Two Questions: Panoptic Mirror and All Sun's Dawn.

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Hello

First Question:

Panoptic Mirror:
Imprint - X, T: You may remove an instant or sorcery card with converted
mana cost X in your hand from the game. (That card is imprinted on this
artifact.) At the beginning of your upkeep, you may copy an imprinted
instant or sorcery card and play the copy without paying its mana cost.

Player A has a Panoptic Mirror in play with nothing imprinted on it at the
moment.
It is now player A's turn.
Can he during his upkeep imprint a card and then get to a play that a copy
of that card thru the Panoptic Mirror?
Why or why not?


Second Question:

All Sun's Dawn:
For each color, return up to one target card of that color from your
graveyard to your hand. Then remove All Suns' Dawn from the game.

I'm quite sure that you can cast this spell targetting zero cards since it
has the words "upto" but since there was an disagreement we agreed to post
it to this newsgroup. So is it true that you can target zero cards?

 

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"Jimmy Wong" <j4389130@telus.net> writes:
> Panoptic Mirror:
> Imprint - X, T: You may remove an instant or sorcery card with converted
> mana cost X in your hand from the game. (That card is imprinted on this
> artifact.)
> At the beginning of your upkeep, you may copy an imprinted instant
> or sorcery card and play the copy without paying its mana cost.
>
> Player A has a Panoptic Mirror in play with nothing imprinted on it at the
> moment.
> It is now player A's turn.
> Can he during his upkeep imprint a card and then get to a play that a copy
> of that card thru the Panoptic Mirror?

Yes.

> Why or why not?

At the beginning of his upkeep, the Mirror's triggered ability goes on
the stack. In response, Player A can play the activated ability to
imprint something on it. When the triggered ability resolves, he can
choose to copy the thing he just imprinted.

> All Sun's Dawn:
> For each color, return up to one target card of that color from your
> graveyard to your hand. Then remove All Suns' Dawn from the game.
>
> I'm quite sure that you can cast this spell targetting zero cards since it
> has the words "upto" but since there was an disagreement we agreed to post
> it to this newsgroup. So is it true that you can target zero cards?

Yup. For each color, you can choose to pick zero target cards of that
color. There's not usually a good reason to, but one could probably
contrive a situation if needed. (If nothing else, it would increase
the spell count for Storm.)

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First Question:

Panoptic Mirror:
Jimmy Wong sez:

<<
>Imprint - X, T: You may remove an instant or sorcery card with converted
>mana cost X in your hand from the game. (That card is imprinted on this
>artifact.) At the beginning of your upkeep, you may copy an imprinted
>instant or sorcery card and play the copy without paying its mana cost.
>
>Player A has a Panoptic Mirror in play with nothing imprinted on it at the
moment.
>It is now player A's turn.
>Can he during his upkeep imprint a card and then get to a play that a copy
>of that card thru the Panoptic Mirror?
>Why or why not?
>
>>

Sure he can. Here's what happens:

Upkeep begins
PM's beginning of upkeep ability triggers. (Note that Player A does not have to
choose anything now, as there are no targets or modes. That means all choices
are done on resolution.)
A has priority. A pays for and activates PM's imprint ability. (Note that
Player A does not have to choose anything other than how much X is now. All
other choices are done on resolution.)
A has priority. A passes.
B has priority. B passes.
Imprint ability resolves. A may now choose a card to imprint on PM.
A has priority. A passes.
B has priority. B passes.
BOU ability resolves. A may now choose a card that is imprinted on PM
(including the one he just imprinted) to copy and play.

<<
>Second Question:
>
>All Sun's Dawn:
>For each color, return up to one target card of that color from your
>graveyard to your hand. Then remove All Suns' Dawn from the game.
>
>I'm quite sure that you can cast this spell targetting zero cards since it
>has the words "upto" but since there was an disagreement we agreed >to post
>it to this newsgroup. So is it true that you can target zero cards?

>>

Sure. You can target anywhere from zero to five cards with this spell.


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Jimmy Wong, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
> Hello
>
> First Question:
>
> Panoptic Mirror:
> Imprint - X, T: You may remove an instant or sorcery card with converted
> mana cost X in your hand from the game. (That card is imprinted on this
> artifact.) At the beginning of your upkeep, you may copy an imprinted
> instant or sorcery card and play the copy without paying its mana cost.
>
> Player A has a Panoptic Mirror in play with nothing imprinted on it at the
> moment.
> It is now player A's turn.
> Can he during his upkeep imprint a card and then get to a play that a copy
> of that card thru the Panoptic Mirror?
> Why or why not?

Yes. At the beginning of his upkeep, the triggered ability of Panoptic
Mirror goes on the stack, regardless of whether anything is imprinted on
it. It is perfectly legal to play its activated ability in response to
this trigger, and I understand this trick is very common in Mirrodin
block limited tournaments. If you do so, then there is a card imprinted
on the Mirror when its triggered ability resolves; it doesn't matter
that it wasn't there when it went on the stack.

> Second Question:
>
> All Sun's Dawn:
> For each color, return up to one target card of that color from your
> graveyard to your hand. Then remove All Suns' Dawn from the game.
>
> I'm quite sure that you can cast this spell targetting zero cards since it
> has the words "upto" but since there was an disagreement we agreed to post
> it to this newsgroup. So is it true that you can target zero cards?

Yes. Even if there is a card of a given color in your graveyard, you
aren't forced to target it, because of the "up to" wording. Normally
you would want to return as many cards as possible, but there are
situations where voluntarily not doing so would be a reasonable play.

 

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:59:20 GMT, Jimmy Wong wrote:

>Player A has a Panoptic Mirror in play with nothing imprinted on it at the
>moment.
>It is now player A's turn.
>Can he during his upkeep imprint a card and then get to a play that a copy
>of that card thru the Panoptic Mirror?
>Why or why not?

Yes, he can, by responding to the triggered ability.

The "at the beginning of your upkeep" ability will go onto the stack
even if no card is imprinted on the Panoptic Mirror. (It just won't do
anything when it resolves if there is no card to copy.)
You may respond to this ability by using the activated ability to
imprint a card. The response will resolve first, so when the triggered
ability resolves there'll be a card on Panoptic Mirror that may be
copied.

>All Sun's Dawn:
>
>I'm quite sure that you can cast this spell targetting zero cards since it
>has the words "upto" but since there was an disagreement we agreed to post
>it to this newsgroup. So is it true that you can target zero cards?

Yes, sure. If you just want to spend some mana and get rid of a card in
your hand, you may cast All Suns' Dawn with no targets at all.

 

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:59:20 GMT, Jimmy Wong <j4389130@telus.net> wrote:
>Panoptic Mirror:
>Imprint - X, T: You may remove an instant or sorcery card with converted
>mana cost X in your hand from the game. (That card is imprinted on this
>artifact.) At the beginning of your upkeep, you may copy an imprinted
>instant or sorcery card and play the copy without paying its mana cost.
>
>Player A has a Panoptic Mirror in play with nothing imprinted on it at the
>moment.
>It is now player A's turn.
>Can he during his upkeep imprint a card and then get to a play that a copy
>of that card thru the Panoptic Mirror?

Yes.

>Why or why not?

Because 'what to copy' is in no way determined on announcement of the triggered
ability; for this triggered ability there isn't actually anything to determine
then, you just put the ability onto the stack. On resolution, it looks to see
what "imprinted instant or sorcery cards" are available imprinted to the
Mirror, tells you that, and you decide whether to copy one at all, and if so
which one to copy. If you copy one, you then play it without paying its mana
cost.

So yes, you can use the first ability in response to the upkeep-triggered
ability to get a card imprinted that wasn't there when the triggered ability
went onto the stack.

>All Sun's Dawn:
>For each color, return up to one target card of that color from your
>graveyard to your hand. Then remove All Suns' Dawn from the game.
>
>I'm quite sure that you can cast this spell targetting zero cards since it
>has the words "upto" but since there was an disagreement we agreed to post
>it to this newsgroup. So is it true that you can target zero cards?

Sure. You may choose between 0 and 5 target cards, inclusive. If you choose
more than one target card, you have to abide by "each target card has a
different color" - you can get a blue card, a blue-and-white card, and a green
card, but you couldn't get three blue-and-white cards, or a blue card, a
blue-and-white card, and a white card, for example. Each color gets either 0 or
1 target cards of that color, for this spell.

Dave
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