Tornado Elemental and Shivan Dragon with Tooth and Nail

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I use Tooth and Nail to put in play two creatures:

Tornado Elemental
{5}{G}{G}
Creature -- Elemental
6/6
When Tornado Elemental comes into play, it deals 6 damage to each
creature with flying.
You may have Tornado Elemental deal its combat damage to defending
player as though it weren't blocked.

and

Shivan Dragon
{4}{R}{R}
Creature -- Dragon
5/5
Flying
{R}: Shivan Dragon gets +1/+0 until end of turn.

Does Shivan Dragon die?

TIA

 

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Sesto Pompeo sez:

<<
>I use Tooth and Nail to put in play two creatures:
>
>Tornado Elemental
>{5}{G}{G}
>Creature -- Elemental
>6/6
>When Tornado Elemental comes into play, it deals 6 damage to each
>creature with flying.
>You may have Tornado Elemental deal its combat damage to defending
>player as though it weren't blocked.
>
>and
>
>Shivan Dragon
>{4}{R}{R}
>Creature -- Dragon
>5/5
>Flying
>{R}: Shivan Dragon gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
>
>Does Shivan Dragon die?

>
>>

Yep. Sorry.

They both come into play at the same time, so the Dragon gets caught in the
Tornado...



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Sesto Pompeo, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
> I use Tooth and Nail to put in play two creatures:
>
> Tornado Elemental
> {5}{G}{G}
> Creature -- Elemental
> 6/6
> When Tornado Elemental comes into play, it deals 6 damage to each
> creature with flying.
> You may have Tornado Elemental deal its combat damage to defending
> player as though it weren't blocked.
>
> and
>
> Shivan Dragon
> {4}{R}{R}
> Creature -- Dragon
> 5/5
> Flying
> {R}: Shivan Dragon gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
>
> Does Shivan Dragon die?

Yes. Both of them come into play at once, then Tornado Elemental's
ability goes on the stack; some time later the TE ability resolves, and
unless you've done something to get your Shivan out of the way in the
meantime, it dies at that point.

 

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:47:06 +0200, Sesto Pompeo <sestopompeo@iname.com> wrote:
>I use Tooth and Nail to put in play two creatures:
>
>Tornado Elemental 5GG Creature -- Elemental
>6/6 When ~ comes into play, it deals 6 damage to each creature with flying. /
> You may have Tornado Elemental deal its combat damage to defending player as
> though it weren't blocked.
>
>and
>
>Shivan Dragon 4RR Creature -- Dragon
>5/5 Flying R: ~ gets +1/+0 until end of turn.

Oops. Poor choice of two creatures there.

>Does Shivan Dragon die?

Yes. Both appear in play at once, during Tooth and Nail's resolution; the TE
abilit triggers then. Tooth and Nail finishes resolving and goes to your
graveyard. Then TE's triggered ability goes onto the stack; finally, you
(usually it's your turn here) get priority.

Later on, TE's ability resolves, and deals 6 damage to each creature with
Flying. Shivan Dragon, if nothing has happened to it in the meantime, is
a 5/5 creature with Flying, and gets dealt 6 damage from the TE, which kills
the Dragon a moment later when state-based effects are checked for. The TE
does not have Flying itself, so doesn't damage itself.

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