Question Upgrade advice

[phenomk90]

Helo everyone. I'm currently using 1080ti + ryzen 5 2600. Due to prices on graphics cards back to normal has been really tempting to upgrade. I've been looking at Ryzen 7 5700x + Rtx 3070 from Galax. The only reason that stops me from switching to intel because i'm quite lazy to setup everything all over again. Are both parts alright or if i should starting a whole new build? And since i'm using asrock b450m pro4 do i have to update each bios incrementally or simply skip to the latest bios before dropping in new cpu? Anyone's input is appreciated. Thanks.

My specs:
Ryzen 5 2600
Inno3d Gtx 1080 ti x2
2x8gb klevv bolt 3000mhz
Coolermaster 850w SM 80+silver psu
Crucial mx500 ssd
Fractal design arc mini r2
Asrock b450m pro4

 

[Lutfij]

Coolermaster 850w SM 80+silver psu
Coolermaster is the brand of the PSU while 850W/80+ silver are the advertised wattage and 80+ efficiency ratings, respectively. What is the model to your unit? How old is the PSU?

Asrock b450m pro4
I've been looking at Ryzen 7 5700x + Rtx 3070 from Galax.
You would need to make sure you have the latest BIOS version if you want to drop in a 5000 series processor while retaining the motherboard you have listed in your specs.

How are you cooling that processor at this moment of time?

 

[ohio_buckeye]

I’ve got the AsRock ab350 pro4, so the older version of your board I think, just full sized. Anyway they do have bridge bios versions so you will need to look at what bios you’ve got and then work up from there to the latest. You may very well have to flash 3-4 times. If it works the way my board went though once you get done you should be good to go.

The 5700x is a good call. I’ve got the 5800x and even with a 240mm aio it runs warm sometimes. As the poster above said, it’s worth looking at the cooling you’ve got. Even though it’s 65 watt cpu I think the 5700x can draw a bit more power under load.

Read to confirm but it appears if you have a bios older than 2.00 that you need to update to that first before you flash. It looks like the latest version is 5.70.

If your board does like my b350 did, they added smart access memory, aka resizable bar for the nvidia folks. But going from a 2600 to a 5700x will give a nice uptick in performance and the new gpu will help also. I’ve got a 6700xt in my pc which is close to the 3070, which I think is roughly a 2080ti in performance. Anyway point being you may check out the difference between your card and the 3070 to see if the gpu upgrade is enough. I’m actually looking at wanting to get a 6900xt for 1440p. The 6700xt and 3070 handle that resolution fine but I like faster.

 

[phenomk90]

Coolermaster 850w SM 80+silver psu
Coolermaster is the brand of the PSU while 850W/80+ silver are the advertised wattage and 80+ efficiency ratings, respectively. What is the model to your unit? How old is the PSU?

Asrock b450m pro4
I've been looking at Ryzen 7 5700x + Rtx 3070 from Galax.
You would need to make sure you have the latest BIOS version if you want to drop in a 5000 series processor while retaining the motherboard you have listed in your specs.

How are you cooling that processor at this moment of time?

Thk u for ur response.
My psu is this one

Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 850 W Review

The Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 850 W is a well priced mid-range PSU with enough juice to power a triple-GPU system. Besides that, it packs enough interesting features like silent operation, modular cables, 80 Plus Silver efficiency and five year warranty. All that is offered at a very good...

www.techpowerup.com

And regarding the bios i'm aware that i needed to update the MB bios in order to support 5700x.. It's just that after so long with so many revisions out there. Do i have to update each and every single bios available from bottom to up or i can direct skip all other revisions and simply flash the latest bios?

And i didn't use the stock cooler that came with 2600. I use this one.

Hyper 212 LED Turbo

Hyper 212 LED Turbo provides the best balance between airflow and static pressure to take the heat away. Four Direct Contact heat pipes with funnel shaped aluminum fins optimize cooling for optimal CPU performance. Moreover, the improved universal bracket design ensures easy and worry free...

www.coolermaster.com

 

[phenomk90]

I’ve got the AsRock ab350 pro4, so the older version of your board I think, just full sized. Anyway they do have bridge bios versions so you will need to look at what bios you’ve got and then work up from there to the latest. You may very well have to flash 3-4 times. If it works the way my board went though once you get done you should be good to go.

The 5700x is a good call. I’ve got the 5800x and even with a 240mm aio it runs warm sometimes. As the poster above said, it’s worth looking at the cooling you’ve got. Even though it’s 65 watt cpu I think the 5700x can draw a bit more power under load.

Read to confirm but it appears if you have a bios older than 2.00 that you need to update to that first before you flash. It looks like the latest version is 5.70.

If your board does like my b350 did, they added smart access memory, aka resizable bar for the nvidia folks. But going from a 2600 to a 5700x will give a nice uptick in performance and the new gpu will help also. I’ve got a 6700xt in my pc which is close to the 3070, which I think is roughly a 2080ti in performance. Anyway point being you may check out the difference between your card and the 3070 to see if the gpu upgrade is enough. I’m actually looking at wanting to get a 6900xt for 1440p. The 6700xt and 3070 handle that resolution fine but I like faster.

Thk u for ur response.
After i take a look at their website. Apart from their latest beta bios. The last old bios 3.50 that mentioned the necessary to upgrade to 2.00 before upgrading to 3.50. After 3.50 there are total of 8 revisions before reaching 5.30 and it didn't mentioned anything. Does that mean i can straightly jump from 3.50 to 5.30? And most of the newer descriptions of later revisions also mentioned that Asrock do not recommend to update the bios if pinnacle ridge cpu is used. Then i wonder how am i supposed to flash bios then before installing new cpu? 🥹

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450M Pro4/index.asp#BIOS


Regarding the gpu most of the reviewers stated that the 3070 is almost as fast as 2080ti.. So around 20 something percent faster. Not sure if it's gonna worth it. The thing that makes me wanna buy 3000 series gpu is because of the insanely high starting price of 4080. $1200 freaking dollars so l think 4070 will cost much more than $600 when it launches. Not gonna consider at all unless it can run faster than 3080.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

On the bios, if you look, I think in a heading just above the beta bios there’s a 5.70 version that isn’t beta.

I feel where you are coming from on the gpu. Nvidia seems to be out to milk their customers for all they can get. It does appear if you are on eBay that the 1080ti still sells for a bit over 200. I’ve got an amd rx 6700xt, but I’m considering if I get Christmas money to sell the 6700xt and pick up a 6900xt. Those can be found around 700. Which isn’t cheap but things I’ve seen shows it in the neighborhood of a 3090. But the 3090 does ray tracing better of course.

 

[phenomk90]

On the bios, if you look, I think in a heading just above the beta bios there’s a 5.70 version that isn’t beta.

I feel where you are coming from on the gpu. Nvidia seems to be out to milk their customers for all they can get. It does appear if you are on eBay that the 1080ti still sells for a bit over 200. I’ve got an amd rx 6700xt, but I’m considering if I get Christmas money to sell the 6700xt and pick up a 6900xt. Those can be found around 700. Which isn’t cheap but things I’ve seen shows it in the neighborhood of a 3090. But the 3090 does ray tracing better of course.

My bad.. Just found the 5.70 in just small bracket above the beta. 😂 It seems like there's no way back considering how nvidia are pricing their latest gpu.. And most people are willing to buy no matter how expensive it is. Unfortunately in my place the RX 6900XT sells around US$100 more expensive than RTX 3080 despite being slower. Definitely no go for all amd build. 😂

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Looks competitive to me, although money talks.

 

[phenomk90]

Looks competitive to me, although money talks.

I'm looking at another possibility of i5 12400+B660 combo seems like attractive proposition too at slightly more cost than simply upgrading to 5700x and now i wonder if i going intel would be better in the long run? I have no idea if i can continue to use my current ram if i going intel.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

I think depending on the board you can use ddr4. Keep in mind LGA 1700 will be a dead end after 13th gen. If going Intel though you may wait a month or two as I think cpus like the 13400 and b760 boards may drop.

Edit: another thought is that you could go with something for your current setup like a 5600x, sell your current cpu and gpu, then look into something like an rtx 3080 or rx 6800 xt or higher.

 

[Ar558]

I'm looking at another possibility of i5 12400+B660 combo seems like attractive proposition too at slightly more cost than simply upgrading to 5700x and now i wonder if i going intel would be better in the long run? I have no idea if i can continue to use my current ram if i going intel.

I think that would give you another possible upgrade to a 13 series intel in a couple of years. The jump from a 12400 to a 13600 or even 13700 would be significant and would way cheaper than going AM5 even if DDR5 reaches DDR4 prices by 2024.

 

[phenomk90]

I think depending on the board you can use ddr4. Keep in mind LGA 1700 will be a dead end after 13th gen. If going Intel though you may wait a month or two as I think cpus like the 13400 and b760 boards may drop.

Edit: another thought is that you could go with something for your current setup like a 5600x, sell your current cpu and gpu, then look into something like an rtx 3080 or rx 6800 xt or higher.

I see. And yeah i've been looking at 3080 too just unfortunately due to the older design of my casing i couldn't fit gpu longer than 10.5" otherwise i have to ditch my hdd and also both of my 3.5" cages just to fit longer gpu. As far as i know there are not a single 3080 model released that are shorter than 290mm... Unless i prepared to go all in ssd setup which will add more cost. So you mean LGA 1700 socket will only support maximum 2 generations of cpu?

 

[phenomk90]

I think that would give you another possible upgrade to a 13 series intel in a couple of years. The jump from a 12400 to a 13600 or even 13700 would be significant and would way cheaper than going AM5 even if DDR5 reaches DDR4 prices by 2024.

I see... I would like to keep my setup after upgrade for another 4 to 5 years before starting over a whole new build. If intel put E cores into 13400 then it's gonna be huge win over AMD i think.

 

[Ar558]

What Games do you play and at what res? If you are only at 1080p then a 3080/6800 is a waste.

Yeh it's pretty certain that 14th Gen will have a new socket.

 

[Ar558]

I see... I would like to keep my setup after upgrade for another 4 to 5 years before starting over a whole new build. If intel put E cores into 13400 then it's gonna be huge win over AMD i think.

Given that going 12th Gen seems sensible cause the will be a big second hand market of 13th Gen CPUs in 2024-2025 from you to pick from to keep you going.

 

[phenomk90]

What Games do you play and at what res? If you are only at 1080p then a 3080/6800 is a waste.

Yeh it's pretty certain that 14th Gen will have a new socket.

Damn. Intel as always. And yeah i only game at 1080p so definitely doesn't need 3080😂

 

[phenomk90]

Given that going 12th Gen seems sensible cause the will be a big second hand market of 13th Gen CPUs in 2024-2025 from you to pick from to keep you going.

So now choices are between 5700x.. 5800x3d.. And 12400/13400 but need to wait some more on 13th gen non k part.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

From what I’ve seen in some cases the 5800x3d is competitive to some of the newer cpus in gaming, depending on the game. If you think you’ll keep it a while then you can go that route. But a 5700x would likely tide you over and let you run a good gpu until you can rebuild at some point. But you already have the 1080ti. I’d almost consider say get the 5700x now, sell your existing cpu, sell the 1080ti for 250 or more, then use the proceeds for the best gpu you can afford.

 

[phenomk90]

From what I’ve seen in some cases the 5800x3d is competitive to some of the newer cpus in gaming, depending on the game. If you think you’ll keep it a while then you can go that route. But a 5700x would likely tide you over and let you run a good gpu until you can rebuild at some point. But you already have the 1080ti. I’d almost consider say get the 5700x now, sell your existing cpu, sell the 1080ti for 250 or more, then use the proceeds for the best gpu you can afford.

I found a deal from a local seller but it is a dell oem rtx 3080 ti selling for about 530 US dollar. Not sure if i shud go for it.... 😅

 

[ohio_buckeye]

If it’s in good working condition that’s practically a steal. I recently got a plain 3080 and paid 600 for that. On eBay at the time, just in the last month or so, the price of the 3080ti was over 700 dollars. From what I read, the 3080ti is pretty close to a 3090 and actually uses the same chip, but basically just has 12gb vram vs 24. If it’s a known God working card and they have a return policy I say snag it and I imagine it should last a couple of years or so anyway.

 

[phenomk90]

If it’s in good working condition that’s practically a steal. I recently got a plain 3080 and paid 600 for that. On eBay at the time, just in the last month or so, the price of the 3080ti was over 700 dollars. From what I read, the 3080ti is pretty close to a 3090 and actually uses the same chip, but basically just has 12gb vram vs 24. If it’s a known God working card and they have a return policy I say snag it and I imagine it should last a couple of years or so anyway.

The seller only offered 1 year warranty so i'm pretty sure it's not a new unit. I just wonder where the hell did they managed to pull that much oem card to sell.. 😂 And 1 more thing.. The seller is like 2 and a half hours flight away from my place so not gonna be able to see it in person... 😅

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Maybe they can mail it to you? You may pay more but if I buy used I prefer eBay since they have buyer protection. It looks like the cheapest 3080ti cards are about 750 on there.

As to where they got the cards, during mining there were quite a few new PCs for sale if I recall that had the gpus pulled from them and cheaper gpus put in. For $530 bucks what likely happened is they bought systems, yanked the cards probably to mine with, then resold the systems to recoup part of their investment, and now that mining is not as profitable are probably selling the cards for what they can get.

 

[phenomk90]

Maybe they can mail it to you? You may pay more but if I buy used I prefer eBay since they have buyer protection. It looks like the cheapest 3080ti cards are about 750 on there.

As to where they got the cards, during mining there were quite a few new PCs for sale if I recall that had the gpus pulled from them and cheaper gpus put in. For $530 bucks what likely happened is they bought systems, yanked the cards probably to mine with, then resold the systems to recoup part of their investment, and now that mining is not as profitable are probably selling the cards for what they can get.

And i found another 3080 10gb from the same seller for about 432 Us Dollar... Maybe i shud go for this instead of 3080 ti?

 

[ohio_buckeye]

The 3080 ti sounds like a good deal and is the stronger card. I don’t know the seller though and if they are a known company or if they are selling on eBay etc. So it comes down to your comfort level. Both are very good prices. The 3080 is a good card, but between those 2 prices I’d try for the ti especially given the fact that new cards are coming out. Maybe that 3080ti is close to say a 4070 in performance vs the 3080 may be closer to a 4060 or 4060ti. Just speculating though. But with those being an outgoing generation you probably want the strongest card you can afford if you plan to keep it a while. Just make sure you’ve got a power supply that can handle it.

Keep in mind they were likely mining cards so be sure to test and make sure all is in working order. But as I said, in my opinion if you are buying used, eBay is probably a safer bet compared to marketplace or a local paper etc.

 

[phenomk90]

The 3080 ti sounds like a good deal and is the stronger card. I don’t know the seller though and if they are a known company or if they are selling on eBay etc. So it comes down to your comfort level. Both are very good prices. The 3080 is a good card, but between those 2 prices I’d try for the ti especially given the fact that new cards are coming out. Maybe that 3080ti is close to say a 4070 in performance vs the 3080 may be closer to a 4060 or 4060ti. Just speculating though. But with those being an outgoing generation you probably want the strongest card you can afford if you plan to keep it a while. Just make sure you’ve got a power supply that can handle it.

Keep in mind they were likely mining cards so be sure to test and make sure all is in working order. But as I said, in my opinion if you are buying used, eBay is probably a safer bet compared to marketplace or a local paper etc.

I see... The reason i was sceptical about going all in with the 3080 ti is because i never buy any used gpu let alone those from oem like dell. With rumors that 4070 ti will launch at starting price of 799 Us dollars by the time it reach my shores at least it's going to be 50-100 dollar markup. With 3080 i can probably spend the least while getting considerable performance upgrade over my 1080 ti. Even if it getting fried within 2 to 3 years since it is an unknown quantity over these oem card longevity at least i wouldn't be wasting too much money.