Question Upgrade a 4060 Ti and and a Core i7-1440 to what ?

[pnico]

hi there!
I just purchased a unti from best buy. Its an asus. Im coming from an amd ryzen 1500x I think with a geforce 2070 graphics card to a intel core i7 1400 geforce 4060ti.
System ram is 32 gig. 1 TB of hard drive space.
Im using my a little older samsung 51 inch qled monitor for full 1080p gaming. What a difference, then again my older system had to be 5 year old. FPS in the latest call of duty is insanely fast at ultra high detail.
If I were to make this one a little sweeter what would I do?

Is there an obvious difference in 4k gaming vs just full hd to the nake d eye?

Processor seems like its among the better ones from intel and the gpu also seems like is among the betters ones but not the flahship..
or Do I want a year and upgrade?

Thanks in advance. Been out of the loop for a bit so im trying to catch up now here and there...

 

[Aeacus]

Is there an obvious difference in 4k gaming vs just full hd to the nake d eye?

Depends on how big the screen is and how far you are from it. Also depends on how good of an eyesight you have.

But overall, higher resolution makes images look more detailed (since pixel density increases). Less jagged/pixelated lines (less blurriness on finer details).
Downside is that FPS drops considerably (since GPU has to render FAR more pixels).

So, if you want to have high FPS with smooth movements, stick to 1080p.
But if you don't care about FPS and can manage with 40 FPS, while wanting to have more detailed image, you could go with 4K. (~40 FPS is what RTX 4060 Ti can push on 4K).

 

[pnico]

thanks for the reply! well I have a lazy eye. LEft eye is. Right is the stronger one. Im 46 so eyes arent wonderful.. theyre healthy per my recent doctors visit but I likely won't notice the additional detail. Im stunned at the detail now with a full hd 1080p and max detail..
processor is ok? over all nice system?

 

[Aeacus]

processor is ok? over all nice system?

I'm more interested in your PSU than other components.
Speaking of the PSU: PSU make and model (or part number) is? Also, how old the PSU is, and was the PSU bought new or used/refurbished?

intel core i7 1400

No such CPU exists.

Your chip could be i7-14700K.
But there is Ryzen 5 1400 CPU out there though.

 

[pnico]

my mistake the core iy 1400f

750W power supply (80+ Gold, peak 800W)
this is the pc right here.. except its the 1400f

ROG Strix G16CHR｜Gaming laptops｜ROG Baltics

ROG Strix G16CHR powered by up to an Intel® Core™ i7-14700KF and up to an NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4080 GPU, with a new airflow focused front panel that allows for either air cooling or liquid cooling.

rog.asus.com

 

[Aeacus]

core iy 1400f

Again, no such CPU exists.

"1400" would indicate Intel 1st generation Core series (Nephalem architecture), but the CPU numbering on 1st generation didn't consist of 4 numbers, instead only 3 numbers.
And Intel didn't start using F-suffix until 9th generation (Coffee Lake refresh architecture).

Point is, you have to be exact and punctual when you're giving out hardware specifications.

E.g, the CPU what i have, is: i5-6600K (6th gen, Skylake architecture).
If i were to mistype it to e.g "i5-660", it means completely another CPU (1st gen, Clarkdale architecture).

Intel 14th gen F-suffix CPUs are:
i3-14100F
i5-14400F
i5-14490F
i7-14700F
i7-14790F
i9-14900F

So, which of the 6x CPUs it is? Since knowing exactly the CPU would allow me to tell how well it fits when paired with RTX 4060 Ti. But without knowing exactly what you have, there is huge difference between i3-14100F and i9-14900F.

750W power supply (80+ Gold, peak 800W)

Yeah.... as expected.

Thing with prebuilt PCs is, that PSU is often cheaped out in them, to save money. And most people care little, if any, about the PSU in their PC. All that they may care about is wattage rating and that's it.

Thing is, since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC.
And you'd never want to cheap out on PSU. The lower the PSU's build quality is - the higher the change of PSU going "boom", releasing magic smoke and frying everything it is connected to (aka your whole PC).

With prebuilt PCs, it is easy to tell when PSU in them is cheaped out and isn't a good quality unit. Namely, only wattage rating is listed.
Since when PSU would be good/great quality unit, like Seasonic PRIME TX-650 (80+ Titanium) or Corsair AXi-1600 (80+ Titanium) or Super Flower Leadex VII XG 850W (80+ Gold), the PSUs name would be listed there fully as well.
Since it would be another selling point. Just like CPU, GPU and OS are, which are listed in great detail.

In same sense, if prebuilt PC makers would use the same ruse with other components, PC specs would look like so:
CPU - 8 cores
RAM - 16 GB
GPU - 8 GB VRAM
MoBo - 600-series
PSU - 750W

Would you buy the PC when all the specs are listed as i just did?
If not, then why not?


Btw, the PC you have, PSU isn't the only unknown component. So are SSD, HDD, RAM and even CPU cooler. No make or model of those are listed. But since PSU is the most important component inside the PC, i'm only caring about what PSU you have. Having cheap SSD/HDD or RAM will not kill your PC. But having cheap PSU will.


To know what PSU you exactly have, only option is to open up the back panel of the PC case, unscrew the PSU from PC case and pull it out enough, so that you can see the label on the PSU. Take a pic of the PSU label (where all kinds of watts and amps are seen) and upload it to the net. E.g www.imgur.com and share the pic here.

Until it isn't confirmed what PSU you have, PSU is considered crap quality (aka guilty until proven innocent). Crap quality PSUs are ticking time bombs and can blow up at any given moment.

Edit:
To showcase you reputable prebuilt PC brand, here's Starforge and for this example, i took one of their random prebuilts, Naviagtor Pro,
specs: https://starforgesystems.com/products/navigator-pro

If you look at the specs, almost immediately you can see that: "Power Supply - MSI MPG A750GL PCIe 5".
Like i said, when PSU is good, there's no point in hiding what PSU the PC has.

 

[pnico]

I'll check these parts and let you know... ram ssd psu.. makes sense

 

[pnico]

ram is samsung
cpu is a i7 14700f
power supply is https://rog.asus.com/us/power-supply-units/rog-strix/rog-strix-750g-aura-gaming-model/spec/

will post the ssd tomorow or thursday.

 

[QyInvoLing]

No, this cpu is completely not worth buying.

 

[Aeacus]

power supply is https://rog.asus.com/us/power-supply-units/rog-strix/rog-strix-750g-aura-gaming-model/spec/

Review of your PSU: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-rog-strix-750w-power-supply-review

Good unit, but overpriced.
Also, review is of the regular unit, while you have Aura Edition. Meaning that PSU RGB can be controlled via Aura software, but otherwise, the two PSUs should be same internally.

ram is samsung

This tell little since Samsung is one of the biggest RAM OEMs.

Download and run HWinfo64,
link: https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

It will tell you plethora of into about your whole system, down to the PSU rail voltages. Only thing it can't tell, is PSU make and model. But that you've already told us.

 

[Aeacus]

No, this cpu is completely not worth buying.

Any particular reason as of why? 🙄

 

[QyInvoLing]

Any particular reason as of why? 🙄

13/14th k-ended i5/all i7/all i9 have the instability issue. Besides, its SA voltage is limited, which banned memory from overclocking above ddr4 3200mt/ddr5 5800mt.

 

[helper800]

13/14th k-ended i5/all i7/all i9 have the instability issue. Besides, its SA voltage is limited, which banned memory from overclocking above ddr4 3200mt/ddr5 5800mt.

That is incorrect. Stability issues have been solved and warranties extended to 5 years. You can still very easily get 7200+ mt/s RAM running on all of the mentioned CPUs.

 

[QyInvoLing]

That is incorrect. Stability issues have been solved and warranties extended to 5 years. You can still very easily get 7200+ mt/s RAM running on all of the mentioned CPUs.

OK，14th non-k i7/i9 has no limit on SA voltage after Jan 2024, but I doubt the stability issue and the warranty.
In my region, Intel is shameful for requiring "fapiao" for only boxed CPU's warranty, which means if you didn't/forgot to require 'fapiao' from the shop you buy it, you'll lose warranty. Not all sellers provide "fapiao", only big sellers can offer that.

Just a year ago, we can all send a broken boxed/oem non-boxed CPU for RMA without "fapiao". Intel may tighten the warranty policy in other areas too.

 

[Aeacus]

but I doubt the stability issue and the warranty.

Intel 13th gen and 14th gen CPU stability issues have been fixed by Intel,
article: https://www.techradar.com/computing...ly-fixed-but-some-owners-may-still-be-worried

In my region, Intel is shameful for requiring "fapiao" for only boxed CPU's warranty, which means if you didn't/forgot to require 'fapiao' from the shop you buy it, you'll lose warranty. Not all sellers provide "fapiao", only big sellers can offer that.

So, you're from China. 🙄 Since "fapiao" is Chinese word for "official invoice".

I guess China is still truly a 3rd world country. 🤔 Since in the rest of the world, (e.g European Union, where i live), the official invoice is mandatory to be issued regardless what you buy. Be it €1 parking ticket to park for a 30mins, be it €2 cup of coffee from coffee shop, be it €500 GPU or be it even €20.000 car - every single shop has to give you proof of purchase (aka official invoice). This is the law here.
Some such invoices are printed on small papers and are called "purchase receipts". While other invoices are printed on the full blown A4 page, listing all the details of the seller, purchased item and price. And when you buy online, all online retailers will send you digital invoice.
Since without proof of purchase, how can you even RMA stuff? Without invoice, you can't prove that you bought the item and you, yourself, are eligible for the warranty.

So, when you don't get an official invoice when you buy your stuff, blame your government over this.

Just a year ago, we can all send a broken boxed/oem non-boxed CPU for RMA without "fapiao". Intel may tighten the warranty policy in other areas too.

Looks like Intel is doing the right thing. Since thus far, you could've bought lots of broken CPUs from other people and send them all to Intel, to receive working CPUs in return, without ever proving that you bought the working CPUs. That's called scamming.
But when official invoice is requested, to prove the purchase - the scam falls apart.

 

[QyInvoLing]

Intel 13th gen and 14th gen CPU stability issues have been fixed by Intel,
article: https://www.techradar.com/computing...ly-fixed-but-some-owners-may-still-be-worried

You are right 😉
I recently got a brand new boxed 14600kf for 170$ directly from Intel's biggest local retailer with fapiao&receipt(it's not equal to fapiao), I hope that Intel do fixed the problem through bios update, as 9700x is now 270$ from the same retailer.
Fapiao doesn't equal to invoice/receipt, It's originally a blank template provided and signed by the gov, and the shop add info onto it. It's illegal not providing fapiao when customer asked, I don't have any will to defend it, but the common scene is, we don't require fapiao in most daily purchases, as signing fapiao's process is far more complex than giving receipts. Though it's illegal, the shop cannot avoid taxes by simply reducing the amount of fapiao it signed out. Tax bureau will check receipts instead.
Most retailers doesn't offer fapiao(but they offer receipt). I don't have any will to defend it, it's definitely illegal, and the same as buying broken cpu and send it to Intel.

Since thus far, you could've bought lots of broken CPUs from other people and send them all to Intel, to receive working CPUs in return, without ever proving that you bought the working CPUs. That's called scamming.

It's common of companies providing "personal insurance" in China, which means once you provide a non-ma nual broken product with true serial number(the date it been produced is often recorded on it), you'll get warranty. There's a downgraded "personal insurance", which needs not only SN but also a "buying proof". For these downgraded "personal insurance", providing receipt is enough, and provide fapiao is fine.
Intel requires "buying proof", a year ago it allows providing only receipt but now it requires fapiao, and it's fine&legal for intel to do that.

Meanwhile, I'm wondering if there any warranty policy provided by PC components manufacturer similar to "personal insurance" outside China? Most of the manufacturers provides that in China, including ASUS/GIGA/MSI, ASRock Biostar Maxsun Sapphire and so on...

 

[Aeacus]

Fapiao doesn't equal to invoice/receipt, It's originally a blank template provided and signed by the gov, and the shop add info onto it.

I don't quite get it why there must be government issued certificate to be eligible for a warranty? Does government decides for you, when you can have warranty (fapiao) and when not? Or is government providing warranty for you?

When to think about it, when product manufacture and RMA centers are all located in the same country, i guess government can decide to whom give a warranty and to whom not. Especially when the company that produces it, is government owned (or puppet for government).
This reminds me the USSR days of old Soviet Union. There, you also had to get government issued certificate to buy certain items (e.g car or private home/house or apartment). At some point, there were even food stamps to buy certain amount and article of groceries (e.g stamp to buy 2kg of sugar or 500g of sausages).

Meanwhile, I'm wondering if there any warranty policy provided by PC components manufacturer similar to "personal insurance" outside China?

No such thing as "personal insurance" exists in the outside world. I already described how the warranty system works, where proof of purchase (aka invoice) is mandatory.

Outside world is mostly Democracy and Free Market, vastly different what is going on in China.
Closest to "personal insurance" would be extended warranty that some manufactures offer. E.g when i'd buy MSI MoBo, the EU law grants me 2 year warranty, when proven by invoice. Now, if i were to register my MoBo on MSI website (entering the serial number of the MoBo), i get 1 extra year of warranty for my MoBo, provided by MSI, to a total of 3 years. Without registration, i'd have 2 years of warranty. This is closest one can get, for "personal insurance". But you have to register the purchase with the manufacturer + provide invoice as well, that it was you, who bought that hardware (since invoice also contains the date of purchase, where warranty period begins at).

But now i stop here, since this talk is off-topic and derailing initial topic.