip is putting out close to 130w of heat, and that hsf is holding the temp below 55c. I think that's damned impressive.
Wusy, it's a 70mm unit and it says the weight in the specs <A HREF="http://www.ajigo.com/prod_detail.php?PN=MF043-044&parent=/prod_ThermalMgmt.php#specs" target="_new">http://www.ajigo.com/prod_detail.php?PN=MF043-044&parent=/prod_ThermalMgmt.php#specs</A>

 

[endyen]

Yah, like 4X the size.

 

[endyen]

It must have a lot more copper than you think.

 

[HansGruber]

It's just as much a boxed cooler as that AVC unit you pointed to. Every boxed unit I've seen had an AMD sticker, not the maker's sticker. If you are trying to say that Amd always uses the same hsf for any single chip, you are just so wrong. I have bought three identical chips, all with boxed coolers made by different companies.
Bottom line is that the chip is putting out close to 130w of heat, and that hsf is holding the temp below 55c. I think that's damned impressive.
Wusy, it's a 70mm unit and it says the weight in the specs

It still is'nt X2 4800 boxed cooler.
Also i don't want to repeat this all the time.

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[mpasternak]

unless the damn cooler came out of the same box that the CPU came in.. I wont count it as the "boxed cooler".

if it aint being shipped yet, than there's still chance for change and differences in what we get. best assumption we can make is "close to boxed cooler spec"

 

[HansGruber]

But just how can it [-peep-] weigh 450g when it only has got a thin arse copper base?
Heck my Swiftech(460g) and SLK-900U(~450g) are massive and better than that piece of 450g paperweight [-peep-]!

My Opteron 140 CPU cooler is identical, and it's weight is quite something.
It has very thick copper base..

It is possible that this cooler could keep X2 cool enough if case temp is low, as seems to be the situation at THG test.
AMD might even ship this cooler with lower end X2's, and maybe it's even better than i have, making it good enough for 4800..
So my comment that THG is trying to fry X2 is a bit too much to be said..
But they still lack honesty.

Biggest problem in that THG test is that they don't report things well enough and it creates confusion.
IMO they should write every little thing about it, without any bias, just the facts.
No speculation, just the naked version of every little detail and decision..

Another option is that they should only evaluate case paintings..

ps. it's sad that some people have to make an effort if they want to be honest.

<font color=red>"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
- Albert Einstein</font color=red>

 

[P4Man]

>Bottom line is that the chip is putting out close to 130w of
>heat

Nope. The X2 4800+ requires *less* power than a FX55 and only marginally more than a 3800+

<A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2_4.html" target="_new">http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2_4.html</A>

Keep in mind that those numbers include PSU inefficiency, so the actual power consumption is likely some 20% less.

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[HansGruber]

lol. But it is surprisingly heavy for it's size, it really is.
But i doubt that it qualifies as X2 cooler.

The X2 4800+ requires *less* power than a FX55 and only marginally more than a 3800+

Yes but..
X2 4800 heat output can change more rapidly than in FX-53 due to 2 cores, so total max is not comparable, at least i believe so.
It kinda makes sense if max TDP is close to FX-53 to have a better cooler, because of 2 cores.

We should try to search more reviews and pics of actual retail boxes of X2 4800 to verify this.
No point to speculate whole summer about this. :tongue:

<font color=red>"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
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[endyen]

I will agree that the guys who built the intel system were not the brightest lamps in the box. I certainly wont give them credit for following manuals since I'm not even sure they can read. It would appear though, that the smartest of the group did copy the label info from the hsf. They posted it in the original review. From the manufacturer's page, we see that it is clearly not a sempron hsf.
I am pretty sure that Amd is following this project closely, and would have called foul, if that hsf was not the correct unit.

 

[HansGruber]

Some enthusiast forums are full of trolls on a payroll..

ps. Im going to start call em shareholders.. :lol:

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