Upgrade - Ryzen or 8th Gen Intel

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Here is my issue. I am in the process of upgrading my PC and have hit a point where I don’t know which way to go. Below is my current build:



Core i5 760 (OC @ 3.9ghz) – stock cooler

GA P55 USB3 mobo

16GB (2x8) Hyper X DDR3 1666

CX600M PSU

EVGA GTX 1080 SC (new upgrade)

WD Blue 1TB HDD (1-2 year old upgrade)

Samsung EVO 850 SSD 500GB (new upgrade – no SATA 3 so in box)



Here are the next 3 options I have been looking at:





(good upgrade possibility with AM4 through 2020+)- $498

Ryzen 5 1600

GA-AB350-Gaming 3

16GB (2x8) Corsair Vengance LPX DDR4 3200



No OC - $606

Core i7 8700

ASRock Z370 Pro4

16GB (2x8)Corsair Vengance LPX DDR4 2666



Shoot for the moon - $780

Core i7 8700k

ASUS ROG Strix Z370-H

16GB (2x8) G Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4 3200

Hyper 212 EVO





Obviously with 8-gen Intel I will be waiting an indeterminate amount of time. There is also the possibility of waiting until Feb for Zen 2. Not much info but rumors and suggestion from AMD interviews are improved efficiencies and higher clocks. Some focus moving to gaming performance as that is largest deficiency vs. intel.



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madmatt30
Seeing as you're running on a 4k screen which is plainly limited to 60htz then the ryzen 1600 is going to be more than enough plain & simple

& no , as a ryzen 1700 owner I'll say straight out for 99% of users there is absolutely no need whatsoever to go for the ryzen 1700 over the 1600 for your uses.

That $100 price difference won't gain you anything apart from a fairly fancy led logo on the cooler

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Depends what are you using this for? Is this gaming? Workstation? Do you do content creation? Do you want to upgrade your system a lot? If this is just gaming and you don't Plano on upgrading a lot then go with 8700k, if you want to upgrade a lot go ryzen, Intel only uses there architecture for 2 generations, am4 will hopefully have a lot more stuff coming out for it, if you want this for a workstation or content creation do ryzen but don't settle with the 1600 go with a 1700 or 1700x, if you are dead set on a 6 core for a workstation pc go with the 8700k, you will want the extra threads so you can run more cpu heavy processes, the 1600 will not be as good as the 8700k, a 1700x for workstation and content creation needs would be better than an 8700k, that's my opinion
 
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I love Intel's new 8th gen CPUs and the 8700k is very nice. But if I were buying today, availability and pricing of the 8th gen CPUs make it a tough buy. I would wait a month or two before I bought a 8th gen CPU. If you are wanting to buy today, then I would probably go with the 1600.

If you are not big into overclocking, the 8400 may be the new gaming king for price vs performance. When the H boards are released it will continue to drop the price of the 8400. The issue with the 8400 is it is a locked CPU, so you cant overclock it. And considering the only motherboard available are Z boards, you will be paying for a feature you cant use. Additionally, don't be fooled by the 8400 2.8ghz base clock. It will turbo to 4.3 on single core which is very important for today's gaming. Games respond very well to single core performance and this is why Intel still holds a lead (although shrinking lead) in gaming performance with AMD.

As for upgrade path, I look at your past to give an indication of your future. Since you are still rocking a i5 760, then if you follow the same trend, it does not matter about the AM4 longevity, because you will need an entire new platform upgrade regardless by the time you are ready to upgrade again.
 
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It is a mixed use PC connected to a 55in 4k TV (Vizio P-55). Majority gaming, but son does stream while gaming sometimes.

I considered 8400 but felt the 1600 was a better budget option at this point. Price and performance favor 8400 some now, but down the road the R5 has more threads and the opportunity to upgrade to a CPU 3 gen newer. I cant say with confidence that even next gen intel will work on 8th gen boards. I may look into the 8400 some more.

I will look a little closer at the 1700. I can only hope that games will begin to use more cores DX12 and forward. Does performance justify the extra spend?

I would have likely upgraded sooner had there been a better option for my mobo, so that is certainly a consideration. but I wouldnt buy solely on the idea of future upgrades. This feature does make the R5 more interesting than the 8400 to me, however.

Price is slightly more important than performance so any extra spend would need to be justified by a large performance increase. Does 8700k justify the much larger upgrade cost keeping future performance and upgrades in mind?
 
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At 4k, the bottleneck is all on the GPU and not the CPU. So the CPU choice is not as important. Unless you are going to perform some significant workstation task, there is not a need for a 1700. So I would look at 6 core or below.

The 8700k is about 20% faster than the 1600 and your build will cost about 50% more. So if you are looking at price vs performance, then I think that the 1600 makes the most sense.

Furthermore, if you are playing on a 4k TV, I would go with the cheaper 1600 build and look at upgrading the 1080 to a 1080ti. The 1080 is really not a 4k card. You will have to dial back settings to get 60fps whereas the 1080ti will handle 4k at 60 fps at max settings in most reasonable optimized games.
 
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Seeing as you're running on a 4k screen which is plainly limited to 60htz then the ryzen 1600 is going to be more than enough plain & simple

& no , as a ryzen 1700 owner I'll say straight out for 99% of users there is absolutely no need whatsoever to go for the ryzen 1700 over the 1600 for your uses.

That $100 price difference won't gain you anything apart from a fairly fancy led logo on the cooler

 
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I wouldn't believe leaks , I expect maybe a refresh at best next next year , still based on 14nm & probably slightly better efficiency & slightly higher clocks.

I have no doubt they're working on a fully fledged 7nm process but honestly I wouldn't expect it anytime soon.

In the meantime in that respect the 1600 is a sensible purchase , its certainly going to get you through the next couple of years without worrying about upgrades.

By that time you may well see 7nm chips hitting speeds past 4.5ghz with much less latency across the ccx's.

In the meantime that ryzen 1600 will only have cost you $2 per week for the time you've had it.
 
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