True 9800 Pro or not?

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I got 9800Pro from a newsgroup yesterday.
The card seems fine, but I cant figure out who made it or if it is a real 9800 pro or a modded one. There are no stickers or numbers anythere in the card( 1st alarm sign....) The card has the silver heatsink and a fan with the ATI sicker on it. WinXP sees as 9800 Pro. In the Display Properties i have the following:
Chip Type: RADEON 9800 AGP (0x4E48)
DAC Type: Internal DAC (400MHz)
Memory Size: 128 MB
Adapter String: RADEON 9800 PRO
Bios Information: BK-ATI VER008.004.008.018

RivaTuner says:
256bit R350 (8x1) with 128 mb ddr memory, 378.0 clock-337.5 memory.

The guy that sold it to me said it was taken out from a Dell System.

Are there any diff between the 9700/9800 and the 9800Pro as memory type?What software could i get and see if I have the right one?What memory chips is it supposed to have (a 9800Pro)?

The result in 113 bios part number on ATI's website gives m: RADEON 9800 PRO 128MB VGA DVI-I TVOUT 113A07502106 102A0750202, but if you flash the bios, isnt this info inacurate?

Here is the Data from ATI Problem Report utility:

======================DISPLAY ADAPTER INFORMATION======================


Graphics Card Manufacturer = ATI Technologies Inc.
Graphics Chipset (ASIC) = RADEON 9800 PRO
Device ID = 4e48
Vendor ID = 1002
Subsystem ID = 0002
Subsystem Vendor ID = 1002

Bus Type = AGP
Current Bus Settings = AGP 4X
Primary Display Device = Yes

BIOS P/N = 113-A07502-106
BIOS Version = 008.004
BIOS Date = 2003/03/24
Memory Size = 128 MB
Memory Type = DDR SGRAM / SDRAM


The drivers are Catalyst 3.10 .
System specs:Asus A7V 266-C mobo, 512 ddram (266fsb), 2400+, WinXP.


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cleeve

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Dell often sells detuned Radeons, for example the radeon 9700TX which was an underclocked 9700.

A Radeon 9800 is supposed to be clocked at 325/290
A Radeon 9800 PRO is supposed to be clocked at 380/340

Rivatuner says your 9800 is running at 378/337.5
Since clockspeeds are usually off by a couple Mhz from spec, it looks to me like you've got yourself an honest-to-gawd 9800 PRO!

The only possible problem would be if the card is a 9800SE. But you can tell that easily by looking at the memory chips on the card. If there are 4 in a straight line, you've been screwed... it's a 9800SE. If they are in an "L" shape (2 along the top of the card, 2 along the side), then it's a true 9800 PRO.

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thx for the reply.
i will check the card as soon as i get home.
Do the 9800pro bulti by ati and powered by ati diff. in mem brands? I did some reading and i found out about the infineons 3.0 and samsungs 2.8. Which one am i supposed to have?(for a real 9800pro)
also, u can tune the 9800se into a 9800pro? if this is the case, i hope i have a "L" card..:)
<font color=green>it is never fast enough</font color=green><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by beerstore on 01/16/04 01:13 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

cleeve

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A true 9800 PRO doesn't have to have any specific manufactured type of memory. As long as it runs at 340 Mhz, it's a real 9800 PRO.

In actuality, if your memory is rated at 3ns or lower, it's probably genuine. If it's rated more than 3ns, it's probably been overclocked to PRO speeds.

If your memory is in a straight line, it's a 9800SE... it has a 128 bit memory bus and there isn't anything you can do about it.

However, I doubt a 9800 PRO bios would work on a 9800SE, so if your card has a 9800 PRO bios, it's safe to say it's a real 9800..

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cleeve

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Alright, alright. I'll change it to:

As long as the core is an R350 running at 380 Mhz, and the memory is running at 340 Mhz, and it has a 256 bit memory interface... it's running as fast as a 9800 PRO!

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<b>3dMark03: <font color=red>4,055</b></font color=red><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Cleeve on 01/16/04 07:21 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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isnt R360 the 9800XT? as i mentioned earlier, RivaTuner says:
256bit R350 (8x1) with 128 mb ddr memory, 378.0 clock-337.5 memory.
So, in the end, there is no way to tell if it is a power color or a saphire or built by ati at all. Memory chips, colors, pipelines,speed,clocks, nothing to make the diff?????????No way to tell if it is modded or not?


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cleeve

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Quite right. R350, my slip.

Dude, if your memory is rated 3.0 ns or lower, its the real thing.

They're not going to put the expensive ram in a cheap card. That would go against the whole point of having non-pros.

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I checked the RAM.
Is says SAMSUNG 313
K4D26323RA-GC2A
I believe this is the 2.8ns one,350 mhz, so yea...prolly the fastest one for 9800Pro...:)
<A HREF="http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/GraphicsMemory/DDRSDRAM/128Mbit/K4D26323RA/K4D26323RA.htm" target="_new">http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/GraphicsMemory/DDRSDRAM/128Mbit/K4D26323RA/K4D26323RA.htm</A>
thx for all the answers

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