News Ubuntu outperforms Windows 11 on the Framework Laptop 16 with Ryzen 7 7840HS

[Admin]

Phoronix tested two versions of Ubuntu Linux against Windows 11 on the latest Ryzen-powered Framework 16 laptop and discovered that Ubuntu is better performing OS most of the time.

Ubuntu outperforms Windows 11 on the Framework Laptop 16 with Ryzen 7 7840HS : Read more

 

[maestro0428]

Love me some Linux and its great to see how well its running these days. However, until I can run all my software on Ubuntu, looks like Im sticking with Windows.

 

[ezst036]

This performance gap is only going to get wider as Microsoft builds in/up the adware components necessary in order to show you the latest item you should buy - and ad revenue Microsoft should rake in, of course. I doubt its terribly CPU expensive but it can't be free.

I highly doubt any Linux distro will turn itself into serving adware. Certainly not the self-respecting ones.

 

[HaninTH]

Love me some Linux and its great to see how well its running these days. However, until I can run all my software on Ubuntu, looks like Im sticking with Windows.

Will this be the decade that Linux becomes even remotely close to a daily driver for someone that uses commercial software?

I've been waiting since the '90s.

I fear it will always and forever be where it is as it's loudest proponents seem incapable of delivering what the mainstream user wants/needs:

NO NEED TO USE A CLI!!

Is it really just money, that can cure/solve this issue? I haven't had to use a command prompt under Windows in over 15 years. For any reason.

 

[Grobe]

NO NEED TO USE A CLI!!

Is it really just money, that can cure/solve this issue? I haven't had to use a command prompt under Windows in over 15 years. For any reason.

Nah, not that.

It's more like - if Windows was a car model made by Microsoft, and Linux was - well it's own thing going on in the car marked, it would be more like the Windows cars have all automatic transmission and pretty much drive by themself, while Linux cars have manual transmission, but can be modded in every feasible way - heck, why stuck in traffic jam when you can dig yourself a way under or even just fly over ? And there will always be somebody complaining about the lack of automatic transmission and that this they cannot drive.

 

[PEnns]

It is beyond ludicrous to compare Windows, a software system that's supposed to support every software and hardware system and platform or app on the planet, against Linux which is supposed to support itself!!

But hey, it makes for sizzling clickbait headlines.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

If you can live without the creature comforts Microsoft's Windows ecosystem provides Phoronix's testing confirms that Linux is the more performant operating system, at least for the Framework Laptop 16.

There aren't many "creature comforts" that Windows offers that Linux doesn't in 2024. Application support, and I'll lump gaming into this category too since they are applications, is about the only thing Windows has over Linux, especially for the more user-friendly distros like Ubuntu and its even more user friendly variant Mint.

 

[thestryker]

So if you render a ton Linux is better, but wait this is a laptop and they didn't test power consumption so pretty much everything tested is meaningless. Linux is obviously going to be more optimized in many cases, but without complete information who knows what the gap really is.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

So if you render a ton Linux is better, but wait this is a laptop and they didn't test power consumption so pretty much everything tested is meaningless. Linux is obviously going to be more optimized in many cases, but without complete information who knows what the gap really is.

If you render a ton on battery you're going to use a Macbook, so not an irrelevant test.

 

[blppt]

Phoronix tested two versions of Ubuntu Linux against Windows 11 on the latest Ryzen-powered Framework 16 laptop and discovered that Ubuntu is better performing OS most of the time.

Ubuntu outperforms Windows 11 on the Framework Laptop 16 with Ryzen 7 7840HS : Read more

I mean, how is this news? Hasn't the Linux kernel outperformed windows in native software since like 2.0? Pure benchmarks has never been the issue.

 

[thestryker]

If you render a ton on battery you're going to use a Macbook, so not an irrelevant test.

They're testing a laptop and not comparing power consumption between Linux and Windows if you can't figure out why that's a problem there's no hope for you.

 

[Notton]

"The Framework 16 review unit as a reminder was configured with the 8-core / 16-thread AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS Zen 4 SoC with Radeon RX 7700S graphics, a 512GB SN810 NVMe SSD, MediaTek MT7922 WiFi, and a 2560 x 1600 display."
It also had 2x 8GB 5600 sticks installed.

How far along has gaming on ubuntu come along? Because with those specs, I am more likely to play games on it, than do productivity stuff.

 

[mitch074]

Will this be the decade that Linux becomes even remotely close to a daily driver for someone that uses commercial software?

I've been waiting since the '90s.

I fear it will always and forever be where it is as it's loudest proponents seem incapable of delivering what the mainstream user wants/needs:

NO NEED TO USE A CLI!!

Is it really just money, that can cure/solve this issue? I haven't had to use a command prompt under Windows in over 15 years. For any reason.

Last time I had to use a CLI was to unlock a feature in... Windows. On Ubuntu ? Only when it's faster than using a GUI.
So you need the CLI to run Windows, Y U NO USING APPL ?

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

They're testing a laptop and not comparing power consumption between Linux and Windows if you can't figure out why that's a problem there's no hope for you.

This is an article about performance of Windows 11 vs Ubuntu Linux 23 and 24 across a wide number of programs in a laptop which can come configured with either OS, not an article about efficency of Windows vs Linux, nor the efficency of the AMD processor nor AMD GPU in Windows vs Linux.

If you can't figure out why that's the case then there's no hope for you.

 

[thestryker]

This is an article about performance of Windows 11 vs Ubuntu Linux 23 and 24 across a wide number of programs in a laptop which can come configured with either OS, not an article about efficency of Windows vs Linux, nor the efficency of the AMD processor nor AMD GPU in Windows vs Linux.

If you can't figure out why that's the case then there's no hope for you.

Glad to see I was right and you don't understand so this will be my last word on it. If Linux is pulling more power to outperform Windows that's extremely important information likewise if they've managed to pull 30-40% more performance without.

 

[mhmarefat]

How far along has gaming on ubuntu come along? Because with those specs, I am more likely to play games on it, than do productivity stuff.

I've been gaming on Linux for about 2 years now and it is unbelievably good and much better than windows in some aspects. Not only games run at high FPS but also you have tools on Linux such as Mangohud that let you change the FPS limit by simply pressing some keys on your keyboard instead of needing to go to GPU control panel or game options.. (for example when you want to BRB you can limit fps to something like 10 to save system energy without the need to exit the game)
Much faster shader complitation on Linux is another strong point of it thanks to Valve (though it is only for AMD GPUs).. Last of Us 1 for instance needs a huge amount of time to compile the shaders on Windows yet on Linux it does so unbelivably fast..
Another strong point of Linux gaming is that games can run even faster than Windows (for example see Tom's Hardware report on it). I personally tested Shadow of The Tomb Raider and it ran 30 to 40 FPS faster than windows at main menu alone.
Lastly, Linux kernel can be manually become even more optimized for gaming as Valve recently has developed a gaming scheduler that can drastically increase system performance for games.
There are some downsides as well: games may not run at day 1 of release (it happened for me on Remnant 2 but it was patched at driver level quickly, but Starfield for example was unplayable for at least 1 month for Nvidia users on Linux...)
Some online games do not support Linux due to Anti-Cheat technologies they use.
VRAM management is not good (but it is recently being addressed)

 

[HaninTH]

Last time I had to use a CLI was to unlock a feature in... Windows. On Ubuntu ? Only when it's faster than using a GUI.
So you need the CLI to run Windows, Y U NO USING APPL ?

And another reason why Linux won't move much further along than it is now.

The beauty of Linux is there are a number of distributions to be used. And not all of them work the same. Your comment just goes to show the "you should already know this" mentality that will continue to ruin Linux's movement to an actual replacement for Windows or MAC.

You can be an OS douche, but it sure won't make anyone want to be you.

Oh well, no need to waste time on you or Linux, mitch074.

 

[mitch074]

And another reason why Linux won't move much further along than it is now.

The beauty of Linux is there are a number of distributions to be used. And not all of them work the same. Your comment just goes to show the "you should already know this" mentality that will continue to ruin Linux's movement to an actual replacement for Windows or MAC.

You can be an OS douche, but it sure won't make anyone want to be you.

Oh well, no need to waste time on you or Linux, mitch074.

You misunderstood me - you don't NEED the CLI in modern Linux distro. Everything I do could be done with a GUI - I don't use one when it's faster to use the CLI, but it CAN be done. On Windows, there are things that you need to do NOW that can ONLY be done through the CLI. And they are usually pretty obfuscated to boot.

So, the excuse "Linux isn't ready for prime time because it needs a CLI to run" is backwards : Windows is not ready for prime time because it needs a CLI to run. Linux doesn't - not anymore.

 

[USAFRet]

You misunderstood me - you don't NEED the CLI in modern Linux distro. Everything I do could be done with a GUI - I don't use one when it's faster to use the CLI, but it CAN be done. On Windows, there are things that you need to do NOW that can ONLY be done through the CLI. And they are usually pretty obfuscated to boot.

So, the excuse "Linux isn't ready for prime time because it needs a CLI to run" is backwards : Windows is not ready for prime time because it needs a CLI to run. Linux doesn't - not anymore.

And if I were to ask ALL of my non-developer Windows using friends....none of them know what a CLI is, or what to do with it.

Yet they've been in the Windows world since last century.

 

[mitch074]

And if I were to ask ALL of my non-developer Windows using friends....none of them know what a CLI is, or what to do with it.

Yet they've been in the Windows world since last century.

And ? What does that have to do with the statement that "Linux is disqualified because you need the CLI", when it's a blatant double standard ? I'm not a developer, but when I needed to re-enable a local Windows user account, I had to open an admin CMD and use the NET USER command... No GUI anymore for that !
As for your friends : good for them ! They have finally escaped the horrors of MS-DOS, I guess.

 

[USAFRet]

And ? What does that have to do with the statement that "Linux is disqualified because you need the CLI", when it's a blatant double standard ? I'm not a developer, but when I needed to re-enable a local Windows user account, I had to open an admin CMD and use the NET USER command... No GUI anymore for that !
As for your friends : good for them ! They have finally escaped the horrors of MS-DOS, I guess.

It was just counter to the statement that one needed to use the commandline to operate a Windows system.

 

[mitch074]

It was just counter to the statement that one needed to use the commandline to operate a Windows system.

Come on, go and create a local Windows user account with a GUI on current supported versions of Windows, non-modded ISOs.
Also, try and convert an existing MBR install of Windows 10 to GPT/UEFI, so that you can "up"grade to Win11.
I dare you.

 

[USAFRet]

Come on, go and create a local Windows user account with a GUI on current supported versions of Windows, non-modded ISOs.

Local account created, just for you.

A regular totally unmodded Win 11 Pro, via the GUI.
v23H2, Build 22631.3527

 

[USAFRet]

Also, try and convert an existing MBR install of Windows 10 to GPT/UEFI, so that you can "up"grade to Win11.
I dare you.

That is a very niche requirement.
But, MBR2GPT exists.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/mbr-to-gpt

 

[USAFRet]

And now I shall delete the Mitch account. Via the GUI.