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Well, the time has come! My refund check has arrived and I'm ready to finally build!! One thing is edged in stone and that's the i7 920. I got it already for $219. <Updated 4/6-4/9 to reflect some great recommendations and purchased >

<bought on 4/7> Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188039

I'm going to attempt to O/C for the first time!

<Bought on 4/7 with mobo combo deal> RAM: Went with GSKILL 6GB DDR3-1600 $95

DVD-RW: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106286

I don't watch movies on my system

Sound card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102019

Still debating on this one---> HDD: 1) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136322

For Windows Vista and all component software/drivers
2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284

All games!

<Bought on 4/7> Heatsink: Changed---->http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029

Thermal paste: IC Diamond 7 Carat- 1.5 grams

bought---> Video card: Saphire O/C 4890 (with free OCZ flash drive)


bought---->Changed--->Corsair 850w (just in case I crossfire)

Bought---> CM HAF932 Full Tower

OS: Windows Vista 64-bit system builders

Monitor: 22"-24" Either LG, Viewsonic, Samsung, or Ausus
(Im reading about the 3D tech which looks cool but wanting to make sure its not a gimmick as well as the new 120mhz ones) Screen size that Im looking for is between 1680x1050 or 1920x1200.

Speakers: Hopefully on sale: Z5500

*This is just a gaming system. No Microsoft Office.*


The monitor will be last to get.

So far, I spent: $900 total with some shipping charges and including about $100 worth of Mail in rebates
 
Nice build you have there. :) You could always over clock your vid cards yourself. Easy as pie to do. Just dl "riva tuner" and go from there. If your looking for a case that is set up for gaming then the obvious choice would be a case that's roomy, and has superior cooling/airflow/ventilation. Give this Cooler Master HAF a good look, and read some of the reviews on it. It's about as good as it gets for a gaming case. Also check out "frostytech" for the heat sink reviews. That Xigmatek is in the top 10 on there. It's proven, and it's reasonably priced. Same with the memory down below.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160 <=== Better pics, specs, and user reviews of that case.

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm <===heat sink reviews.

http://www.securemart.com/SMA2101442?mv_pc=294&mv_specials=&mv_stock=y $119.91
Cooler Master RC-932-KKN1-GP HAF 932 Chassis - 12 Bays - Black

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125255 $339.99 ($309.99 after $30.00 Mail-In Rebate)
GIGABYTE GV-N285-1GH-B GeForce GTX 285 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231247 $94.99 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029 $39.99
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152 $24.99 Free Shipping*
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM
 

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if you get a 16x10 display, a single 4890 or GTX 275 would be a good fit for that display. At 19x12 res, you could get by just fine with a GTX 285. A dual GPU setup with any of those GPU's would be a waste of money. how about something a little more reasonable? Go for a dual GPU setup with two cheaper cards, like this:

2 of these would max out any game on your 19x12 monitor and give you better results than your single GTX 285 option
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127409

Put your games on the Vrap, otherwise you wasted your money. Or just don't get a Vrap at all, I think its a waste of money even if you use it to its full potential. Vrap drives are worth about half of what they cost IMO.
 
That X-Fi Titanium gets rather bad user reviews. It doesn't seem to like Vista much. Consider an HT Omega or Auzentech instead.

I am not convinced that the Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme can fit in that Apevia case since it's only 7.8" wide. I'd spend $20 more for the CoolerMaster Haf 932. It has better cooling, it's larger, and in fact it's not really $20 more because it has free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160&Tpk=Haf 932
You will need good cooling with two high-end gaming cards, regardless of whether you go with nVidia or ATI.

The Cosmos 1000 is a good choice too.

If you get the Haf 932 you really don't need to buy any extra fans IMO.


 
BTW, good build otherwise.

I agree with xthekidx - for a 22" or lower you only need a HD 4890 or GTX 275. Then you could get one of those cards and a 650TX PSU and save some money.

You could also save some money with a cheaper MB like the GA-EX58-UD3R (for HD 4890 cards) or GA-EX58-UD3R-SLI (for GTX 275 or GTX 285 cards). Why don't you compare features with that eVGA and see if the eVGA is really worth the extra cash.
 

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I saw that the GTX 275 is in line with the 4890 and the 285's are roughly $340. I was leaning toward the 4890. Maybe I should of thrown this in at the beginning....One of my present games is FSX. I thought Crossfire/SLi would benefit FSX.

I saw the Gigabyte mobo that aevm recommended. Some OC issues and tight fit for video cards seems to be the cons in the Gigabyte mobos. Thats why I picked the EVGA
one because of the great O/C feature that it has and if I want to go SLI or Crossfire. I saw a picture with 2 285's that fit like a glove also. Since there is no tax on newegg, i don't mind going to the EVGA board.

Anyone else's opinions concerning the 2 hard drives? I was thinking of putting everything on the WD raptor but it's only 300GB. Is there no difference between the raptor and a 1TB SATA II 3.0. I thought separating my games from Vista would keep Vista free from any "influences."

I'm also looking at the Thermaltake Armor + case and the CM 932. I thought the Apevia LCD temperature gauges were nice :)

If all I need is a 4890, then that's fine. If I need just one 275 then thats fine also. I see that the 275 has DDR3 memory and the 4890 has GDDR5. The 4890 has a higher memory clock. Plus I figure to get a EVGA video card since they have the step up program.

Concerning the heatsink, yeah, I had qualms about the thermalright ultra-120. I saw that the XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail is a good one (from why-me).
 
I agree with xthekidx that your games should be on the Velociraptor. 300GB is plenty for Vista and a bunch of games. If you manage to fill it you can always uninstall some games, or just move their folders to the storage drive. They won't work from there, but you can move the folders back to play them again.

The difference is that the Velociraptor will find small files 25% faster and will read large files about 30% faster. That will help when starting a game or loading a level. It may even help during playing, if the game loads from disk often. Mind you, the WD 1TB is fast enough too, so I don't think that will be a problem.

If you're sure about using the step-up program, then you have to go with the eVGA cards (275 or 285), you can't pick the HD 4890. But in that case, why don't you just buy the card you really want already, and save yourself the pain and postage costs of the step-up? Get a GTX 295 and be done with it. The step-up only works for 3 months, and there's absolutely no guarantee that there will be a new video card worth upgrading to (from GTX 285) released in the next 3 months. The latest rumors say that TSMC is having trouble with the 40nm technology and therefore chances are small that the new cards will be available soon.

You can't really guess which better between HD 4890 and GTX 275 based on the GDDR3/GDDR5 thing. Yes the HD 4890 uses GDDR5 which is a more advanced technology than the GDDR3 in the GTX 275. Still, that doesn't make the HD 4890 a much better card. It just means the HD 4890 consumes 30W less or whatever under load. (And not all of that is due to the GDDR5 either.) To actually decide between those cards you should read reviews. Here's a good one, for example:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3539&p=1

+1 for the Xigmatek. It will do the job nicely for less money.
 

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Sorry, I forgot to mention that besides the step-up program, EVGA has a lifetime warranty on there cards.

My main issue, 1) which would at least benefit FSX and 2) Seems like the 275 has better drivers and an updated drivers that anandtech was gleaming over. Ive owned a ATI card since the late 90's and never had a problem. I had a NVidia card that exploded. I read the article, seems like they are both on par. Im spinning my head, either the 275 or 4980 but I think it has the answer: 16x10 or 19x12 then the 4890 is the way to go. I can O/C the card myself but my track record isnt good in that department.

The three main cases Im checking out still are: CM, Thermaltake and the Cosmos.

Yeah, i was thinking of just a 1TB WD SATA II HDD. If 2 4890's doesn't benefit FSX then I would just stick with one and lower the PSU then.
 
Exploded??? Wow... I hope you made a video :) My 8800GTX was just BSODing, but the hardware itself was fine. The third time I updated drivers, about 6 months after I bought it, all the problems went away.

FSX doesn't really care that much about the video card. It's CPU-bound, and the i7 920 is just what the doctor ordered for it. A better video card may bring absolutely no improvements, or very small, since the CPU is the limiting factor.

The GTX 275 is not even available at Newegg yet. I'd be very suspicious of claims like "better drivers" or "updated drivers" for a card that hasn't even been made available to the public yet. Let it be out for a few months and tested by tens of thousands of gamers, then the bugs will be reported (and hopefully fixed). Same for the HD 4890, mind you. That one has barely had a week of real life testing, so it's in the same spot IMO.

Edit: for one HD 4890 you can get a 650TX or 750TX or a PC Power & Cooling 750W. That would leave plenty of room for overclocking and disks and so on.


 

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Yupp, I know the drama over the drivers. Seems like every other week, ATI has a new driver but I've never has any issues. Actually, I wonder if I am going to start getting issues since Im jumping onto Vista. Is the Vista Home Premium 64-bit for System builders the way to go or just get the retail Home edition?

OMG, don't remind me about the NVIdia card. I had my Alienware laptop for 1 1/2 years and kaboom! There tech service sucked and worse, it happened the day after the warranty expired. Alienware stopped manufacturing the unit and the company that they sent me to for used parts no longer fixes the Alienware laptop I had. No parts on ebay as well. It's almost been 4 years :(

PC Power and Cooling 750w?

So the overclocked video cards are a waist of money? I was looking at the Sapphire, Powercolor and XFX 4890 cards. The OC ones range from 20-40 bucks more. If they are easy to O/C then Im wondering which company makes it easy to O/C.

You and why-me made me get the measurements of the 4890 and check the cases mentioned above. The Apeiva that I was looking at didnt have enough room or it just had enough clearing.
 


The CM HAF in your link is the real deal. I posted it in this thread for $120.
 

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That's why I updated it :) Part of me wants one with a pullout mobo tray. I saw that the 935 has the PSU on the bottom; I thought thats not good.

I think I narrowed it down between the HAF 932 and the Thermaltake Armor Plus
 

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I saw that Auzentech has it's share of problems. Someone lost their whole system to not being good for gaming.
 


You might want to try onboard sound for now, and if it doesn't do the trick, then get a sound card. But onboard sound has come a long ways in the last few years.
 
Also plan to add another fan or 2
If you plan to do this, take a look at Yate Loon.

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813188039

I'm going to attempt to O/C for the first time!

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820145236

DVD-RW: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827106286

I don't watch movies on my system

Sound card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6829102019

HDD: 1) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136322

For Windows Vista and all component software/drivers
2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136284

All games!

Heatsink: Changed---->http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029

Thermal paste: IC Diamond 7 Carat- 1.5 grams

Changed---> Video card
Sapphire, XFX or Powercolor and either O/C'd or non O/C'd and do it yourself

Changed--->PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139002

Changed-----> Case: Choosing between these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] =5&bop=And
Looks good!
 


+1 - really easy to add a sound card later if you're not happy with onboard.
 


That's what I'm using myself, I got the red PC P&C 750W. It's just as good as the Corsair 750TX, some reviewers even say it's better. Lots of awards. Whatever you find at a better price. It also depends on the case you end up with - the PC P&C is a better fit if you want the hot air to blow to the back of the case (i.e. cases where the PSU is mounted at the bottom), while the Corsair is better if you want it to go up (i.e. with a case where the PSU goes at the top)

Overclocked cards are not necessarily a waste of money. If you buy a factory-overclocked card you are guaranteed that it will overclock. That is, it's already overclocked and you don't even have to do any adjusting and testing. You may even get a better cooler.

If you buy the standard version, it's a gamble. Odds don't favor you either, since the best overclockers may have been binned and sold as factory-overclocked and you get one of the others.

 

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Thanx Shadow!

I think I will place the order for my mobo now. I do agree with the onboard sound and I remember when onboard sound was a total mess lol. Will FSX go nutty with onboard sound? I know you said that the CPU is what FSX needs but will onboard sound take up resources?

I saw someone in a previous post recommened the Gskill DDR3-1600 for less than $100, would you get this one or the Corsair Dominator I put on my parts list? The Dominator is $150. Both have CL of 8 but the dominators are 8-8-8-24 while the Gskills are 8-8-8-21. I see the Dominators are rated very high but I read some reviews that there prices are too high to justify there usage.

So basically, the OC card is they way to go, since it's been done for you. I like these 2...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000380048%201305520549%201069633099%20106792627%201067947106&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16814131152%2CN82E16814102831

I have a Sapphire in my system now and it's been great. Never a problem. It coughed and hiccuped when I used the O/Cing tool and would always become unstable. So Im familiar with Sapphire. I read that Powecolor makes great products, but expensive ones. In this case, they are the same price although the PowerColor one is out of stock.


I was going through the PSU's and these are what i came up with that Im looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010320058%204802&CompareItemList=N82E16817139005%2CN82E16817171032%2CN82E16817341011%2CN82E16817153038%2CN82E16817139006&page=2&bop=And

I see the different things like modular, bronze, silver...Im guessing that the silver rated PSUs are better than bronze.


I see the PC P&C 750w was prone to DOA's. I'm gonna take a peak at the PC P&C's, Thermaltake, and Corsair.
 

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Got it :) I just bought it a few seconds ago with the EVGA mobo. The mobo had a $20 M-I-R and a combo deal with the GSKILL memory. The combo was $25. So I saved 45 bucks :) I also ordered it with the XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler which had a $5 instant savings on it.

The final headache is the Case and the video card lol. Still undecided over the Thermaltake Armor + (very nice all around) and the CM HAF932 (great inside but not eye candy on the outside and it doesn't have a slide in mobo tray) Video...to Nvidia or to ATI. I know SLI or Crossfire is overkill but at least Ill be prepared later on...I do plan on keeping this system for a while!

The video headache is what is holding me up with the PSU. If I dont go dual card then 650-750w (Thanx aevum) or dual card.....850-1000w. Plus instead of getting 2 hard drives, i think I will just get a VelociRaptor.