Unstable GPU usage. CPU Throttle or Bottleneck?

FelipeMarchon

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I'm having an unusual GPU utilization on games like Battlefield 1. I saw benchmarks on youtube with the same GPU and CPU with BF1 running at 70-80 fps on 1080p ultra. Sometimes i do get the FPS, but it drops as quickly as it rises. I've recorded a vídeo using msi afterburn to analyze my temps and utilization.
My GPU utilization goes from 99% to 20% suddenly, some times to 9%, causing HUGE lag. My CPU utilization stays at 99%, at 70-80 °C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcYaULNJAJc&feature=youtu.be

PS: I have no WaterCooler
 
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Ya'll are all over the place. That 2500 is a sandy bridge lga1155 cpu. It's also about as good as it gets. Those Sandie handle heat better than the later Ivy, so even a 3570k wouldn't be of much use in that climate.

No a 4690k will not work, that's lga1150, totally different motherboard needed. No a 6600k will not work either, that's lga1151 and requires not only a different mobo, but buying ddr4 ram as well.

3 things need to happen.
1. Find a way to lower cpu usage. This means check windows for anything running in the background and kill it before gaming hard. Lower cpu bound graphics settings. Etc.
2. Most definitely a better cooler. The stock cooler is totally inadequate for those ambient temps. A liquid cooler would be best...
Would an Intel Core i5-4690K do much of a diference? Also, i saw people benchmark with the same CPU and GPU with no bottleneck. Did you saw my vídeo? My GPU usage would fall from 99% usage to 20%, while my CPU temp would stay at almost 80°C
 
72.6c is the max temp for your CPU. Above that it throttles speed. Basically what's happening is your CPU is downclocking until it gets the temp under control, and that's when youre getting the fps drops. You are going to burn your CPU (and possibly other parts) out running it like that. That explains the GPU usage dropping. It's an open and shut case of bottleneck, as much as everyone hates hearing that about their rig.

An i5 4690k would make a World of difference yeah, but you could get an i5 6600k for the same price if not less which would be even better, unless you already have other parts or plan on getting 2nd hand.
 

Thing is, i dont have the budget right now to buy a new CPU, i Just bought this GPU and PSU. Would a WaterCooler solve my problem and run my games at stable FPS?

 
Yeah a better cooler may help a lot. What is your CPU usage when you hit these high temps? If you can get those temps under control I am sure you'll get better performance. What cooler are you using now? Stock? A good air cooler may be just as good and cheaper because it sure does sound expensive in Brazil!
 
You're pushing that little i5 pretty hard, pegged at 99% utilization at those temps it's going to throttle and that's likely what you are seeing. Outside of a system upgrade I would suggest a more effective cooling solution, either water as you've mentioned or a good air cooler. Either way ambient temperature is also as importance....if it's 30+ deg C in the room you are gonna have a bad time regardless.
 


Ooooh....stock cooler is meh. Any quality air cooler, Hyper 212 or equivalent should help...what kind of cooler does your GPU have...? If it is an open air style where the hot air is dumped into the case you should try and get another exhaust fan if there is room....quick solution/test is pull the side off your case and see if the temps improve on CPU and GPU.
 
I think i have room for 2 more coolers on the top of my case, my mobo cant fit a needle anymore, my PSU still have lots of room thought, i dont know If it will connect to the PSU or mobo. My GPU have three fans, its big, gigabyte GTX 970 Xtreme gaming. Already tried moving my PC to another more fresh room with an air conditioner at 17°C and even open the site of the case, it lowered my idle temp at 5 degrees and my gaming temp at 2 degrees, which is hot enought.
 
Ya'll are all over the place. That 2500 is a sandy bridge lga1155 cpu. It's also about as good as it gets. Those Sandie handle heat better than the later Ivy, so even a 3570k wouldn't be of much use in that climate.

No a 4690k will not work, that's lga1150, totally different motherboard needed. No a 6600k will not work either, that's lga1151 and requires not only a different mobo, but buying ddr4 ram as well.

3 things need to happen.
1. Find a way to lower cpu usage. This means check windows for anything running in the background and kill it before gaming hard. Lower cpu bound graphics settings. Etc.
2. Most definitely a better cooler. The stock cooler is totally inadequate for those ambient temps. A liquid cooler would be best, but air will work. Get the biggest and best your budget will allow for. Don't skimp. Quality is important here, a crappy cheap cooler is usually no better than what you started with.
3. Airflow. Get some. Fans in front, fans up top. Air in low, air out high. That hot air from the gpu and cpu coolers needs to go.
 
Solution

Cons of living in Satan's ass. JK, i love the beaches :) First thing on the morning, i've 400 reais stocked (122 dollars) thats enought to buy me a water coller only or a set of fans top and front and a air cooler for my cpu. Right now, my cpu is 55°C idle

 


Do you really think I didnt know the 4790k and 6600k used different sockets? I presumed the OP meant changing boards as well. I am a hardcore techie and would at least like the credit to realise that I know that.

You are very wrong about a non k 2500. The IPC of Sandy Bridge CPU's is far lesser than newer gens, and clockspeed size aint everything... I can personally guarantee that a 3570k would outperform a 2500 with it's hands tied behind it's back, so would stay a lot cooler. You are giving misleading information and chassis airflow has practically nothing to do with TJ thermals. Motherboard temps maybe, but run your system with chassis fans off and you'll see exactly what I mean. If you really think background processes are going to make an ounce of difference (unless in extreme cases) then you need to go back and resit your CPU exams bro.

OP, a better cooler will make a World of difference, as hitting the max temp doesnt necessarily mean you are utilizing 100% of the CPU, as your cooler and/or thermal paste may have degraded over time to the point that it's in desperate need of replacement.
 


Wow Felipe...that idle temp is really....high. In 20 deg C room I sit at about 28 deg C at idle. Hyper 212 on my 4690k and a Blower style GPU so heat out the back not in the case.

 
@Multipack
Yes, I've seen some of your prior posts, I fully understand you have somewhat of a technical background, and yes that's easy to give recognition and credit for.
I presumed OP wasn't going to be upgrading the entire PC, just a cpu upgrade, since that was discussed, a move to a 4960k etc so was taken in that context. Many OP's don't know that you just can't add a cpu, you must remain in the family, so wasn't aimed specifically at you.
IPC of sandies isn't that far below anything. The 2500 is the best cpu for that H61 board apart from the 2600, which just exasperates OP's issue. Heat. The bonus to sandies is their soldered lid. Granted the 3570k has better IPC and higher clocks, but the difference being the TIM used on Ivys makes them more suspect to heat issues, the sandies handling heat far better.

As far as TJ thermals goes, case heat has a lot to do with them. In climate controlled area, not so much, but in open air applications, ambient temp inside a case when used in conjunction with an air cooler can play hell with cpu temps. I'm assuming that you know that its impossible to lower cpu temps to below ambient by mechanical means, so if case temps are in the 50's, the minimum temp at idle will be in the 50's, closer to 60's. Add in gpu temps under gaming conditions and air cooled cpu exhaust, case temps will be in the 70's, which greatly reduces the air coolers ability and leaves cpu temps closer to 80's and getting hotter by the minute. Gotta have airflow. Its an absolute must or the heat becomes cyclic , constantly feeding continuously hotter air, further reducing the cpu coolers ability until after a while it reaches throttling temps.

If you think background processes are unimportant, you are mistaken. not only do they absorb processing power, but they do not allow the pc to idle. OP has enough to handle with lower IPC from his sandie, no need to kill any source of performance. 20% background can take my 34 degree idle 3570k to 55 degree, and that's liquid cooled. Shutting down things like Indexing, antivirus checks, google updates, win10 searches etc and regulating them to idle only times, starting after 15mins of idle, and not allowing them to run during gaming will only help, it frees up processor usage, a cpu running 70% runs cooler than the same cpu at 90%. but that's not news to you, but may be to OP.

You are perfectly correct in your suggestion that a better cooler will make a world of difference. But only in the sence that the temps will be temporary and subject to case ambient temps. Even a Noctua NH-D15 can't do much when case temps are in the 50's, it'll still see 50's and better, but for a short time will have much lower temps than the stock cooler, until the cpu cooler itself becomes acclimatized, in which case it'll still have high temps, but is better able to absorb them.

OP needs airflow. With just a single exhaust fan in a hot ambient, his case temps are killing performance, throttling the cpu. Getting that heat out of the case is just as important as keeping the cpu temps down, they go hand in hand.

I've been inside PC's for over 30 years, have an IT engineering degree and a decent background in Thermal Dynamics. Give me some credit too. You are talking about performance as it applies to FPS. I was talking about performance as it applies to being actually able to get the FPS by maintaining the cpu in nominal operating temps. Slightly different direction, even if the destination is the same.