Question Unusually high CPU temps and fan noises right after upgrading to the 22H2 build

[DuneStar]

I have a pretty expensive pre-built desktop that I purchased almost 2 years ago that has been running extremely well. It's very stylish and the fan noises were always hard to even notice even when dialed to extreme performance mode. This all changed recently when I downloaded and force-installed the 22H2 build of Windows 11. Somehow I wasn't able to install it from Windows Update so I got the installer from Microsoft.

Immediately after, I noticed a few things. The Power Management setting was changed automatically assigning a sleep timer and monitor turn off as part of their green carbon emissions reduction plan. No biggie as it was easy to adjust. The other thing I noticed is that when playing a certain game that I've been playing for over a year, the usually barely audible fans now sound like a jet engine getting ready to take off. The CPU temps are now around 80 - 90C which was never the case before.

I went to Device Manager to see if maybe there were some drivers that didn't install well with the update but I noticed nothing unusual.

Is this a known issue? Is there anyone out there that has heard of high CPU temps and fans going crazy right after the 22H2 build?

And please don't say that it's suddenly caused by dust or that the 22H2 update somehow magically caused the CPU paste to chip off needing replacing. Again, system was running fine and I've been having these issues right after updating to the 22H2 build of Windows 11. I had been running the previous build of Windows 11 without any issues for over a year prior.

My Specs:

Msi MEG Z490 Aegis Ti5 (MS-B931)
Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-10900K CPU @ 3.70GHz
32 GB @
- 16 GB DDR4-2933, Samsung M378A2K43DB1-CVF
- 16 GB DDR4-2933, Samsung M378A2K43DB1-CVF
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080
Latest GeForce Game Ready Driver Version 531.41
SSD, XVDD, 8.76 GB
Drive: SSD, Raid 0 Volume, 3726.03 GB
Drive: HDD, ST2000DM008-2FR102, 1863.02 GB

Windows Update does not find anything to update. A thorough Microsoft Defender scan has not found anything unusual.

Many thanks in advance!

 

[SchizTech]

Was the update done by clean install, or an in place upgrade? There may have been errors in the upgrade process if that option was chosen.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Is this a known issue? Is there anyone out there that has heard of high CPU temps and fans going crazy right after the 22H2 build?

Hey there,

Whilst it's possible that a fresh OS install could cause some issues, I don't think that's the issue here. More coincidental, than a diagnosis.

And please don't say that it's suddenly caused by dust or that the 22H2 update somehow magically caused the CPU paste to chip off needing replacing. Again, system was running fine and I've been having these issues right after updating to the 22H2 build of Windows 11. I had been running the previous build of Windows 11

This makes things harder. You are dismissing potential causes before they are even offered, rather than testing and trying to solve.

So, can the paste go after 2 years!? Yes, it can. You would have to re-paste to be sure.

If you are on an Insider ring distro's then this could also be an issue. You don't get any guarantee with it, and it also can cause issues. What version of Windows are you on?

Are all system drivers up to date? Is the bios up to date? Both could cause issues.

What PSU have you got in the rig?

don't say that it's suddenly caused by dust

When was the last time you did some PC cleaning?

 

[DuneStar]

Was the update done by clean install, or an in place upgrade? There may have been errors in the upgrade process if that option was chosen.

No, it was an in-place upgrade. All my data and files were kept just as if Windows Update was performing an update on my system. I was only updating a Win 11 build from a previous Win 11 build so I figured I could get by with the in-place upgrade.

 

[DuneStar]

Hey there,

Whilst it's possible that a fresh OS install could cause some issues, I don't think that's the issue here. More coincidental, than a diagnosis.



This makes things harder. You are dismissing potential causes before they are even offered, rather than testing and trying to solve.

So, can the paste go after 2 years!? Yes, it can. You would have to re-paste to be sure.

If you are on an Insider ring distro's then this could also be an issue. You don't get any guarantee with it, and it also can cause issues. What version of Windows are you on?

Are all system drivers up to date? Is the bios up to date? Both could cause issues.

What PSU have you got in the rig?



When was the last time you did some PC cleaning?

LOL... I just fail to see the logic in someone explaining that their system was working well and once they updated to a newer build of Windows and then advising to just start troubleshooting for things like dust and CPU paste. I think it's incredibly unlikely that it's dust that's causing and the effects just happen to coincide with me installing the new build.

The Windows version is in my OP along with stating that there aren't any drivers detected for updating.
I don't know what the PSU is as it wasn't listed in any of the specs. It's most likely a msi custom-made one to fit the specific case.

The BIOS is not up-to-date. Msi Dragon Center is listing a new version MH-V389 (v. 114) but also stated to not attempt to update the BIOS on a working system.

 

[John Chesterfield]

No, it was an in-place upgrade.

And there you go. They've NEVER gotten that right since W95 to 98, sometimes it works, sometimes you get issues like this.

In place upgrades are still not great, I refuse to do them at work now after so many not going well. All you can do is check all power management and cooling settings are the same as they were before the upgrade. if they are, clean install.

 

[Deleted member 14196]

I agree the in place upgrade is a failure. And there’s nothing you can do about that. It’s time to format the drive and install it clean.

The other option would be to use your back up and restore your old windows 10, but I bet you don’t have one of those do you

 

[DuneStar]

I agree the in place upgrade is a failure. And there’s nothing you can do about that. It’s time to format the drive and install it clean.

The other option would be to use your back up and restore your old windows 10, but I bet you don’t have one of those do you

I was on Windows 11 before the update. And no, I don't think I have the backup. What I thought of doing is revert Windows back to a previous restore point but it's been quite a few days since.

 

[Rokinamerica]

First thing if you think software may be the issue is go to a restore point before the software update. Once that is done and either fixes or is eliminated as culprit, go from there.

 

[John Chesterfield]

I was on Windows 11 before the update. And no, I don't think I have the backup. What I thought of doing is revert Windows back to a previous restore point but it's been quite a few days since.

What I was referring to in my post about what I do at work was going from different versions of Windows 10 that often never work well, say from 1909 to 20H2, to 21H2, not from 10 to 11.

In place upgrades have a reasonable chance of not doing what they should, it happens and it appears to have happened in your case unfortunately.

 

[Deleted member 14196]

So tell us about why the update wouldn’t apply through windows if you were already on windows 11? I’m thinking something was wrong with the OS in the first place

did you tweak it? Did you use driver updater software on it? Did you examine the CPU tab on resource monitor and sort by CPU usage?

 

[Colif]

This all changed recently when I downloaded and force-installed the 22H2 build of Windows 11.

force installed? What do you mean by this? Oh, you updated using the iso.

Updating win 11 via an iso shouldn't have changed the fan profiiles. How it worked before carry over if all you did was update windows.
Do you run MSI centre as perhaps updating it would help?
https://www.msi.com/Desktop/MEG-Aegis-Ti5-10th/support#utility
I assume it runs the fans in windows.

 

[Dylan Beckett]

@DuneStar

The BIOS is not up-to-date. Msi Dragon Center is listing a new version MH-V389 (v. 114) but also stated to not attempt to update the BIOS on a working system.

Hey,

I've never heard a company say 'do not update a working system' etc?
Maybe I'm just naïve - but that sounds a bit too final/extreme to me.

Granted - it's probably best to avoid it if you can as my understanding is that you should be very very careful as it can go wrong and brick your system.


While I can't necessarily explain away all your issues - it is possible that you might be having memory issues - which flashing the BIOS may fix? But make sure you get the instructions on how to do it directly from your Motherboard Manufacturer to be absolutely safe.

Do you have the XMP turned on? If yes - try switching it off, use windows/browser for a while, and test with a hardcore game?
Did you run a search to see if your memory is supported by your mobo (i forget what do they call that again)?

Also don't rely on Windows update - check your major drivers are all up to date manually.

I have been having problems with my win 11 pro (before the 22H2 and after) - and I've tried in-place upgrade (really a refresh of system stuff leaving personal stuff alone) from the ISO too... and it still didn't fix the windows problems.


So I'm contemplating - installing a second Win 11 on a separate drive (just to test for a while and see if the bugs are gone with a completely fresh install). You could create a partition to do this on the one drive in a pinch - but best to avoid it if you can (accidents happen - don't want to lose your stuff or Windows installs).





Get Macrium Reflect and do a full backup of your Data/ personal stuff.
Also, it wouldn't hurt to do a full back up of the either the entire system drive, or just the Windows System drive stuff minus your personal stuff (so you could always go back to the way the system is now).

Have that stuff ready to go on a spare USB drive or something just in case.


I know GPU's often have their own software to control the fans specifically.
Check you have that installed, and try using it (set limits or whatever), make sure it's up to date.

I'm pretty sure you can do that in the BIOS / UEFI too?
Maybe it's set to something weird in there?



Anything else going weird with your Windows (eg software glitches, quirks) or is it just the Fans?
Are the MOBO Fans ok?

I assume you haven't physically changed/moved/undone anything in your system recently?


BTW - get online and use the MS Live Chat - see what they think.
Also talk to your Mobo manufacturer.

Let us know how you're going.




Good luck.

 

[DuneStar]

So tell us about why the update wouldn’t apply through windows if you were already on windows 11? I’m thinking something was wrong with the OS in the first place

did you tweak it? Did you use driver updater software on it? Did you examine the CPU tab on resource monitor and sort by CPU usage?

It would just never show up as an option to update it in Windows Update. I could swear that I saw it pop up there once, I don't think I was ready to install it at the time, so I skipped it. No matter how many times I'd refresh, it would never come back. So, like a dumbass, I went and downloaded the little ISO installation from Microsoft and ran it. It didn't give me any errors that I noticed except for blowing out my fans and high CPU temps all of a sudden.

 

[Colif]

I've never heard a company say 'do not update a working system' etc?
Maybe I'm just naïve - but that sounds a bit too final/extreme to me.

BIOS updates aren't something you do just because one exists. You only upgrade them if you are having problems. As you said, they can brick systems but modern motherboards and their update methods are a lot better now and the only advice I offer is to not do one if there is a chance of a power outage midway through. A lot of boards offer ways to recover from corrupt bios now.

It could be drivers were updated after the windows fix, so updating BIOS could mean the drivers match the hardware settings.

 

[DuneStar]

force installed? What do you mean by this? Oh, you updated using the iso.

Updating win 11 via an iso shouldn't have changed the fan profiiles. How it worked before carry over if all you did was update windows.
Do you run MSI centre as perhaps updating it would help?
https://www.msi.com/Desktop/MEG-Aegis-Ti5-10th/support#utility
I assume it runs the fans in windows.

OMG.... .. . I'm so F'ED!!! 🥹😭😭😭

I went and installed Msi Center feeling all hopeful that it will solve my issue because it was a version released just days ago. Even though I've checked for the latest version of Msi Dragon Center, which I had been using all this time, it seems this is no longer being updated and the new supported software is the Msi Center. I installed it and it made matters worse! I fired up the game and the temps quickly went to 99C with the fans on max speed before I quit. I did a restart and the fans were reving up even at the Windows login screen now. WTF is happening?!? I went into BIOS but saw that the fans have the 'Smart Fan' option checked and all had complicated graphs with fan curves that I didn't want to mess with. It seems that they aren't turned off or anything.

After some deep thinking, I decided to do a system restore and found a point going back to 2/28/2023 which should've been before my idiotic mistake of installing the 22H2 update and everything <Mod Edit> the bed.

Wouldn't you know it... that's what did me in! System Restore just stood there after logging out of Windows with the Please Wait.... Restoring the Registry System' and the loading animation froze. After waiting for another 20 mins (the system fans are in jet engine mode mind you this entire time) I decided to power off the system because it was frozen. Windows loaded and I was greeted with a message saying the System Restore failed to apply changes and if I wanted to revert back to the point right before initiating the restore. I clicked OK, and while the animation wasn't stuck frozen like before this time, it was in the 'Restoring Registry System' screen for over an hour. I powered off the system and upon powering it back on I get this when trying to launch 90% of all apps. Some Windows apps like Mail and Groove Music don't even show up on my Taskbar anymore:

I'm officially in PC HELL now! All had been well for far too long. To make matters worse... I had to company who built my PC put two 2 Tb SSDs in Raid 0 mode. While I have experience with building PCs and configuring Software, I have none when it comes to setting up Raid volumes in BIOS. Do I have to worry about that when I do a clean install of Windows 11? How would I go about my clean install?

In the mean-time I'm backing up my files and data to my other conventional HDD internal data drive (Volume D).

🥹😭😭😭😭

 

[Dylan Beckett]

OMG.... .. . I'm so F'ED!!! 🥹😭😭😭

The others can confirm or correct me... re all of this...


Maybe try this before you do anything else
Windows Scan / Repair - and see link at bottom of this page for more detailed instructions etc.


I had a USB stick with the win 11 ISO on it (i think)? I can't remember if it was that or some other Win 11 installer or maybe an official Windows 'emergency' type USB app.

Wait - actually I think it was the Macrium Reflect Emergency Repair USB App or something? Pretty sure that is probably it?

So my PC wasn't letting me log in - seemed fine other than that... tried everything.
I finally put the USB in then booted and it seemed to fix some stuff in the bios or windows... I can't remember exactly...

But it fixed windows so I could finally log in as normal.
Again - not sure exactly what I did or why it worked - but it's worth a shot!


Also - why do you need raid exactly (for what purpose and is it worth the hassle/risk when this kind of thing happens) ?

Maybe you could just install a second copy of Win 11 on a third (non-raid drive) to make it easier to copy/backup all your stuff just in case they fail.

And re @Colif's comment about losing power when flashing BIOS - that's true.

Just use a UPS.
If you don't already have one - get one.

They're very very cheap compared to the amount of money it could save you for your whole pc!

Cyberpower are the ones to get.




good luck.

 

[DuneStar]

The others can confirm or correct me... but I had a usb stick with the win 11 iso on it (i think)? I can't remember if it was that or some other Win 11 installer or maybe an 'emergency' type usb app. Anyway - I think I found this out by accident.

My PC wasn't letting me log in - seemed fine other than that... tried everything.
I finally put the win usb in then booted and it seemed to fix some stuff in the bios or windows... I can't remember exactly...

But it fixed windows so I could finally log in as normal.

Again - not sure exactly what i did or why it worked - but it's worth a shot!

Also - why do you need raid exactly (what kind for what purpose)?

Maybe you could just install a second copy on a third (non-raid drive) to make it easier to copy/backup all your stuff just in case they fail.

And re Colif's comment about losing power when flashing BIOS - that's true. Just use a UPS.
If you don't already have one - get one. They're very very cheap compared to the amount of money it could save you for your whole pc!

good luck.

The Raid 0 puts the two 2 TB SSDs together to show up as one 4 TB drive which is my C: Drive.
I don't have a Windows copy on USB since mine came already installed with the pre-built PC.

 

[Dylan Beckett]

The Raid 0 puts the two 2 TB SSDs together to show up as one 4 TB drive which is my C: Drive.
I don't have a Windows copy on USB since mine came already installed with the pre-built PC.

No I mean - why do you even want Raid 0? For what reason?
It's the least safe Raid of all isn't it?

Shouldn't you have a user license number for Windows so you can reinstall it using the ISO?
I've not used a PC bought that way but heard you get a limited number of reinstalls with that license on that pc only?

Worst case -buy another copy of Windows to own for good.
The Manufacturer you bout it from might help?

 

[DuneStar]

I went in and launched the game and games seems to still work. It's the Windows apps along with some other ones (can't even right-click to go to Nvidia settings) that are affected with the message from the screenshot.

Anyways, I'm back in the game and no matter what I do, the temps are locked between 74C - 76C with the fans barely audible as it used to be. But now my Windows barely works....

If my high temps and fan noise issue doesn't sound like a software-related issue, Idk what does. Keep in mind, I haven't opened my PC to dust or do anything.

 

[DuneStar]

No I mean - why do you even want Raid 0? For what reason?
It's the least safe Raid of all isn't it?

Shouldn't you have a user license number for Windows so you can reinstall it using the ISO?
I've not used a PC bought that way but heard you get a limited number of reinstalls with that license on that pc only?

Worst case -buy another copy of Windows to own for good.
The Manufacturer you bout it from might help?

Yes, Raid 0 is the least safe but also the fastest. SSDs have come a long ways and the ones I'm using were certified and tested enough to be good for this configuration.

So, I download the ISO, put it on a thumb drive, boot to it, and go from there?

 

[SchizTech]

Yes, Raid 0 is the least safe but also the fastest. SSDs have come a long ways and the ones I'm using were certified and tested enough to be good for this configuration.

So, I download the ISO, put it on a thumb drive, boot to it, and go from there?

More or less. Windows activation shouldn't be a problem either: 1. if it's a pre-built it should have the key stored in the bios (you'll notice during the install routine it won't ask which version to install) 2. even a retail board, once properly activated, will reactivate automatically once online. Windows activation nowadays is stored in the activation servers (which store a hardware ID of each activated PC)

 

[SchizTech]

Once you get to the disk partitioning screen it should be sufficient to format the Windows partition (there will be several smaller ones in addition to the main Windows partition on the primary physical drive). If you leave the other drives alone data should be safe

 

[DuneStar]

I'm about to do it!!!

I'll be using the Reset this PC local image option from Settings > System > Recovery > Reset PC

Wish me luck!

It's had a good run. 2 1/2 years going strong. Curse you 22H2 update!!!!!!!!!!! CURSE YOU TO HELL!

 

[DuneStar]

Many hours of work later and... Nope... that wasn't it! On top of the initial overheating issues, Auto HDR seems to now be broken too where it worked before. FML....