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So I'm attempting my first PC build. I've been researching and researching, trying to find good parts for the cheapest I can. This is what I've come up with:

CASE: Cooler Master Elite 310 -- $27 (free shipping)

MOBO: Biostar MCP6P3 -- $26.99 (+$9.99 shipping)

CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 245 -- $49.99 (+$.99 shipping)

RAM: Super Talent 2GB DDR2-800 -- $33.48 (+1.49 shipping)

PSU: Eagle Voltas 600 watt -- $26.99 (+6.24 shipping)

HDD: [Already have a 500GB 7200PM, so this isn't needed]

ODD: [I've already got a disc drive and I download the majority of my programs, so isn't needed]

GPU: Radeon HD 4850 -- $55.00 (+$12.00 shipping)

COOLER: Corsair H50 -- $40.00 (+13.50 shipping, willing to exclude this because I'll only be doing a little bit of overclocking)

TOTAL: $295.93 ($242.43 without Corsair H50)

So what do you guys think? I was thinking about going for a GTS 250, but I found this 4850 for a bit cheaper.

My budget will be around $500, but I'd like to leave a bit extra for future upgrades (looking at you, GTX 470).
 

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I also forgot, this will be running Windows XP for the time being. I plan on upgrading to Windows 7 after some more cash comes in.

Also, I'll mostly be playing Mass Effect 2, L4D2, Crysis, Mirror's Edge, and a couple of MMOs like Vindictus, AVA, APB: Reloaded (it's going F2P now), FFXIV when it improves, and hopefully TERA Online and Blade & Soul when they release.

All will be played on DX9 at 1280x1024 until I get Windows 7 and a better monitor.
 


No to mobo

- i would rate any of these chipsets

740G
690G
GF 7XXX
NForce 6xx

far inferior than any entry level AM2+ out in 2008 due to

a. HT Limitation when paired with any AM2+/AM3 chip
b. Still stuck on PCIex16 gen 1.0/1.1, true AM2+ had migrated to PCIe gen 2.0 as of 2008

Gigabyte NForce 630a
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3497#ov
* If you install AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec; however, the frequency of AM3 CPU will not be impacted. Please refer "CPU Support List" for more information.

MSI 740GTM-P23
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=171&prod_no=1917
Hyper Transport Bus

• HyperTransport 1.0 supporting speed up to 1000MT/s

Slots

• 1 PCI Express x16 slot with x16 operation (PCI Express Bus SPEC V1.0 compliant)


Fresh builds go AM3/DDR3

Eagle PSU + HD 4850 sounds like a disaster waiting to happen :lol:
 
$433AR with Win 7 included less HDD/ODD since u have on hand hehe
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Misinformation on my part.. I was so busy looking at the price that I didn't even realize that board was that bad. I'll try to look for a better mobo, but I want to keep the ram. For everything I'll be doing (mostly gaming and writing papers) the DDR3 performance gains over DDR2 would be marginal, especially in the games.

And are Eagle PSUs that bad? I'm willing to go for an Earthwatts or a Corsair if it really could end up as disastrous as you say.
 
Ermm... I think that although the H50 is good, but I don't think you need it plus its kind of a lot considering your budget, it's not even at quiet. I think you should consider the Hyper 212+, 25$ plus free shipping on Amazon.com. The best thing, it's 25$ cheaper than your H50 since total its 55$ basically.

Hyper 212+ Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002G1YPH0/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d1_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=19WB50GJXZV2FNJS4FAK&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

Hyper 212+ review: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/19383-cooler-master-hyper-212-plus-cpu-cooler-review-10.html

Great performance, and expect greater performance on a cooler Rana. BTW I agree with Batuchka in everything but one spot. The mobo I think you should go with something with USB 3, with it going mainstream soon and all. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157195&cm_re=770_Extreme3-_-13-157-195-_-Product

If you have a friend at Microsoft he/she can pick up Win7 Home Prem. At the microsoft store for 30 bucks.
 

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Okay, I'll drop the H50 since that Hyper 212+ looks very promising, but still I hardly use USB other than for syncing my iPod to iTunes or rarely copying games between computers.

What do you think about this motherboard instead?

BIOSTAR A770E3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138179&cm_re=am3_motherboard-_-13-138-179-_-Product
 

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Ahh okay.

Well I won't even be able to build this until January, so by then I'm sure to find way better deals.

On an unrelated note, nobody else in this forum wants to give their opinion on this?
 

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Only thing is, Bulldozer isn't coming out until like Q2, which is a bit away. Even then, it's their 8 core Zambezi coming out, and 6 and 4 core won't be until Q3.

I'm looking best bang for my buck to build as soon as possible, and by the time those come out I could possibly get a Phenom X6 1055t and an HD 5850 for very cheap.
 
It's not like that's UNBEARABLE. I mean for the performance you'll get expect like a 2x from the current gen. Since the strongest chip in the lineup is expected to be up at the i7 performance level. No chip of AMD's current lineups even get to that performance.
 

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Is it just me, or are you guys seriously advising somebody to save money by buying Biostar on one hand and a totally unnecessary aftermarket cooler on the other?

@ OP - Azin & Mal are right. Wait up a little if you can. If you can't, then drop the idea of any aftermarket cooler. You'll never need it, much less H2O!!

Get an Asus, Giga, MSI with the saved money. For budget PSU's, look at the Basiq range from Antec, or the Stallion series from Rosewill. A good 450 Watt unit will cost you something in the vicinity of $40. Or get the CM elite 310 with a PSU for $60. They're always plenty good - any day ahead of Eagle/Biostar.

The rest of Batuchka's build looks decent enough for the price. Just one thing though - If you're on a budget, you can save a hundred bucks by getting your OS for free.
 
Well the H50 is a good cooler, But I don't even consider it real water cooling. Basiq from Antec kind of sucks.... I think that a good budget PSU is the Seasonic 520w which is 60$ and the Cooler Master Silent Pro 600w for 70$.
 

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The main reason I chose Biostar was because I may need some the extra money for books and supplies (freshman in college).

I DID have my eye on a Gigabyte board, the GA-M68MT-D3, before coming up with this build:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128454&cm_re=gigabyte_am3_motherboard-_-13-128-454-_-Product

And maybe this Cooler Master PSU, as I've been hearing good things about it:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171038&cm_re=cooler_master_power_supply-_-17-171-038-_-Product

I'm also thinking about bumping up to a Rana or maybe a 620 Propus. Definitely dropping the idea of an aftermarket cooler for now.
 
Why would you get that mobo that is a terrible chipset, and an old one. The Nvidia chipsets suck for AMD straightup. I'm telling you if you go with that board you'll regret it with the probs that'll come up. And that's suprising you heard good things about the CM Extreme series. The Extreme series was the downfall of CM psu's the Silent Pro series was the revival. The Extreme series from what I hear, breaks down fast and is very inconsistent.

So I suggest going with Asrock Extreme3 770. That's a 70$ board ATX and is a great future proofer. Has USB 3 and SATA 6. I think you shouldn't drop the Hyper 212+, it's only 25$ keep it and go for a Rana 445. Great combo.
 

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Wow I'm way more uneducated over this subject than I thought...

So I should get the Asrock Extreme3 770 for $70, a CM Silent Pro 600 watt for $70, a 445 Rana for $73, and the Hyper 212+ for $25. Okay.

I really need to go total all of this..
 

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What about an OCZ ModXStream Pro 500 watt? I've found one for $50 and a 440 Rana for $40. It's just a 100 mhz difference between the two Ranas, or is there something else that I don't know about either of these?
 
A rana 440 is good too, the only difference is the stepping, the 445 is an updated rana that runs with the C3 stepping, the 440 is the old C2. The difference is the C2 is hotter (a bit) and doesn't OC as well as the C3's. So if that's something your going to worry about get the 445. But if not the 440 is fine. They both OC the same anyways. The 500w ModXstream I don't trust but that's because i never trusted OCZ psus.
 

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OCZ PSU's are plenty good in the budget range. Get a $50 OCZ Fatal1ty 550W or a $30 COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus 500W if you want a quality, inexpensive 500 Watt one from a reputable brand.

Also, if you can afford it, the Athlon II X3 450 is gonna be all the CPU you'll ever need for all your requirements and then some. In any case, an Athlon 245 that you originally stated will prolly bottleneck a future GPU upgrade/xfire.

And drop the idea of a quad. You'll never need one, much less a hexa-core :ouch: for gaming. Those are specialized CPU's meant for specialized multi-threaded apps that perform better with multiple threads - and gaming ain't one of 'em. Games of today aren't even optimized for 3 cores anyways. Fast Intel dual-core or AMD tri-cores tend not to bottleneck any mainstream GPU in the market today.

Motherboard - Get the Asrock 770. That's by far the best option at your price range. If you want to xfire that GPU in the future, an ASRock 870 EXTREME3 will be a slightly better option, but will come at a price. You can stick to the 770 if you want to.

Finally, you've got enough good suggestions from the forum members as it is. The more you ponder, the more likely you are to get confused. It can seem a bit overwhelming, what with so many choices and all, but the following list will do alright for a budget AMD build that you originally wrote about -

CPU- Athlon II X3 450

Mobo- Asrock 770 Extreme3 or, if you wanna keep the Xfire option open, the $100 ASRock 870 EXTREME3

RAM- A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) - dont bother about getting CL7. The extra 20-30 bucks are just not worth it in the real world if you're on a budget.

HDD- SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 500GB

GPU- depending on your resolution and budget - SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 with free 8GB Flash Drive.

PSU- OCZ Fatal1ty 550W

ODD- Sony Optiarc from Batuchka's link.

Case- Whatever suits your fancy and fits your budget. Just get an ATX spec mid-sizer. The Elite 310 in your original link is a fantastic value-for-money offering. I use the orange one with my i7 build. So can vouch for it. Never liked spending necessarily on fancy cases instead of putting my money into the build itself :)

Try to get combo deals with the same or similar components for a very decent gaming system at your price point.
 

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@ azn, yes, as a matter of fact I did. That's why I wrote "you've got enough good advise from the members". But seeing as he was having difficulty deciding, presented with so many choices from so many quarters, I decided to put it all together for him in one post.

And by the way, it's bad advise when you ask somebody to get the 440 when the 450 (200 Mhz faster) can be had for only 3 dollars extra.

Also, I didn't see a single mention of Overclocking in any post, yet you're saddling him with a totally unnecessary aftermarket cooler!

I have seen your previous posts on other threads, azn. You just look to pick up fights and do nothing else. I really hope you're a child in your early to mid-teens, coz that's how you behave on this forum. If you're any older, then I think you need a shrink for your anti-social tendencies.
 

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Actually, I did mention it (first post at the COOLER line), but only a little overclocking unless it's possible to get some pretty good results without screwing anything up.

Come on guys, don't flame this up, PLEASE. I'm loving all the different options out there. I'm just not so much confused at the many options as I am intrigued at all the opinions on this hardware.