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I forgot how much fun that was!

Usually I'd create a flightplan in FSNav and let that fly the plane.
When flying the PMDG737 I let the FMC take care of that.

Today I did a more traditional flight.

I created an IFR flightplan, filed it, wrote down the frequencies for the
NDBs and VORs I'd be flying over and took off.
I took a peek at the GPS every once in a while to make sure I was still
going the right way, which I ofcourse was.

On top of that I adjusted the altimeter manually (in stead of pressing 'B')
and kept my eyes on the gauges.

When I was in range of my destination, and after getting a runway assigned,
I set the ILS frequency in Nav1, airport VOR in Nav2, entered the
glideslope just perfectly, hit APPR and disengaged the AP at the DH.

A perfect touchdown! Two hours of absolute fun....
I've gotta do that more often.
I was amazed that I remembered how to do all that!

--

Marcel
(Mmmmmm.....beer and doughnuts. - Homer Simpson)
 
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"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I forgot how much fun that was!
>
> Usually I'd create a flightplan in FSNav and let that fly the plane.
> When flying the PMDG737 I let the FMC take care of that.
>
> Today I did a more traditional flight.
>
> I created an IFR flightplan, filed it, wrote down the frequencies for the
> NDBs and VORs I'd be flying over and took off.
> I took a peek at the GPS every once in a while to make sure I was still
> going the right way, which I ofcourse was.
>
> On top of that I adjusted the altimeter manually (in stead of pressing
'B')
> and kept my eyes on the gauges.
>
> When I was in range of my destination, and after getting a runway
assigned,
> I set the ILS frequency in Nav1, airport VOR in Nav2, entered the
> glideslope just perfectly, hit APPR and disengaged the AP at the DH.
>
> A perfect touchdown! Two hours of absolute fun....
> I've gotta do that more often.
> I was amazed that I remembered how to do all that!
>

It gets even more fun if you can lay your hands on a 1:500,000 nav map and
a course/wind calculator and fly a "VFR" type aircraft such as the Baron.
Plot a route that uses some non-VOR/NDB waypoints like a rail/river/road
crossing point. Put in the occasional NDB/VOR in there as a waypoint just
for a "fix" (if you feel you really must). Dial in some wind (it's
sometimes nice if you "arrange" for the wind to be straight down your
arrival runway) and then calculate your headings and leg times taking the
wind into consideration. Then go and fly the route - FS is really quite
accurate enough to do this, although the mag var isn't so well done. All
the same, fly the aircraft by hand (no autopilot cheating) and it's a real
sense of satisfaction when the goal runway appears right where you expect it
to. For added fun (complications?) set the time to night (so you can't see
your road/rail/river waypoints) and/or make the viz 2 or 3 miles. Now
you're on the stopwatch and your skills! It gets even more fun if your
route segments run over terrain of differing elevations and you fly at the
minimum height for each segment (at night, in 2 nm viz). Are you sure
you're over the low-lying bit? Are your calculations a bit out and you're
descending too early and heading for the top of that 4,000 foot hill? Yes,
there's more than one way to enjoy FS - it's not all heavy tin 30,000 ft
stuff.

Steve
 
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What about . . . open cockpit, scarf around your neck, goggles and leather
flight jacket. Nah. Not for me. Gimme that technology.
Danny

"Steve" <steve.deletemefirst@zord.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:i4ta04i1c5qe$.sxl1mp0vzgn6$.dlg@40tude.net...
> >
> > I forgot how much fun that was!
> >
> > Usually I'd create a flightplan in FSNav and let that fly the plane.
> > When flying the PMDG737 I let the FMC take care of that.
> >
> > Today I did a more traditional flight.
> >
> > I created an IFR flightplan, filed it, wrote down the frequencies for
the
> > NDBs and VORs I'd be flying over and took off.
> > I took a peek at the GPS every once in a while to make sure I was still
> > going the right way, which I ofcourse was.
> >
> > On top of that I adjusted the altimeter manually (in stead of pressing
> 'B')
> > and kept my eyes on the gauges.
> >
> > When I was in range of my destination, and after getting a runway
> assigned,
> > I set the ILS frequency in Nav1, airport VOR in Nav2, entered the
> > glideslope just perfectly, hit APPR and disengaged the AP at the DH.
> >
> > A perfect touchdown! Two hours of absolute fun....
> > I've gotta do that more often.
> > I was amazed that I remembered how to do all that!
> >
>
> It gets even more fun if you can lay your hands on a 1:500,000 nav map
and
> a course/wind calculator and fly a "VFR" type aircraft such as the Baron.
> Plot a route that uses some non-VOR/NDB waypoints like a rail/river/road
> crossing point. Put in the occasional NDB/VOR in there as a waypoint just
> for a "fix" (if you feel you really must). Dial in some wind (it's
> sometimes nice if you "arrange" for the wind to be straight down your
> arrival runway) and then calculate your headings and leg times taking the
> wind into consideration. Then go and fly the route - FS is really quite
> accurate enough to do this, although the mag var isn't so well done. All
> the same, fly the aircraft by hand (no autopilot cheating) and it's a real
> sense of satisfaction when the goal runway appears right where you expect
it
> to. For added fun (complications?) set the time to night (so you can't
see
> your road/rail/river waypoints) and/or make the viz 2 or 3 miles. Now
> you're on the stopwatch and your skills! It gets even more fun if your
> route segments run over terrain of differing elevations and you fly at the
> minimum height for each segment (at night, in 2 nm viz). Are you sure
> you're over the low-lying bit? Are your calculations a bit out and you're
> descending too early and heading for the top of that 4,000 foot hill?
Yes,
> there's more than one way to enjoy FS - it's not all heavy tin 30,000 ft
> stuff.
>
> Steve
>
>
 
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> "Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:i4ta04i1c5qe$.sxl1mp0vzgn6$.dlg@40tude.net...
>
>>I forgot how much fun that was!
>>
>>Usually I'd create a flightplan in FSNav and let that fly the plane.
>>When flying the PMDG737 I let the FMC take care of that.
>>
>>Today I did a more traditional flight.
>>
>>I created an IFR flightplan, filed it, wrote down the frequencies for the
>>NDBs and VORs I'd be flying over and took off.
>>I took a peek at the GPS every once in a while to make sure I was still
>>going the right way, which I ofcourse was.
>>
>>On top of that I adjusted the altimeter manually (in stead of pressing
>
> 'B')
>
>>and kept my eyes on the gauges.
>>
>>When I was in range of my destination, and after getting a runway
>
> assigned,
>
>>I set the ILS frequency in Nav1, airport VOR in Nav2, entered the
>>glideslope just perfectly, hit APPR and disengaged the AP at the DH.
>>
>>A perfect touchdown! Two hours of absolute fun....
>>I've gotta do that more often.
>>I was amazed that I remembered how to do all that!
>>

Flying that way is tough and I know how good it felt to fly the whole
flight. I usually do one of those at the AeroTexas VA at night with WX
set at Gray and Rainy.. The "Fogged In" setting is too wishy washy.
It's either no vis at all or blue sky.

You know me well enough to know what I'd recommend. And an 700 foot
overcast or the Gray and Rainy setting. And no using the MovingMap,
autopilot, fsnav OR the GPS. :)

You want to feel a sense of accomplishment.

--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
 
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aha Marcel.. that's the only way I do it ..seems to have a greater sense of
achievement for me plus being more enjoyable. But.. I never use GPS to
peek.As far as I'm concerned it doesnt exist. On the 747.200 I have, both
Nav I and Nav 2 are set on the ILS frequency and "land" is selected.. I
think thit is the first time I've used that procedure on flight sim. Used
to enjoy taking off at night into the gloom and rain from Paris and and not
seeing a thing until the threshhold at Heathrow. Havn't done that one for a
while
Regards
Butts


"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I forgot how much fun that was!
>
> Usually I'd create a flightplan in FSNav and let that fly the plane.
> When flying the PMDG737 I let the FMC take care of that.
>
> Today I did a more traditional flight.
>
> I created an IFR flightplan, filed it, wrote down the frequencies for the
> NDBs and VORs I'd be flying over and took off.
> I took a peek at the GPS every once in a while to make sure I was still
> going the right way, which I ofcourse was.
>
> On top of that I adjusted the altimeter manually (in stead of pressing
> 'B')
> and kept my eyes on the gauges.
>
> When I was in range of my destination, and after getting a runway
> assigned,
> I set the ILS frequency in Nav1, airport VOR in Nav2, entered the
> glideslope just perfectly, hit APPR and disengaged the AP at the DH.
>
> A perfect touchdown! Two hours of absolute fun....
> I've gotta do that more often.
> I was amazed that I remembered how to do all that!
>
> --
>
> Marcel
> (Mmmmmm.....beer and doughnuts. - Homer Simpson)
 
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For a real sense of flying without any navaids etc I turn the monitor off
for 2 hours and see where I end up at when it comes back on LOL!!

Chris


"boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> wrote in message
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>
>> "Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:i4ta04i1c5qe$.sxl1mp0vzgn6$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>
>>>I forgot how much fun that was!
>>>
>>>Usually I'd create a flightplan in FSNav and let that fly the plane.
>>>When flying the PMDG737 I let the FMC take care of that.
>>>
>>>Today I did a more traditional flight.
>>>
>>>I created an IFR flightplan, filed it, wrote down the frequencies for the
>>>NDBs and VORs I'd be flying over and took off.
>>>I took a peek at the GPS every once in a while to make sure I was still
>>>going the right way, which I ofcourse was.
>>>
>>>On top of that I adjusted the altimeter manually (in stead of pressing
>>
>> 'B')
>>
>>>and kept my eyes on the gauges.
>>>
>>>When I was in range of my destination, and after getting a runway
>>
>> assigned,
>>
>>>I set the ILS frequency in Nav1, airport VOR in Nav2, entered the
>>>glideslope just perfectly, hit APPR and disengaged the AP at the DH.
>>>
>>>A perfect touchdown! Two hours of absolute fun....
>>>I've gotta do that more often.
>>>I was amazed that I remembered how to do all that!
>>>
>
> Flying that way is tough and I know how good it felt to fly the whole
> flight. I usually do one of those at the AeroTexas VA at night with WX set
> at Gray and Rainy.. The "Fogged In" setting is too wishy washy. It's
> either no vis at all or blue sky.
>
> You know me well enough to know what I'd recommend. And an 700 foot
> overcast or the Gray and Rainy setting. And no using the MovingMap,
> autopilot, fsnav OR the GPS. :)
>
> You want to feel a sense of accomplishment.
>
> --
>
> boB
>
> U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
> Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
 
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Bob

For a real sense of flying and challenge without any navaids etc I turn the
monitor off
for 2 hours and see where I end up at when I turn it back on LOL!!

Chris


> Flying that way is tough and I know how good it felt to fly the whole
> flight. I usually do one of those at the AeroTexas VA at night with WX set
> at Gray and Rainy.. The "Fogged In" setting is too wishy washy. It's
> either no vis at all or blue sky.
>
> You know me well enough to know what I'd recommend. And an 700 foot
> overcast or the Gray and Rainy setting. And no using the MovingMap,
> autopilot, fsnav OR the GPS. :)
>
> You want to feel a sense of accomplishment.
>
> --
>
> boB
>
> U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
> Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
 
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haha Chris I love it, I have done then "get to 40,000 ft in 737 and just
leave it on straight line course towards OZ and come back few hours
later...I was quite disappointed by the fact that only the scenery had
changed..lol

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"Chris" <chris@mwapartnership.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Bob
>
> For a real sense of flying and challenge without any navaids etc I turn
> the monitor off
> for 2 hours and see where I end up at when I turn it back on LOL!!
>
> Chris
>
>
>> Flying that way is tough and I know how good it felt to fly the whole
>> flight. I usually do one of those at the AeroTexas VA at night with WX
>> set at Gray and Rainy.. The "Fogged In" setting is too wishy washy. It's
>> either no vis at all or blue sky.
>>
>> You know me well enough to know what I'd recommend. And an 700 foot
>> overcast or the Gray and Rainy setting. And no using the MovingMap,
>> autopilot, fsnav OR the GPS. :)
>>
>> You want to feel a sense of accomplishment.
>>
>> --
>>
>> boB
>>
>> U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
>> Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
>
>
 
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yeah this type of flying really does show the power of MS. I like long haul
747 passenger imagining everything in my head like a 7 year old stuff, but I
also do love going back to basics and flying somewhere new, interesting, and
a bit challenging. I think the misty fords and whole Alaska VFR flying
brings it out swell

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"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I forgot how much fun that was!
>
> Usually I'd create a flightplan in FSNav and let that fly the plane.
> When flying the PMDG737 I let the FMC take care of that.
>
> Today I did a more traditional flight.
>
> I created an IFR flightplan, filed it, wrote down the frequencies for the
> NDBs and VORs I'd be flying over and took off.
> I took a peek at the GPS every once in a while to make sure I was still
> going the right way, which I ofcourse was.
>
> On top of that I adjusted the altimeter manually (in stead of pressing
> 'B')
> and kept my eyes on the gauges.
>
> When I was in range of my destination, and after getting a runway
> assigned,
> I set the ILS frequency in Nav1, airport VOR in Nav2, entered the
> glideslope just perfectly, hit APPR and disengaged the AP at the DH.
>
> A perfect touchdown! Two hours of absolute fun....
> I've gotta do that more often.
> I was amazed that I remembered how to do all that!
>
> --
>
> Marcel
> (Mmmmmm.....beer and doughnuts. - Homer Simpson)
 
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:42:15 +1200, donbutts wrote:

> aha Marcel.. that's the only way I do it ..seems to have a greater sense of
> achievement for me plus being more enjoyable. But.. I never use GPS to
> peek.As far as I'm concerned it doesnt exist. On the 747.200 I have, both
> Nav I and Nav 2 are set on the ILS frequency and "land" is selected.. I
> think thit is the first time I've used that procedure on flight sim. Used
> to enjoy taking off at night into the gloom and rain from Paris and and not
> seeing a thing until the threshhold at Heathrow. Havn't done that one for a
> while

Sense of achievement.....that hit it right on the head, Don.
That's exactly what it is. Knowing that you can do it.

In the 742 there's no FMC, right? How do you navigate over the ocean?
There aren't that many beacons in the water.

--

Marcel
(I've got a baaad feeling about this.....)
 
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:59:30 +0000 (UTC), Steve wrote:

> It gets even more fun if you can lay your hands on a 1:500,000 nav map and
> a course/wind calculator and fly a "VFR" type aircraft such as the Baron.
> Plot a route that uses some non-VOR/NDB waypoints like a rail/river/road
> crossing point. Put in the occasional NDB/VOR in there as a waypoint just
> for a "fix" (if you feel you really must). Dial in some wind (it's
> sometimes nice if you "arrange" for the wind to be straight down your
> arrival runway) and then calculate your headings and leg times taking the
> wind into consideration. Then go and fly the route - FS is really quite
> accurate enough to do this, although the mag var isn't so well done. All
> the same, fly the aircraft by hand (no autopilot cheating) and it's a real
> sense of satisfaction when the goal runway appears right where you expect it
> to. For added fun (complications?) set the time to night (so you can't see
> your road/rail/river waypoints) and/or make the viz 2 or 3 miles. Now
> you're on the stopwatch and your skills! It gets even more fun if your
> route segments run over terrain of differing elevations and you fly at the
> minimum height for each segment (at night, in 2 nm viz). Are you sure
> you're over the low-lying bit? Are your calculations a bit out and you're
> descending too early and heading for the top of that 4,000 foot hill? Yes,
> there's more than one way to enjoy FS - it's not all heavy tin 30,000 ft
> stuff.

Ooooh...actual map reading. That *could* be a challenge!
One beacon every 200 nm seems good.
The problem is that I don't know how to use a course/wind calculator.

The Aviation Hobby Shop just outside of EHAM has plenty of goodies for the
real GA and helicopter pilots, but I never thought they could be used for
the sim too.

--

Marcel
(There's no such thing as a natural-born pilot. - Chuck Yeager)
 
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 01:11:14 GMT, boB wrote:

> Flying that way is tough and I know how good it felt to fly the whole
> flight. I usually do one of those at the AeroTexas VA at night with WX
> set at Gray and Rainy.. The "Fogged In" setting is too wishy washy.
> It's either no vis at all or blue sky.

Well I wouldn't actually consider it "tough". Not if you know what you're
doing. It's the most basic way of flying and the sim teaches it to us.
But as we upgrade our fleet, some of us stick to FMC-equipped planes or let
an add-on navigation program take-over.
Every once in a while one should get back behind the controls of a more
basic GA and see how well you do. I thought I'd get lost, but far from it!

Hey here's an idea....if our cars were equipped with the same type of
avionics equipment a plane has, we would never get lost and we would never
have those nasty conversations with our better halves regarding the misuse
of roadmaps and not paying enough attention to those roadsigns.

"There's no harm in pulling over and asking for directions!!"
Sound familiar? 🙂


> You know me well enough to know what I'd recommend. And an 700 foot
> overcast or the Gray and Rainy setting. And no using the MovingMap,
> autopilot, fsnav OR the GPS. :)

You're talking really old-school flying there....I don't know if I can do
that in a helo. I can take off, fly and gentley land one, but that's just
during really short hops. No more than 100nm. And that's more or less a
testflight to see how she handles.


> You want to feel a sense of accomplishment.

Exact-a-mundo!

--

Marcel
(You've got clearance, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?)
 
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:25:08 +0200, Marcel Kuijper wrote:

> Hey here's an idea....if our cars were equipped with the same type of
> avionics equipment a plane has, we would never get lost and we would never
> have those nasty conversations with our better halves regarding the misuse
> of roadmaps and not paying enough attention to those roadsigns.

Ha! There was a commercial that ran the other day for (maybe Honda?) where
the little missus was asking hubby about all the fancy gadgets in their new
van... DVD, CD Player, TV, etc. He says, "Yeah, this baby has it all!"

Then she points to the GPS (which is OFF, BTW) and asks him, "Then why
aren't you using this???"

He replies..."I'm not lost!"

Pan to outside of car lost in middle of the desert towing their boat...
 
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:36:12 GMT, Chris Harries wrote:

> yeah this type of flying really does show the power of MS. I like long haul
> 747 passenger imagining everything in my head like a 7 year old stuff, but I
> also do love going back to basics and flying somewhere new, interesting, and
> a bit challenging. I think the misty fords and whole Alaska VFR flying
> brings it out swell

Well I'll leave the bush flying to Melissa, but I know what you mean.

--

Marcel
(Q: What do you do when Stormtroopers look for you?
A: Lock the doors. And hope they don't have blasters!)
 
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"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:59:30 +0000 (UTC), Steve wrote:
>
> > It gets even more fun if you can lay your hands on a 1:500,000 nav map
and
> > a course/wind calculator and fly a "VFR" type aircraft such as the
Baron.

<snip>

>
> Ooooh...actual map reading. That *could* be a challenge!
> One beacon every 200 nm seems good.
> The problem is that I don't know how to use a course/wind calculator.
>
> The Aviation Hobby Shop just outside of EHAM has plenty of goodies for the
> real GA and helicopter pilots, but I never thought they could be used for
> the sim too.
>

Buying new maps/calculators is a relatively expensive undertaking (it
depends on how serious you are about your sim flying) but you might come
across someone who has an out of date map that they'll let you have.
Calculators come up on eBay from time to time. You can get electronic ones,
but the old Mk1 analogue sort is just as good.

You don't need to go a huge distance to have fun - try a short-ish
triangular route first that uses small airfields as your turning points
(easier to see in FS) and brings you back to your departure airfield. When
that works, get more adventurous.

As for how to use a drift/course calculator, they usually come with
instructions. I'm sure there must be a guide on the www somewhere too.

Steve
 
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Steve wrote:


>
>>Ooooh...actual map reading. That *could* be a challenge!
>>One beacon every 200 nm seems good.
>>The problem is that I don't know how to use a course/wind calculator.
>>
>>The Aviation Hobby Shop just outside of EHAM has plenty of goodies for the
>>real GA and helicopter pilots, but I never thought they could be used for
>>the sim too.
>>
>
>
> Buying new maps/calculators is a relatively expensive undertaking (it
> depends on how serious you are about your sim flying) but you might come
> across someone who has an out of date map that they'll let you have.
> Calculators come up on eBay from time to time. You can get electronic ones,
> but the old Mk1 analogue sort is just as good.
>
> You don't need to go a huge distance to have fun - try a short-ish
> triangular route first that uses small airfields as your turning points
> (easier to see in FS) and brings you back to your departure airfield. When
> that works, get more adventurous.
>
> As for how to use a drift/course calculator, they usually come with
> instructions. I'm sure there must be a guide on the www somewhere too.
>
> Steve


And for a triangular route you can use those map sheets that come with
that moving map utility.


--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
 
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"Steve" <steve.deletemefirst@zord.co.uk> wrote in message
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> A quick google search popped up this:
> http://www.aerotraining.com/reference/AC%2061-23C_Chapter_8_Canada.pdf
>
> It's in PDF format and about 1.6 Mb but all the basics for VFR hand-flying
> and navigation (including drift calculations) are in there.
>
> Steve
>
>

And another quick search for an E6-B flight computer produced this:
http://www.acespilotshop.com/pilot-supplies/flight-computers/student_csg.htm

Have fun,
Steve
 
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:18:50 -0400, Bill Leaming wrote:

> Ha! There was a commercial that ran the other day for (maybe Honda?) where
> the little missus was asking hubby about all the fancy gadgets in their new
> van... DVD, CD Player, TV, etc. He says, "Yeah, this baby has it all!"
>
> Then she points to the GPS (which is OFF, BTW) and asks him, "Then why
> aren't you using this???"
>
> He replies..."I'm not lost!"
>
> Pan to outside of car lost in middle of the desert towing their boat...

ROTFL!!!

It's tough to be a man!

--

Marcel
(I'm leaving on a jetplane, I don't know when I'll be back again.)
 
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:10:20 +0000 (UTC), Steve wrote:

> You don't need to go a huge distance to have fun - try a short-ish
> triangular route first that uses small airfields as your turning points
> (easier to see in FS) and brings you back to your departure airfield. When
> that works, get more adventurous.

Well I do pretty well navigating, so that should be a piece of cake.
The real challenge is doing it 0 visibility.
Using the Jeppesen CSG Flight Computer....now that's where the fun comes
in. I've seen them on sale in the Aviation Hobbyshop just outside of EHAM
and I've always been wanting to get one. Bet I didn't know how to use one.

Until I looked at that PDF you added....now there's a good place to start
learning! Thanks, Steve.

--

Marcel
(There's no such thing as a natural-born pilot. - Chuck Yeager)
 
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Marcel Kuijper wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:10:20 +0000 (UTC), Steve wrote:
>
>
>>You don't need to go a huge distance to have fun - try a short-ish
>>triangular route first that uses small airfields as your turning points
>>(easier to see in FS) and brings you back to your departure airfield. When
>>that works, get more adventurous.
>
>
> Well I do pretty well navigating, so that should be a piece of cake.
> The real challenge is doing it 0 visibility.
> Using the Jeppesen CSG Flight Computer....now that's where the fun comes
> in. I've seen them on sale in the Aviation Hobbyshop just outside of EHAM
> and I've always been wanting to get one. Bet I didn't know how to use one.
>
> Until I looked at that PDF you added....now there's a good place to start
> learning! Thanks, Steve.
>


Here are some interesting web pages.

Instructions
http://www.cgaux.info/g_ocx/missions/auxair/E6B_Manual.pdf

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:uXOwYZFI3D0J:www.cgaux.info/g_ocx/missions/auxair/E6B_Manual.pdf+e6b+computer+instructions&hl=en

E6B Emulator
http://www.csgnetwork.com/e6bcalc.html

--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
 
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:00:04 GMT, boB wrote:

> Here are some interesting web pages.
>
> Instructions
> http://www.cgaux.info/g_ocx/missions/auxair/E6B_Manual.pdf
>
> http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:uXOwYZFI3D0J:www.cgaux.info/g_ocx/missions/auxair/E6B_Manual.pdf+e6b+computer+instructions&hl=en
>
> E6B Emulator
> http://www.csgnetwork.com/e6bcalc.html

He shoots, he scores!
That'll definately get me started!

Thanks a bunch, boB.

--

Marcel
(life is a tricky thing...I'm glad I'm good at it!)
 
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Marcel Kuijper wrote:


>
>>I mentioned this some time ago when in 1988 I did an in-country tour of
>>duty change from the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment in Nurnberg with a
>>real-time mission along the border down to a General Support unit in
>>Stuttgart. All they did was fly VIPs all around Germany and I was
>>looking for a rest from the 16 hour days in 2CAS and being able to
>
>
> What's "2CAS"?
>
>


2nd Combat Aviation Squadron. Sorry, 2CAS is just burned into my brain.
That's where the Hind D raced up to the border asking their ground
control if he had permission to shoot us down. But we had that Cobra
shadowing us off a few hundred meters to protect us. Secret was, we
never flew armed on the border.


>
>>I got the rest from the 16 hour days, but since the OH-58D has all those
>>night fighting capabilities it just changed to a 16 hour NIGHT mission.
>
>
> Isn't 16 hours a bit long for flying? Aren't there rules to follow?
>
>


Yes, as in 16 hour duty days, not flight hours, in fact figuring out
crew endurance caused more crew endurance problems than it helped.
Let's see, if I flew 5 hours yesterday and I came to work at 9 pm and
left at 6am and the flight was in the 2nd through the 6th hours, I can
come to work at 9pm but can't fly until the 6th hour of the duty day but
since I have to stop flying at 2am ...... yada yada

There were 2 IP's training 11 pilots and 12 observers from the ground up
since we were a new unit and no one had been trained. In addition to
tactics, the observers had to be trained to fly the aircraft through
basic maneuvers which, at worst case, they could fly the aircraft home.

(SHHH even us, the IP's, had to wing it. We had to figure out just what
the hell we had to train to fight in these new aircraft)



>
> Now when flying covert I can see why things would have to be dark, but that
> doesn't mean the crew has to like it.
>




--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
 
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:41:51 GMT, boB wrote:

> 2nd Combat Aviation Squadron. Sorry, 2CAS is just burned into my brain.
> That's where the Hind D raced up to the border asking their ground
> control if he had permission to shoot us down. But we had that Cobra
> shadowing us off a few hundred meters to protect us. Secret was, we
> never flew armed on the border.

While in the Army during 1968-69 I was stationed in Camp Casey, Korea with
the 32nd Signal Battalion. We would make a sweep of the DMZ every other
week to carry 'hot swaps' out to the troops to exchange for their
defectives, as part of an effort to keep downtime for active units to a
minimum. In fact, many times we were able to effect repairs on the spot
and eliminate the need to do a 'hot swap.'

Although we in Signal Corps were assigned weapons, and were required to
carry them at all times, by order of the the Commanding General for Korean
Forces, we were not allowed to have either firing pins or live ammo... He
was afraid that we might "cause an incident" were we to say, fire at any
infiltrators who might slip across the DMZ... I'd be willing to bet that
the infiltrators didn't have any such silly rules!

Bill
 
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across the ocean?? well um yeah doppler/radar.. INS?? Instrument reference
system??
Nah most of my flying is across country so GPS never used. To go say 272
deg across the ocean to Brisbane I used to have a series of mainly southern
frequencies to ascertain my arrival point where I have ended up on the
coastline , but I am more recently guilty of peeking at map view :-\ just
a little though... :-/
Cheers

Don


"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:42:15 +1200, donbutts wrote:
>
>> aha Marcel.. that's the only way I do it ..seems to have a greater sense
>> of
>> achievement for me plus being more enjoyable. But.. I never use GPS to
>> peek.As far as I'm concerned it doesnt exist. On the 747.200 I have,
>> both
>> Nav I and Nav 2 are set on the ILS frequency and "land" is selected.. I
>> think thit is the first time I've used that procedure on flight sim.
>> Used
>> to enjoy taking off at night into the gloom and rain from Paris and and
>> not
>> seeing a thing until the threshhold at Heathrow. Havn't done that one for
>> a
>> while
>
> Sense of achievement.....that hit it right on the head, Don.
> That's exactly what it is. Knowing that you can do it.
>
> In the 742 there's no FMC, right? How do you navigate over the ocean?
> There aren't that many beacons in the water.
>
> --
>
> Marcel
> (I've got a baaad feeling about this.....)
 
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