upgrade really worth it?

[supermanz0728]

so guys im back with another issue and couple of questions i need some expertise. My rig currently
FX 8320 clocked at 3.4
Asus r9 280X 3gb stock clock
8gb patriot ram 1866mhz
Asus evo MOBO
Thermaltake 750 psu
Windows 10
Ben q 24inch 180p

My issue is that i feel im getting lower FPS than i should with this build. Im currently playing Swtor and getting 30-60 fps on high to ultra which i feel i should be at least 60+ at 180p. I have Just Cause 3 and Far cry 4 getting around 40 fps on very high.So my questions are should i upgrade my GPU looking at maybe a r9 390, and if so is getting the FX 9590 worth upgrading to with what i already have. Second is if im going to rebuild is changing over to intel worth it. All i do is play games, i dont stream or content create anything just straight game. thanks guys i appreciate the advice

 

[Kevern_11]

All the 9590 Is Is A Heavily Overclocked 8350. That Graphics Card Also Is Just Fine For Games. Id Recommend Upgrading To An Intel Processor And Mobo As They Usually Perform Better In Games. An I5-4690k Would Be A Good Upgrade For You And Will Help Your FPS Since FX Chips Don't Usually Do Well In Games.

 

[Dunlop0078]

The 9590 is an overpriced monstrosity of a cpu that I would never recommend to anyone, its just a heavily overcloked version of your 8320 with a higher tdp they are the same exact cpu underneath. If you want more performance out of your cpu overclock it. But that wont get you much many newer games seem to really get bogged down by amd cpu's fallout 4 for example runs pretty bad on amd cpu's, I will link some benchmarks below. I would recommend you switch to intel before you spend any more money on that amd platform, thats what im doing.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2182-fallout-4-cpu-benchmark-huge-performance-difference

 

[logainofhades]

Keep in mind, that game is an MMO, and in heavily populated areas, you will experience FPS drops. For example, I play WoW, with a 3570k and a GTX 770. I drop pretty low in certain situations, that I don't experience elsewhere. In 40 man plus situations, in outside areas, I can hit teens to low 20's easily.

 

[maddogfargo]

Keep in mind, that game is an MMO, and in heavily populated areas, you will experience FPS drops. For example, I play WoW, with a 3570k and a GTX 770. I drop pretty low in certain situations, that I don't experience elsewhere. In 40 man plus situations, in outside areas, I can hit teens to low 20's easily.

Logain is correct. It's not really your hardware.

Most of the time in an MMO with large areas and heavy populations, culling and hardware selection can only help so much. You're going to get frame drops. AMD or Intel, it doesn't matter. They are within single digits of each other in gaming. During heavy events in GW2 I'm running right up there with the i7 guys on their OC'd machines, everyone within 2-3 FPS of each other through the whole event, usually in the 25-35 FPS range. Everytime someone at the event claims 60-90 FPS, they have had their details turned way down.

Here's an example of what to expect...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opXzfuoJkpg

Also, I would not recommend a 9590 unless 3 criteria are met:

1) It's on sale for near 8350 prices. I got mine for $220
2) You have a high end 990FX motherboard with at least 8+2 phase power circuit
3) You have high end cooling for your CPU AND VRMs

 

[supermanz0728]

so what im gathering is switching to like the 4690k and a new mobo i should be good with the GPU i have to play those games at 1080?

 

[Dunlop0078]

so what im gathering is switching to like the 4690k and a new mobo i should be good with the GPU i have to play those games at 1080?

Yeah thats what I would do. The 280x is still a very capable card for 1080p.

 

[Poprin]

so what im gathering is switching to like the 4690k and a new mobo i should be good with the GPU i have to play those games at 1080?

Overclocking is free and you are running at stock, basically I always aim for about 4ghz without turbo with any FX chip. It seems to be the sweet spot between power and performance.

Why not try that and see what happens... it's costs nothing to try.

 

[logainofhades]

You are probably need both CPU and GPU, if you are shooting for consistent 60+ fps for those non MMO titles.

 

[Poprin]

Yeah thats what I would do. The 280x is still a very capable card for 1080p.

Also I would say, I used to run a 280x and they run so hot they lose a lot of performance from thermal throttling without a really well cooled chassis. Up to about 80c they are ok but if they hit 85c they start to throttle off and if they get to 90c they really start to loose performance.

I had to change my compact Lian Li to a Corsair 230T with 3x140mm and 2x120mm fans to keep my card below 80c.

 

[Dunlop0078]

so what im gathering is switching to like the 4690k and a new mobo i should be good with the GPU i have to play those games at 1080?

Overclocking is free and you are running at stock, basically I always aim for about 4ghz without turbo with any FX chip. It seems to be the sweet spot between power and performance.

Why not try that and see what happens... it's costs nothing to try.

The 8320 turbos to 4.0ghz on its own i doubt overcloking to 4.0ghz would do anything for performance you would just force it to run at its turbo speed constantly. I would say 4.4 to 4.6ghz is the sweet spot for fx cpus most that i have seen with a decent cooler can hit those speeds easily.

 

[Dunlop0078]

Yeah thats what I would do. The 280x is still a very capable card for 1080p.

Also I would say, I used to run a 280x and they run so hot they lose a lot of performance from thermal throttling without a really well cooled chassis. Up to about 80c they are ok but if they hit 85c they start to throttle off and if they get to 90c they really start to loose performance.

I had to change my compact Lian Li to a Corsair 230T with 3x140mm and 2x120mm fans to keep my card below 80c.

Just make a custom fan profile in msi afterburner the stock profiles on most cards are usually optimized for silence not cooling, im sure i could keep a 280x well under 80c.

 

[Poprin]

The 8320 turbos to 4.0ghz on its own i doubt overcloking to 4.0ghz would do anything for performance you would just force it to run at its turbo speed constantly. I would say 4.4 to 4.6ghz is the sweet spot for fx cpus most that i have seen with a decent cooler can hit those speeds easily.

A tweaked configuration will always perform better than allowing the hardware to boost the P states. Also if you overclock the CPU to 4ghz without turbo that's all 8 cores @4ghz. The turbo multiplier does not clock all 8 cores up to 4ghz, if memory serves on the 8320 is boosts 8x cores to 3.7ghz where thermals allow and then 4x cores or less depending on thermals up to 4ghz.

So it is actually a measurable difference if you benchmark and test it, also I have found FX CPU's >4ghz really start sucking juice without a significant increase in performance... except maybe in artificial tests.

 

[Dunlop0078]

Keep in mind, that game is an MMO, and in heavily populated areas, you will experience FPS drops. For example, I play WoW, with a 3570k and a GTX 770. I drop pretty low in certain situations, that I don't experience elsewhere. In 40 man plus situations, in outside areas, I can hit teens to low 20's easily.

Not really unless you must play totally maxed out with msaa and other performance hevy features. And even still below is a benchmark of far cry 4 at 1920x1200 on ultra totally maxed its gets on average 63fps: http://www.techspot.com/review/917-far-cry-4-benchmarks/page3.html

Just cause 3 fares worse maxxed out but so do other powerful gpu's i dont think just cause 3 is very well optimied but on high settings it still does okay with a 60fps average about: http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2213-just-cause-3-gpu-fps-benchmark-anomalous-performance

 

[Dunlop0078]

The 8320 turbos to 4.0ghz on its own i doubt overcloking to 4.0ghz would do anything for performance you would just force it to run at its turbo speed constantly. I would say 4.4 to 4.6ghz is the sweet spot for fx cpus most that i have seen with a decent cooler can hit those speeds easily.

A tweaked configuration will always perform better than allowing the hardware to boost the P states. Also if you overclock the CPU to 4ghz without turbo that's all 8 cores @4ghz. The turbo multiplier does not clock all 8 cores up to 4ghz, if memory serves on the 8320 is boosts 8x cores to 3.7ghz where thermals allow and then 4x cores or less depending on thermals up to 4ghz.

So it is actually a measurable difference if you benchmark and test it, also I have found FX CPU's >4ghz really start sucking juice without a significant increase in performance... except maybe in artificial tests.

I'll have to test that. My 6350 will hit 4.7ghz at 1.45v and 4.4ghz at stock voltage so not really so much for me. If your power supply can handle it I would just let it suck the power as long as your not running it under full load constantly you wont notice much of a difference in your power bill each month maybe a dollar or two with an average electricity rate. I want to suck every bit of performance out this cpu that i can, i would agree that in most games you may not notice a difference from say 4.0ghz to 4.5ghz but in fallout 4 for example where my cpu manages to bottleneck my 760 believe it or not going from 4.0ghz to 4.5 or higher makes quite a bit of difference

 

[Poprin]

I'll have to test that. My 6350 will hit 4.7ghz at 1.45v and 4.4ghz at stock voltage so not really so much for me. If your power supply can handle it I would just let it suck the power as long as your not running it under full load constantly you wont notice much of a difference in your power bill each month maybe a dollar or two with an average electricity rate. I want to suck every bit of performance out this cpu that i can, i would agree that in most games you may not notice a difference from say 4.0ghz to 4.5ghz but in fallout 4 for example where my cpu manages to bottleneck my 760 believe it or not going from 4.0ghz to 4.5 or higher makes quite a bit of difference

It depends, I'm a bit of a sad git really and I probably spend more time messing with machine than playing games or using them. I have a plug in energy monitor at home that I use when (I don't like to say overclock... optimise?) machines and I like to strike a bit of a balance between the benefits on screen and the wattage at the plug. At the end of the day each bit of silicon and each motherboard and combination is different.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Overclock it. I've got an FX 8120 that came stock at 3.1ghz. I have it clocked at 4ghz, and it feels like it's got more room left yet as I'm running it at stock voltage. That was a decent gain. Overclock and see if you can't get some speed out of it. Better to try the free stuff before spending more. My 8120 plays everything I want at high/ultra settings for the most part. Push the multiplier up in the bios and see how far it goes.

 

[supermanz0728]

wow guys thanks for all the info, im going to look at maybe doing a clean install of windows to see if it helps, i feel that my Kingston v300 ssd had some issues early on with windows 8. I figured a good clean install for games and OS couldnt hurt either because im sure if windows isnt running right it can affect performance overall

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Like I said, nudge it for some overclocking as well. You have an unlocked multiplier. Might as well get some free performance.

 

[logainofhades]

Keep in mind, that game is an MMO, and in heavily populated areas, you will experience FPS drops. For example, I play WoW, with a 3570k and a GTX 770. I drop pretty low in certain situations, that I don't experience elsewhere. In 40 man plus situations, in outside areas, I can hit teens to low 20's easily.

Not really unless you must play totally maxed out with msaa and other performance hevy features. And even still below is a benchmark of far cry 4 at 1920x1200 on ultra totally maxed its gets on average 63fps: http://www.techspot.com/review/917-far-cry-4-benchmarks/page3.html

Just cause 3 fares worse maxxed out but so do other powerful gpu's i dont think just cause 3 is very well optimied but on high settings it still does okay with a 60fps average about: http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2213-just-cause-3-gpu-fps-benchmark-anomalous-performance

My comments were directed at SWTOR, which is an MMO. 😉 MMO's can run like crap on even the highest end of rigs, in heavily populated situations.