UK system for £750 - OK?

drjamo

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Hi All

Been a while since I built one of these (Athlon 1700xp, 512MB ram and 9500 pro GPU :sleep: )

Could somebody look over the following spec/prices and give some advice for a UK-consumer? Any prices due to change drastically in next month?

thanks in advance, Jon

Ebuyer 14/2/09
CPU Q9550 217.98
Cooler Arctic Cooling AC-FRZ-7P Freezer 7 Pro 17.29
memory OCZ 4GB 42.99
Motherboard ASUS P5QL-E iP43 78.4
Op system XP Pro (already own)
HDD 1TB 79.90
DVD drive 16.15
Graphics Inno GTX260 216 215.51
Sound
Case Coolermaster 330 elite 29.96
PSU OCZ Stealth XStream 600W 55.69

TOTAL PRICE 753.87
 

drjamo

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Thanks for the replies - that Antec case looks very good. I would prefer to have a single graphics card and am still deciding between the 4870 (1GB) and the 260GTX. Probably missing out on a perfectly good CF experience.

I would be using the PC (apart from Office stuff) for gaming (FPS mainly) and also patching together videos from the family camcorder. I thought that the Quadcore would last a bit on this, but I am at the very limit at £750 or I would be considering an i7 with a cheaper GPU. Have read a lot about CPU's and graphics cards but know nothing about the other bits and appreciate the input.

Jon
 
Modern parts are hot, especially GPUs, so the cooling of the Antec 300 will be important.

Given the budget, I would think a 4870 would be a good choice. Looks like they may be a bit less there currently:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/ATI+Radeon+4000+Series/Sapphire+ATI+Radeon+HD+4870+1GB+GDDR5+PCI-E?productId=33728
That would be a great choice.

BTW I have no clue about Aria PC. They were recently mentioned to me and seem to carry a lot of good parts at OK prices. They don't list VAT and I'm a clueless Yank.
 

drjamo

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Proximon

I read your guide and it was extremely helpful - nothing clueless about that at all. I just we had your prices/our old exchange rate :(

Have found the 4870 1GB at £184 at overclockers.co.uk and everything else is cheaper at Ebuyer - am a bit wary of buying from two places, but it is a big saving.

Antec 300 for me - now just to fill it....

MEMORY QUESTIONS

You kindly recommended the GSkill memory but overclockers.co.uk and Ebuyer.com don't seem to stock it.
a) I read that you want your memory speed to match your processor - does your recommended PC6400 800MHz RAM do that (do I want a 1600 FSB on the motherboard, is PC6400 the best one if I went down a Phenom II route instead - I only have vague idea of what I am writing now!)

b) Out of Corsair, Crucial, GeIL, Kingston and OCZ is there anything similar to GSkill?

thanks for the help

Jon
 
"1600 FSB" is just marketing hype.

What that is REALLY saying is that the actual front side bus is guaranteed to hit 400Mhz. That's actually quite easy for any modern Intel chipset.

Your chosen CPU runs at 333Mhz FSB normally. If you overclock this, you could probably get it as high as 400Mhz with good cooling. Since the multiplier for that CPU is 8.5, that would make your CPU run at 3.4Ghz.

DDR stands for Double Data Rate, and so your DDR2 wants to run AT LEAST twice as fast as the FSB. FSBX2 is what we mean when we say we like to have the memory at 1:1. Running it at higher multipliers, like 2.5, does not improve performance.

So, 800Mhz RAM will run on your overclocked rig just fine, unless you want to take your FSB beyond that 400Mhz point... then you might want higher rated RAM.

I like G.Skill because they always have the low voltages, which improve compatibility, heat, and possible overclocks. They also do all of this at VERY good prices. The only other company that comes close is Mushkin.

OCZ makes some kits that are OK, but I find them not as reliable.

Corsair makes a kit or two that is competitive with G.Skill.

Crucial has been bad for the last year or two.

Kingston is quite reliable actually. If you can find a 1.8V CL5 800Mhz kit from them, it would be OK... usually these come without heatspreaders though.
 

loftie

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Thought I'd say, that you won't be able to use all 4gbs of ram, if you do not have a 64 bit OS.

As for your graphics card, go with whichever you like the sound of more, the 260 216 and 4870 are pretty much the same. I'd go with the 260 personally because of the physx and it has a lower idle power draw - but either will be good.

Last but not least, I've heard people say scan.co.uk is pretty good, never used it myself though, but the prices seem pretty good. I've used overclockers and had no problem, though they do seem to be more expensive.

Good luck
 

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@drjamo

If you are willing to spend a couple of extra £'s you can get a i7 built with good spec's i think for £763.51.

I have lowered the hard drive space a little to do this, the mother board can do cross fire but not sli not sure if thats a problem for you?

CPU i7 920 http://www.itdisti.com/productmain.asp?ID=579 £235 Delivered
Mother board MSI X58 pro http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?MSI-X58PRO £160.99 Delivered
Memory 2 packs of this Corsair DDR3 2GB (2 x 1024MB) http://www.tekshop247.com/twin3x20481333c9-nbsp-corsair-ddr3-1024mb-1333mhz-240pin-dimms-p-11025.html £72 Delivered
Case Antec 300 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143854 £51.62
Hard drive Western Digital Caviar Blue 640Gb http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?WD-640AAKS £58.02
DVD drive Samsung H653F - 22x DVD+/-/RW http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?SAM-H653F £14.94
Graphics Asus ATI Radeon HD4850 512MB http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?ASU-4850 £114.99
PSU - the one you were going to use @ £55.69

Also if you go via a cashback site called Quidco, you can get cashback on stuff you by from lots of leading uk sites including these for PC parts, novatech, scan, misco, dabs, micro direct
 

drjamo

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That is awesome. I really thought i7 was well out of the picture, but I had had thoughts about the 4850 as my older 21" monitor is limited to 1280x1024 and I am not sure that the bigger GPU's would be worth it before I upgrade the screen (not for a little while - this one looks OK to me). I really appreciate your efforts in shopping around - itdisti/tekshop I have never heard of and I thought novatech was for enthusiasts with money only - eyes are now opened :eek:

I signed up for Quidco ages ago and have made absolutely no use of it at all, so you have inspired/reminded me.

This forum is such a mine of information and I really appreciate all the excellent advice I have received in this thread - just waiting for the next pay cheque (but one I think!) and then it is off to the internet shops...

many thanks, Jon

 

mrfun1981

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Glad i could help,

But remember this is just a quick system i throw together there might be better parts then these for the money. Like i just had another look on novatec & for £2 more you can get a bigger hard drive 750GB http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?WD-750KS (novatech dose offer free delivery over £50 spend)

Plus im no expert when it comes to building PC's up & the motherboard i shown you is THE cheapest i7 board on the market. As far as i no it only been out a couple of weeks so you might want to try & find some user reviews of the board 1st just to make sure you will be happy with it otherwise there are some Gigabyte boards that can be got for around for around £175 ish.

So it would be nice if one of the experts on here had a quick look at it & then we would no if its a ok system.

As for quidco you should defo use it, it may take a couple of months to get your money back & some of the shop only offer 3% back but i think it all helps. I use it for loads of sites not only for PC things, but places like argos, play.com, HMV, thorntons etc.

Plus one other site you might find usefull is http://hotukdeals.com/ people list loads bargains on there, you some times get PC stuff on there as well as clothes, PS3, xbox360 games, great deals on insurance etc. An you can get money off vouchers & free delivery codes for some sites. plus the forum on there is really fun is very active
 

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I can see your point & i guess it might not be worth the risk & if the OP is on a tight budget. would it not be worth him investing in these
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?cru-6gddr3
they are only £6 more than the link you posted & even if he stays with a 32bit OS for now he will have the extra sticks of ram ready for when he goes to a 64bit OS
 
I saw those. I thought about suggesting them but I have a hard time recommending Crucial these days. Only if you have the patience for possible RMA hassles... that's true for any hardware of course, just more so for Crucial.
 

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