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If you have a computer that is so old that Windows 95 was provided with it... do not even bother with upgrading... you'll be much better off buying a new PC. Anything that would have come with Windows 95 is much too slow to run XP.
XP has many advantages over 95... native USB support being the biggest. Not to mention support for larger hard drives, better video / gaming support, etc etc. Windows 95 also only supports IE 5.5... which will not work with a lot of webpages anymore... most require IE 6.0 or greater.
XP has many advantages over 95... native USB support being the biggest. Not to mention support for larger hard drives, better video / gaming support, etc etc. Windows 95 also only supports IE 5.5... which will not work with a lot of webpages anymore... most require IE 6.0 or greater.
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"Larger hard drives" is false. W95's limit is 2TB like XP, provided the Bios or the driver (notably Intel Application Accelerator) allow it.
So Windows 95 supports drives larger than 40GB? Are you ABSOLUTELY sure of that? Because MS didn't introduce 48-bit LBA addressing until Windows XP Service Pack 2. Sure, you could probably use a drive overlay... but a computer so old that it came with 95 certainly wouldn't have a BIOS capable of supporting larger drives... let alone the OS itself. (Of course an overlay would again work... but I'm referring to NATIVE support, not 3rd party support).
Not to mention that FAT32 is also a limiting factor...
Not to mention that FAT32 is also a limiting factor...
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Zoron, I'm sure, yes. Because I tried it by myself.
- Fat32 goes to many terabytes. Xp limits its creation to 32GiB.
- An Overlay needs no Bios capability. That's its purpose.
- Lba48 overrides the 128GiB limit, no relation with 40GB.
- Win 95-98-Me have NO Lba28/Lba48 limit. It appeared with W2k.
- Win 95-98-Me have a 32 bit limit to Lba, just like W2k-Xp-2k3.
- I ran W95b on 160GB, it was stable, even after writing on the whole disk.
Zoron, everything you write refers to Xp and successors, so why do you write again and again in the W95-98-Me forum?
- Fat32 goes to many terabytes. Xp limits its creation to 32GiB.
- An Overlay needs no Bios capability. That's its purpose.
- Lba48 overrides the 128GiB limit, no relation with 40GB.
- Win 95-98-Me have NO Lba28/Lba48 limit. It appeared with W2k.
- Win 95-98-Me have a 32 bit limit to Lba, just like W2k-Xp-2k3.
- I ran W95b on 160GB, it was stable, even after writing on the whole disk.
Zoron, everything you write refers to Xp and successors, so why do you write again and again in the W95-98-Me forum?
Ok... first you say there was no limit, then in your next point you say there was a limit... which is it?
As I said, I was referring to native support, no drive overlays or any other workarounds. A computer that is old enough to have come with Windows 95 won't support large hard drives natively. You cannot argue that point, no matter how much you'd like to try.
As for referring to XP, did you not read the OP's question? He asked about upgrading to XP. So of course I have to refer to XP to answer his question. Quit trying to turn this thread into an argument over semantics. Windows 95 is all but useless as an operating system nowadays... but I still do try to offer help to any that might still be using it. I always recommend that they get something newer if they can; especially if they're going to be on the internet.
As I said, I was referring to native support, no drive overlays or any other workarounds. A computer that is old enough to have come with Windows 95 won't support large hard drives natively. You cannot argue that point, no matter how much you'd like to try.
As for referring to XP, did you not read the OP's question? He asked about upgrading to XP. So of course I have to refer to XP to answer his question. Quit trying to turn this thread into an argument over semantics. Windows 95 is all but useless as an operating system nowadays... but I still do try to offer help to any that might still be using it. I always recommend that they get something newer if they can; especially if they're going to be on the internet.
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Funny, I would have reccommended they get Win98/98SE/ME/2000 as it would run faster than XP on older hardware and has native USB support. If a Mass Storage Drive (USB Flash Drive or USB Hard Disk) is the goal, I suggest WinME/2000 I don't know very many reasons to go to XP/Vista unless you have a program that requires it. Even then there are always alternatives worth considering...
Retro computing enthusiast's motto:
Don't chuck it unless you let the magic smoke out...
BadAlias
Retro computing enthusiast's motto:
Don't chuck it unless you let the magic smoke out...
BadAlias
A computer running Windows 95 would likely have issues with Win 2K as well... Win ME is something I'd NEVER recommend to ANYONE. If the computer came with Windows 95, then it's just not worth the effort to upgrade it to run Win 2K or XP (since it would need to be upgraded, if it hasn't already). Posting the specs of the computer would give us a better idea as to what to recommend.
I have nothing against people that want to run really old hardware... I just don't like fixing it. It is almost impossible to get some of the components that these computers use.
I have nothing against people that want to run really old hardware... I just don't like fixing it. It is almost impossible to get some of the components that these computers use.
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I feel that my OS suggestions are far more affordable if they are looking for a low budget update than replacing a system... They should work fine unless they have really old hardware from the early days of Win95. Even then there are minor upgrades and tweaks that work wonders...
WinME actually works pretty well on older hardware. And from what I've seen & heard, if 2K is unstable then ME will work well, and vise-versa...
Finding old hardware is easy, just look on ebay or take a stroll behind your local independent PC shop on garbage day... It's also far less expensive to maintain if you're not paying someone else to do it... (If you're paying someone else to do it, keep a bit more up to date...)
If you can't hack it in the "old" pool, don't pressure those that can to get out...
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WinME actually works pretty well on older hardware. And from what I've seen & heard, if 2K is unstable then ME will work well, and vise-versa...
Finding old hardware is easy, just look on ebay or take a stroll behind your local independent PC shop on garbage day... It's also far less expensive to maintain if you're not paying someone else to do it... (If you're paying someone else to do it, keep a bit more up to date...)
If you can't hack it in the "old" pool, don't pressure those that can to get out...
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I can "hack" it just fine. I'm just one that believes in a progress. Working for a business, I need a reliable source of parts, and I don't consider eBay reliable enough to trust it for my customer's needs. Now if they want to go ahead and order the part from eBay, then that's completely up to them. If it were for my own personal systems I wouldn't mind either... but I'm referring to systems that customers bring into the business.
Add to that the old stuff is not covered by any sort of warranty and if anything goes wrong (which it will), then you're out whatever you spent plus you have the need to replace it yet again. Sure a hard drive for $10 sounds great... but not if you have to replace it more than once or twice. At least if you buy new, you have the opportunity to get 3 years worth of warranty and not have to worry if something does happen to die before it should. Used hardware is going to fail that much more quickly.
Windows ME was a horrible OS. I have yet encountered anyone that had it running flawlessly. Win 2K was much more reliable... but the system requirements are a little steeper. A Pentium II or III with 512MB of RAM would be my recommendation.
If you have a lot of spare time on your hands, then by all means go and hunt for the old stuff. Not all of us have the time we'd like to tinker around with old especially since we have to keep up with the new.
Add to that the old stuff is not covered by any sort of warranty and if anything goes wrong (which it will), then you're out whatever you spent plus you have the need to replace it yet again. Sure a hard drive for $10 sounds great... but not if you have to replace it more than once or twice. At least if you buy new, you have the opportunity to get 3 years worth of warranty and not have to worry if something does happen to die before it should. Used hardware is going to fail that much more quickly.
Windows ME was a horrible OS. I have yet encountered anyone that had it running flawlessly. Win 2K was much more reliable... but the system requirements are a little steeper. A Pentium II or III with 512MB of RAM would be my recommendation.
If you have a lot of spare time on your hands, then by all means go and hunt for the old stuff. Not all of us have the time we'd like to tinker around with old especially since we have to keep up with the new.
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Actually has promise... It was easy to find a torrent download for it (That contained a serial# too.) and I have since downloaded it and started torture testing it...
Read more about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Fundamentals_for_Legacy_PCs
Go for it but you will miss old 95!
For you would have too upgrade your Hard Drive and Ram too!
to 10gb Hard Drive 20gb and up is best 124 mb of Ram 1gb is Best!
You Can buy a Old XP for $100 up to a new one for $300
and Network it to that Old win98 would be the best way to go << Hmm
For you would have too upgrade your Hard Drive and Ram too!
to 10gb Hard Drive 20gb and up is best 124 mb of Ram 1gb is Best!
You Can buy a Old XP for $100 up to a new one for $300
and Network it to that Old win98 would be the best way to go << Hmm
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Ok, I really feel people have a misconception as to what the requirements for XP are, so I looked them up...
(quoted from a "Windows XP Quick Reference" thingy I got in a store when XP was the latest thing...)
Notes:
1) In personal experience, M$ generrally over-estimates their own requirements, but I don't have specifics here, YMMV.
2) From personal experience, I know that it can be run in 640X480 resolution if need be (That's what Safe-Mode uses)
3) Where it says that 1.5GB of hard drive space is required, I'm not sure if that includes the old 25% extra for a swap file, etc rule of thumb that I've never actually tested to confirm or seen listed on the M$ website (I've never looked) but even so that's only 2GB... Far more likely to come by in an old system like that... (If you have to buy a new hard drive, then you will get bigger for less (more GB per $) with a brand new drive, but then you're likely looking at a new system to run a brand new drive...)
4) From what I've read, (Sorry, no specifics here either) WinFLP has similar (only slightly lower) requirements to WinXP, you may find it's only beneficial if it won't run XP but it's close...
5) Compatibility is an over-rated b**ch!
(quoted from a "Windows XP Quick Reference" thingy I got in a store when XP was the latest thing...)
"Windows XP Quick Reference" (C)2002 Microsoft Corporation...
Notes:
1) In personal experience, M$ generrally over-estimates their own requirements, but I don't have specifics here, YMMV.
2) From personal experience, I know that it can be run in 640X480 resolution if need be (That's what Safe-Mode uses)
3) Where it says that 1.5GB of hard drive space is required, I'm not sure if that includes the old 25% extra for a swap file, etc rule of thumb that I've never actually tested to confirm or seen listed on the M$ website (I've never looked) but even so that's only 2GB... Far more likely to come by in an old system like that... (If you have to buy a new hard drive, then you will get bigger for less (more GB per $) with a brand new drive, but then you're likely looking at a new system to run a brand new drive...)
4) From what I've read, (Sorry, no specifics here either) WinFLP has similar (only slightly lower) requirements to WinXP, you may find it's only beneficial if it won't run XP but it's close...
5) Compatibility is an over-rated b**ch!
Win 2K is a good suggestion... stay far away from ME.
I still like Win 2K... might not be as "fancy" as XP / Vista / 7, but for me it was a good, solid OS. I've developed a real distaste for anything based on the 9x kernel; not to mention FAT32 vs. NTFS.
I still like Win 2K... might not be as "fancy" as XP / Vista / 7, but for me it was a good, solid OS. I've developed a real distaste for anything based on the 9x kernel; not to mention FAT32 vs. NTFS.
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