Trouble with power on computer - wrong FSB?

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Deadm4n

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Hi,

Some time ago, I bought motherboard and CPU from second-hand and from beginning, I have problems with power on my computer: in 90% situation I only get blank screen. After few restarts, computer will power on and display "Overclocking failed, press F2 to load default and continue". Interesting is that, when I press restart button and computer shutdown after 1~2 seconds and power on again, I know that it will run correctly. When after pressing restart button the only thing is blinking hdd led, I know that I need to restart again.

What I have:
Motherboard: ASUS Maximus Extreme (rev 1), docs: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/MAXIMUS_EXTREME/HelpDesk_Manual/ spec: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/MAXIMUS_EXTREME/specifications/
CPU: Core 2 Quad Q6600, docs: https://ark.intel.com/en/products/29765/Intel-Core2-Quad-Processor-Q6600-8M-Cache-2_40-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB
RAM: 2x G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL7D-2GBRM, docs: https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-12800cl7d-4gbrm

My theory is that there is something wrong with FSB. My motherboard can run at 1600MHz, but for memory only 1333MHz (but in specification there is information, that it can run 1600MHz after OC). My memory can run at 1600MHz, where SPD have at 1333MHz, so I guessing that first few starting motherboard try to run memory at 1600MHz but it fails, so it set to lower frequency and finally it works. I have no idea how much this theory is correct, I spend few days to search resolution and educating myself in OC, but i'm still confused.

If above is correct, I consider two options:
1. Once more try to set correct values in BIOS
2. Buy new RAM which work in 1333MHz

For the curious, in documentation to motherboard which I put above on page 4-17 (95) there are all options in BIOS which I can set. [strike]But I couldn't find where I can set 1600MHz for memory, maximum value is 1066MHz.[/strike] In my answer for Lutfij's question is actual values in my BIOS.

And finally, what is my goal. Quite simply: I want to boot my computer seamlessly, so I can wake it up with wake-on-lan or simply suspend. And power it on quickly, when I don't have much time :) Performance is not so important.

Below some information from cpu-z:
 
Code: 
 
Processors Information
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Socket 1 ID = 0
Number of cores 4 (max 4)
Number of threads 4 (max 4)
Name Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
Codename Kentsfield
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz
Package (platform ID) Socket 775 LGA (0x4)
CPUID 6.F.B
Extended CPUID 6.F
Core Stepping G0
Technology 65 nm
Core Speed 1600.1 MHz
Multiplier x Bus Speed 6.0 x 266.7 MHz
Rated Bus speed 1066.7 MHz
Stock frequency 2400 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T, VT-x
L1 Data cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2 x 4096 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Max CPUID level 0000000Ah
Max CPUID ext. level 80000008h
Cache descriptor Level 1, D, 32 KB, 1 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 1, I, 32 KB, 1 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 2, U, 4 MB, 2 thread(s)
FID/VID Control yes
FID range 6.0x - 9.0x
Max VID 1.313 V
 
Code: 
Chipset
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Northbridge Intel X38 rev. 01
Southbridge Intel 82801IR (ICH9R) rev. 02
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR3
Memory Size 4 GBytes
Channels Dual, (Symmetric)
Memory Frequency 533.4 MHz (1:2)
CAS# latency (CL) 7.0
RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 8
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 7
Cycle Time (tRAS) 24
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 78
Command Rate (CR) 2T
Host Bridge 0x29E0
Code: 
 
Memory SPD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
DIMM # 1
SMBus address 0x50
Memory type DDR3
Module format UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) G.Skill (7F7F7F7FCD000000000000)
Size 2048 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3-10700 (667 MHz)
Part number F3-12800CL7-2GBRM
Number of banks 8
Nominal Voltage 1.50 Volts
EPP no
XMP yes
XMP revision 1.2
AMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 6.0-6-6-17-23 @ 457 MHz
JEDEC #2 7.0-7-7-20-27 @ 533 MHz
JEDEC #3 8.0-8-8-22-30 @ 609 MHz
JEDEC #4 9.0-9-9-24-33 @ 666 MHz
XMP profile XMP-1600
Specification PC3-12800
Voltage level 1.600 Volts
Min Cycle time 1.250 ns (800 MHz)
Max CL 7.0
Min tRP 8.38 ns
Min tRCD 9.63 ns
Min tWR 15.00 ns
Min tRAS 29.63 ns
Min tRC 38.38 ns
Min tRFC 160.00 ns
Min tRTP 7.50 ns
Min tRRD 6.00 ns
Command Rate 2T
XMP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
XMP #1 7.0-8-7-24-31-2T @ 800 MHz (1.600 Volts)
 
DIMM # 2
SMBus address 0x52
Memory type DDR3
Module format UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) G.Skill (7F7F7F7FCD000000000000)
Size 2048 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3-10700 (667 MHz)
Part number F3-12800CL7-2GBRM
Number of banks 8
Nominal Voltage 1.50 Volts
EPP no
XMP yes
XMP revision 1.2
AMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 6.0-6-6-17-23 @ 457 MHz
JEDEC #2 7.0-7-7-20-27 @ 533 MHz
JEDEC #3 8.0-8-8-22-30 @ 609 MHz
JEDEC #4 9.0-9-9-24-33 @ 666 MHz
XMP profile XMP-1600
Specification PC3-12800
Voltage level 1.600 Volts
Min Cycle time 1.250 ns (800 MHz)
Max CL 7.0
Min tRP 8.38 ns
Min tRCD 9.63 ns
Min tWR 15.00 ns
Min tRAS 29.63 ns
Min tRC 38.38 ns
Min tRFC 160.00 ns
Min tRTP 7.50 ns
Min tRRD 6.00 ns
Command Rate 2T
XMP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
XMP #1 7.0-8-7-24-31-2T @ 800 MHz (1.600 Volts)
Code: 
DMI
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DMI BIOS		
	vendor			American Megatrends Inc.
	version			1302
	date			03/24/2009
	ROM size		2048 KB

DMI System Information		
	manufacturer		System manufacturer
	product			Maximus Extreme
	version			System Version
	serial			System Serial Number
	UUID			{1E009200-008C-0D01-2D91-001E8CDBBEA1}
	SKU			To Be Filled By O.E.M.
	family			To Be Filled By O.E.M.

DMI Baseboard		
	vendor			ASUSTeK Computer INC.
	model			Maximus Extreme
	revision		Rev 1.xx
	serial			MS1C81BP6K00715

DMI System Enclosure		
	manufacturer		Chassis Manufacture
	chassis type		Desktop
	chassis serial		Chassis Serial Number

DMI Processor		
	manufacturer		Intel
	model			Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
	clock speed		2400.0 MHz
	FSB speed		266.0 MHz
	multiplier		9.0x

DMI Memory Controller		
	correction		64-bit ECC
	Max module size		2048 MBytes

DMI Memory Module		
	designation		DIMM0
	size			2048 MBytes (single bank)

DMI Memory Module		
	designation		DIMM1

DMI Memory Module		
	designation		DIMM2
	size			2048 MBytes (single bank)

DMI Memory Module		
	designation		DIMM3
(...)
 
Solution
Lutfij
1| Have you made sure your BIOS is up to date?

2| Have you made sure your CMOS battery is filing? Replace it with a fresh cell and see if the issue persists.

3| You forgot to include your PSU's make and model and the CPU's cooler's make and model.

4| I assume you've been running off the XMP profile correct? If so manually input the timings alongside the frequency, i.e DDR3-1333MHz at 9.0-9-9-24-33 @ 666MHz(which is DDR3-1333MHz) at 1.65v and see if that helps. Otherwise you're going to need DDR3 kits of that time line which were essentially DDR3 kits rated to run at 1.8v which was quite high. 1.65 and lower voltage kits came to be due to improved memory manufacturing but they were somewhat of a hit or miss for older platforms like...
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1| Have you made sure your BIOS is up to date?

2| Have you made sure your CMOS battery is filing? Replace it with a fresh cell and see if the issue persists.

3| You forgot to include your PSU's make and model and the CPU's cooler's make and model.

4| I assume you've been running off the XMP profile correct? If so manually input the timings alongside the frequency, i.e DDR3-1333MHz at 9.0-9-9-24-33 @ 666MHz(which is DDR3-1333MHz) at 1.65v and see if that helps. Otherwise you're going to need DDR3 kits of that time line which were essentially DDR3 kits rated to run at 1.8v which was quite high. 1.65 and lower voltage kits came to be due to improved memory manufacturing but they were somewhat of a hit or miss for older platforms like the X38/X48 platform. Mind you the kit you've got works fin on any platform since the 1st gen Core i processor platform upto Haswell/Haswell refreh.
 
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Solution


1. Yes, I verify my BIOS version and it is up to date
2. Yesterday I bought new battery and check if it is filling right. It didn't change anything
3. PSU: be quiet! Pure Power L8 600W http://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/388
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake BigTyp Revo, cooling power 160W http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model_Specification.aspx?id=C_00001896
4. Yesterday I also go to BIOS to look around and it is more complicated that in manual at page 4-17 (95)... Below 'table' with options in Extreme Tweaker menu (option_name default_value [available_value] description):
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CPU Level Up				Auto [QX6700 | QX6800 | QX6850 | Crazy]	Select a CPU level, and the rest will be auto-adjusted. If you want to adjust more, set Ai Overclock Tuner to Manual after you select a CPU level
Memory Level Up				Auto [PC3-11600 | PC3-12800]	Select a memory level, and the rest will be auto-adjusted. If you want to adjust more, set Ai Overclock Tuner to Manual after you select a memory level
Ai Overclock Tuner			Auto [Manual | X.M.P. | CPU Level Up | Memory Level Up]	When X.M.P. is enabled the CPU FSB frequency, CPU ratio and memory parameters will be optimized automaticall
CPU Ratio Setting			Auto ["Please Key in ratio number directly!"]	Sets the ratio between CPU Core Clock and te FSB 
FSB Strap to North Bridge	Auto [200MHz | 266MHz | 333MHz | 400MHz]	Auto:FSB Strap will be adjusted automatically by FSB Frequency and DRAM Frequency
DRAM Frequency				Auto [533 | 639 | 667 | 709 | 800 | 852 | 887 | 1066 | *1600* | *1800*]	DRAM frequency lower than 800MHz may cause system boot failure due to spec violation. When set to 1600* or 1800*, FSB frequency and CPU ratio will be optimized automaticall
DRAM Command Rate			Auto [T1 | T2]	-
DRAM Timing Control			Auto [Manual]	-
	Primary Info: 8-9-9-24-4-78-10-5 (gray out)
	Secondary Info: 9-5-5-4-7-4-7 (gray out)
DRAM Static Read Control	Auto [Disable | Enable]	-
DRAM Dynamic Write Control	Auto [Disable | Enable]	-
Ai Clock Twister			Auto [Moderate | Light | Strong]	It will affect DRAM performance directly. [Light] Enhance DRAM compatibility. [Strong] Enhance DRAM performance. <=tried with 'Light', no luck
Ai Clock Skew for Channel A	Auto [Advance: [350ps | 300ps | 250ps | 200ps | 150 ps | 100ps | 50ps] | Normal | Delay: [50ps | 100ps | 150ps | 200ps | 250ps | 300ps | 350ps]]	-
Ai Clock Skew for Channel B	Auto [Advance: [350ps | 300ps | 250ps | 200ps | 150 ps | 100ps | 50ps] | Normal | Delay: [50ps | 100ps | 150ps | 200ps | 250ps | 300ps | 350ps]]	-
Ai Transaction Booster		Auto [Disable | Enable]	It will affect system performance directly

When DRAM Timing Control set to Manual, new entry appeared:
Code: 
	Primary Info: 8-9-9-24-4-78-10-5 (gray out)
CAS# Latency			5 [4-11 DRAM Clocks]
RAS# to CAS# Delay		5 [3-18 DRAM Clocks]
RAS# Precharge			3 [3-18 DRAM Clocks]
RAS# Active Time		15 [3-18 DRAM Clocks]
RAS# to RAS# Delay		Auto [1-15 DRAM Clocks]
Row Refresh Cycle Time	Auto [30 | 36 | 48 | 60 | 72 | 82 | 88 | 90 | 100 | 110 DRAM Clocks]
Write Recovery Time		Auto [1-15 DRAM Clocks]
Read to Precharge Time	Auto [1-15 DRAM Clocks]
	Secondary Info: 9-5-5-4-7-4-7 (gray out)
Read to Write Delay(S/D)	Auto [1-15 DRAM Clocks]
Write to Read Delay(S)	[1-15 DRAM Clocks]
Write to Read Delay(D)	[1-15 DRAM Clocks]
Read to Read Delay(S)	[1-15 DRAM Clocks]
Read to Read Delay(D) 	[1-15 DRAM Clocks]
Write to Write Delay(S) [1-15 DRAM Clocks]
Write to Write Delay(D) [1-15 DRAM Clocks]

When Memory Level Up set to PC3-11600 or PC-12800:
this entry change:
Code: 
Ai Overclock Tuner change to Memory Level Up
this entry appeared:
Code: 
CPU Strap to North Bridge  9.0 ["Please Key in ratio number directly!"]

When Ai Overclock Tuner set to XMP, new entry appeared:
Code: 
eXtreme Memory Profile	Profile #1 [Profile #1 | Profile #2]
PCIE Frequency	100 [100-180]

When Ai Overclock Tuner set to Manual, new entry appeared:
Code: 
FSB Frequency	266 [200-800]
PCIE Frequency	100 [100-800]
CPU Voltage		Auto [1.1-2.4 step 0.00625V]
CPU PLL Voltage	Auto [1.5-3.0 step 0.02V]
North Bridge Voltage	Auto [1.25-2.05 step 0.02V]
DRAM Voltage			Auto [1.5-3.04 step 0.02V]
FSB Termination Voltage	Auto [1.2-2.0 step 0.02V]
South Bridge Voltage	Auto [1.05-1.225 step 0.025V]
Loadline Calibration	Auto [Enable | Disable]		Enable or Setting Calibration Set a very high voltage may damage the component permanently! Set a very low voltage may cause the system to become unstable!
CPU GTL Reference		Auto [0.63x-0.57x step 0.02]	Enable or Setting CPU GTL Reference Set a very high voltage may damage the component permanently! Set a very low voltage may cause the system to become unstable!
North Bridge GTL Reference	Auto [0.67x-0.49x step 0.02]	Enable or Setting North Bridge GTL Reference Set a very high voltage may damage the component permanently! Set a very low voltage may cause the system to become unstable!
DDR3 Channel A REF Voltage	Auto [DDR3_REF -30mV - +30mV step 10mV]	Enable or Setting DRAM Voltage Set a very high voltage may damage the component permanently! Set a very low voltage may cause the system to become unstable!
DDR3 Channel B REF Voltage	Auto [DDR3_REF -30mV - +30mV step 10mV]	Enable or Setting DRAM Voltage Set a very high voltage may damage the component permanently! Set a very low voltage may cause the system to become unstable!
DDR3 Controller REF Voltage	Auto [DDR3_REF -30mV - +30mV step 10mV]	Enable or Setting DRAM Voltage Set a very high voltage may damage the component permanently! Set a very low voltage may cause the system to become unstable!
SB 1.5V Voltage				Auto [1.5-2.05 step 0.05V]	Enable or Setting SB 1.5V Voltage Set a very high voltage may damage the component permanently! Set a very low voltage may cause the system to become unstable!

You said that set memory to DDR3-1333MHz and 9.0-9-9-24-33 @ 666MHz, but i couldn't figure out how to do that. First I thought that it is DRAM Timing Control (manual), but i couldn't set value ...-24-33. DDR3-1333MHz should be at DRAM Frequency, but there is a gap between 1066 and 1600. To be honest, this BIOS is a little to complicated for me. I know this is lame, but could you or someone give me a hints how to setup it correctly? I would be very grateful.

This weekend I try to check my memory at different platform.
 
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