News U.S. Wants ASML to Stop Selling Chipmaking Tools to China

[Admin]

Chinese semiconductor self-sufficiency plans threatened by new U.S. initiative.

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[peachpuff]

World war 3: the quest for more chips

 

[A Stoner]

Buy it all up and install it all here in the USA and lets get rid of this stupid idea of outsourcing critical production. Then create our own lithography manufacturing in the mean time.

 

[distortnx]

Right, let's just give them no choice but to take TSMC by force.

 

[jkhoward]

As an American, this is bull crap. We have no right to do this regardless of our tensions between each other.

 

[jkflipflop98]

Right, let's just give them no choice but to take TSMC by force.

Works for me. China taking Taiwan and TSMC by force means they've essentially killed TSMC. They'll be so sanctioned and embargo'd that they'll never make another chip again. Engineers don't do their best work with a bunch of guns trained on them, either.

 

[A Stoner]

As an American, this is bull crap. We have no right to do this regardless of our tensions between each other.

We might actually have the right to do so. It is highly likely the United States owns the patents that are used in the manufacture of said products. We outsource the production of many of our own technologies.

 

[LastStanding]

Right, let's just give them no choice but to take TSMC by force.

Don't be fooled to think that would be successful for China if they even dare. Russia's sanctions, etc. would seem like just a spank on the hand compared to how the whole world leading governments would respond to China.

 

[deesider]

We might actually have the right to do so. It is highly likely the United States owns the patents that are used in the manufacture of said products. We outsource the production of many of our own technologies.

I think you'll find that the Dutch company ASML owns the patents that are used in the manufacture of the products they design and create.

 

[TCA_ChinChin]

War's not good. Best thing for everyone involved is status quo at least for now. Keep current sanctions, simply enforce them better. China might be able to get chipmaking equipment, but those are for processes and technologies that haven't been cutting edge for years now. China has less casus belli for invasion and the US/Dutch/Taiwan/Whoever else can still keep their advanced lithographies and processes to themselves.

But of course nobody will like this. China will always have a chip on their shoulder and be dicks randomly and the US will never allow other countries to challenge their global authority.

 

[LastStanding]

It would be completely foolish for China, economically and militarily, to act on any of this thinking that TSMC has not been expecting and planning around the possibility of a China invasion for years now.

If /WHEN China invades, they'll probably find at TSMC a bunch of useless equipment but with none of TSMC trade secret, etc. doctrines that China could use in the future.

 

[escksu]

Why don't USA simply just stop trading with china... Make life simplier for everyone.

 

[escksu]

Don't be fooled to think that would be successful for China if they even dare. Russia's sanctions, etc. would seem like just a spank on the hand compared to how the whole world leading governments would respond to China.

That's assuming countries will listen to USA. Well, it might be the case 30-40yrs ago. But USA is no longer what it used to be.

Russia's sanctions backfired so badly because not that many countries are sanctioning Russia...

 

[LastStanding]

Why don't USA simply just stop trading with china... Make life simpler for everyone.

It would be even simpler if China stop being inferior and just start innovating stuff rather than whining, stealing, or forcing reverse engineering. Even their pals, Russia, don't trust China with its tech enough due to fear that they know that China would just reverse engineer its tech.

 

[escksu]

It would be even simpler if China stop being inferior and just start innovating stuff rather than whining, stealing, or forcing reverse engineering. Even their pals, Russia, don't trust China with its tech enough due to fear that they know that China would just reverse engineer its tech.

Kind of ironic that USA is the main buyer of these stuffs....

 

[LastStanding]

That's assuming countries will listen to USA. Well, it might be the case 30-40yrs ago. But USA is no longer what it used to be.

Russia's sanctions backfired so badly because not that many countries are sanctioning Russia...

What you fail to understand is, that by China invading a sovereign nation IS NOT AN AMERICAN issue only, and EVERY ESTABLISHED NATION will feel the repercussions IF such a move from China is imminent.

China would have over 100 nations against them if they dare attack Taiwan and seize TSMC and China and its people would be done globally where they reside.

You see the unfair treatment that many great Chinese sisters and brothers are getting by the blame for Covid around the world but a Taiwan invasion, sadly, it would be even worse for them.

 

[LastStanding]

Lol, how do you think sanctions work?
Europe is suffering immense blowback from sanctioning Russia, comparable sanctions against China would be an economic nuclear bomb.

Yet, the EU, the US, etc. are still in full force to add even more sanctions against Russia as we speak.

Sometimes, sacrifice is necessary for the greater good!

 

[adamboy64]

Lol, how do you think sanctions work?
Europe is suffering immense blowback from sanctioning Russia, comparable sanctions against China would be an economic nuclear bomb.

Right, the western world is pretty dependent on China. I can't see how that could ever change, certainly not in the foreseeable future.

 

[atomicWAR]

I think you'll find that the Dutch company ASML owns the patents that are used in the manufacture of the products they design and create.

I'll put money on the fact they license something, and if the something is based on a US patent, that is all it takes. But mostly you're right.

 

[escksu]

What you fail to understand is, that by China invading a sovereign nation IS NOT AN AMERICAN issue only, and EVERY ESTABLISHED NATION will feel the repercussions IF such a move from China is imminent.

China would have over 100 nations against them if they dare attack Taiwan and seize TSMC and China and its people would be done globally where they reside.

You see the unfair treatment that many great Chinese sisters and brothers are getting by the blame for Covid around the world but a Taiwan invasion, sadly, it would be even worse for them.

Thats your view, nothing more..... But you are free to have your own views.

 

[escksu]

Yet, the EU, the US, etc. are still in full force to add even more sanctions against Russia as we speak.

Sometimes, sacrifice is necessary for the greater good!

US/EU is free to add more sanctions. But, whether their pple like it or not, its another question. If their pple don't mind more inflation, its generally not an issue.

 

[escksu]

Right, the western world is pretty dependent on China. I can't see how that could ever change, certainly not in the foreseeable future.

Its possible to change but would take decades. Manufacturing and supply chain takes many many years to build. Its also very costly.

And then, building a new one elsewhere may not make it better than existing one. As with any supplychain, a new one is often worse and takes time and effort to finetune and improve.

 

[escksu]

This is just a bunch of old-news angloid butthurt; China is a rising tech powerhouse and a global leader in things like renewable energy and high tech manufacturing. There's a reason the US is <Mod Edit> itself trying to prevent that from happening.

Yes, lets take high speed rail as an eg... China is making huge progress in it but USA is lacking behind the world (not just China, even behind Germany, Japan etc..). 5G cellular technology. Well, USA is behind many countries as well.

 

[SunMaster]

US/EU is free to add more sanctions. But, whether their pple like it or not, its another question. If their pple don't mind more inflation, its generally not an issue.

You have a weird grasp of alternate reality.

In no way are the countries sanctioning Russia easing up on the sanctions, but they're (all) slowly strengthening them. All countries are aware that sanctioning Russia will hurt themselves, but they're doing this to make it difficult for Russia - OVER TIME - to maintain a war against Ukraine. Noone outside of the "Russian sphere" with the ability to count money believe that it won't hurt Russia more than the sanctioning countries.

The old Soviet Union was technologically sanctioned for a long time during the cold war. It was very effective.

 

[SunMaster]

We might actually have the right to do so. It is highly likely the United States owns the patents that are used in the manufacture of said products. We outsource the production of many of our own technologies.

Did you understand the company with the patents is Dutch? Did you actually read the article?