Question Upgraded to Windows 10, bought new GPU but system is lagging everywhere ?

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Hi! I recently changed to Windows 10 (MS iso) from W7. Mainly for steam, chrome and drivers support. Also swapped my aging 270 to 6500xt for reasonable price. On paper new gpu should be around twice as fast. Except my cpu is i5 4440 and pcie3. FPS is not an issue here. Its the lag. Lag is everywhere. Doesn't matter what game. Lag has occured in Stargunner (slight lag during saving, 1996), Quake 3 (1999), Hard Reset (2011), Left 4 Dead 2 (2009), Borderlands 2 (2012). NFS Heat (2019) was unplayable. No matter what settings. Low to ultra. Laggy 50ish fps, drops to 15 fps. With modern cpu and pcie4 6500xt can handle this game at ultra 60 fps.

Lag have occured when my in-game character stays still and a moment later I move my mouse around (different scenery, maybe more objects). Sometimes mouse gets stuck (crosshair) for a second and then works normally again. Happened in Quake 3.

L4D2 is interesting. Average FPS is around 150. Yet I remember a lag when fps dropped from 170 to 140. Some lags feel like PC is choking (lag duration for 3 seconds). Can't remember any lag with R7 270, W7. Antilag is turned on.

Borderlands 2 runs mostly fine. Haven't checked graphics settings. Probably not even on ultra. Sometimes fps drops to 40. Not ok.

Drivers are up to date. 3dmark 2011 gpu tests gave an uplift of 2-3x from 270. CPU fps slightly lower under W10. Have Windows.old folder from W7. All stuff of W7 before W10 installation, including graphics drivers (I guess disabled). Is it harmless or should I delete the folder? Before going to W10, I installed latest gpu drivers without DDU. I thought that Amd drivers can pick up new Amd card automatically. 3dmark 11 gave half performance for 6500 xt vs 270. I thought it was because of the lack of driver support under W7 for newer gpu drivers. After that W10. Also. PSU is old. Fortron Hexa 500W 80+ year 2012 (approximately 2000-2500 hours no more than 225W). Read somewhere that PSU can cause this. Probably much dust inside.

Windows has 100+ processes (50+ service host). 8GB single RAM. Windows at idle takes 30% ram. SSD and HDD are in good health. Haven't monitored cpu and gpu temps during gaming. CPU is 9 years old, probably same thermal paste. When opening afterburner GPU fans start working like turbine engines at 40%. During gaming fans are unnoticable (afterburner closed). Is my best bet formatting OS drive and install fresh windows? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks.
 
I would consider this a combination of issues mostly related to age. Specifically, 4440/8GB RAM/Fortron Hexa.

Thoughts would include a new power supply, at least doubling RAM, and finding a 4670-4790 really cheap, if you can. I probably wouldn't spend a lot of time or effort towards it, as you can build a modern i3 system for ~$300 that should work fine with that graphics card. If your storage options are also that old, it would be a good consideration to update those as well.
 
I agree that system is old. Have thought about upgrading to i7. With ram and Psu total cost is around 120€. My whole PC costs less. Probably not worth it. So yeah, time to think about brand new system. Meanwhile I do a fresh install and hope for the best. Thanx for answers.
 
This .dll file is used for F.E.A.R playing on modern systems but it also works for other games as well. I use it on many old games and it makes the games play like original days but faster with todays parts.

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The Directinput fps fix :: Condemned: Criminal Origins General Discussions

So this file will solve any fps problems with the game, and since the link that was posted here in the forums is dead, I found a new one: Just unpack the DLL file into the game installation folder. It works wonders! https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/789-directinput-fps-fix/
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DirectInput FPS Fix

TL;DR The DirectInputFpxFix fixes an input related FPS drop/slowdown problem that occurs in FEAR, its expansions, Condemned: Criminal Origins and other games. It is easy to install and does not require manual disabling of HID devices. Quick start guide: Extract the file dinput8.dll to the folder ...
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After it's downloaded copy and paste onto game directory of your slow running older game.

You will need to put this in every game's directory you need it to work with. Does it work on every game NO but where it does it's god sent.

If you have the original F.E.A.R play game without the .dll quite game, copy and paste the .dll and restart game. It goes from 15 FPS to well into the 300 FPS just by adding that .dll file.
 
Forgot to mention. One ram slot is not working. So only single 16gb is possible. Saw in the tech forums 4790 for 50€. Ram is around 30€. Alright psu (Corsair CV550) is 60€.

That dll thing is interesting. Will look into it. Although same games didn't have any problems under Windows 7 and R7 270. And NFS Heat as modern game is completely unplayable. Is 4440 really that old? Obviously won't try games like Cyberpunk and Hogwarts Legacy (heavy cpu, strong gpu). Most games should still run right?
 
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Forgot to mention. One ram slot is not working. So only single 16gb is possible. Saw in the tech forums 4790 for 50€. Ram is around 30€. Alright psu (Corsair CV550) is 60€.

That dll thing is interesting. Will look into it. Although same games didn't have any problems under Windows 7 and R7 270. And NFS Heat as modern game is completely unplayable. Is 4440 really that old? Obviously won't try games like Cyberpunk and Hogwarts Legacy (heavy cpu, strong gpu). Most games should still run right?
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Without dual channel performance will take a hit. Have you considered looking for a used system with slightly better specs? 4th gen is pretty inexpensive.
 
@punkncat: I could buy a used system like Haswell i7 if I see one for reasonable price. Buying parts separately is a problem. PSU-s have gone up in price. Hard to find Gold-rated (corsair, seasonic) under 100€. That 60€ Corsair V550 would be for my current system. Wouldn't build modern rig on it.

USAFRet said:
No, the inplace upgrade from 7 to 10 is likely the problem.
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Do you mean that by not doing format and clean install Windows 7 remnants can cause problems? Or Windows 10 as a system is problematic and has way too many bells and whistles? Compared to Windows 7 with easy layout and way less going on in the background. Or Windows 10 as a modern OS is not suitable for old hardware?
 
W10 is fine for that system spec, and in particular if it was all working correctly. You can tune it for some additional memory availability. All in all though, you have either a damaged mobo or CPU concerning that memory channel. IDK what the landscape is there for an older office machine used/refurb or perhaps finding an older 'gaming' type machine on the second hand market. Here, you can readily find 4-5th gen i5-i7 office machines for around $100 pretty much according to having an OS license or not, and a few dollars more for additional RAM.

The issue(s) with buying an old office based machine can be many in regard to adding a graphics card and such. For Dell (for example) you would want to find one of the Optiplex MT models, and even still could require a better power supply and some adapters. For the trouble you could eventually go through it may be a better choice to consider going much newer i3, such as 10th gen plus. That gets into market forces that I am not in touch with, so something you have to look into on your own as far as value and do-ability.
 
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Windows 7 remnants can cause problems? Or Windows 10 as a system is problematic
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No windows 10 and 11 are great but as USAFRet pointed out yes a clean install of 10 or 11 and start fresh. Where I had said windows 10/ 11 are the issue is with some older games and the workarounds to get them working in modern windows.

Do you have a spare ssd or can you get one. Pull your now working hard drive out. Throw in the new ssd , install 10 or 11. Do all the windows updated, your drivers and a few games. Mess with it for a few days to get a real idea of before and after. Give it a few days than remove the NEW fresh windows ssd you made and messed with for a week or so and put back in you old hard drive with your old windows and again mess with playing your games. It should be like night to day difference.

To be clear only one OS drive at a time in your computer.
 
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@punkncat With all you have said makes me think even more to build a new PC. Looked up some prices. i3-10100f is 67€. i5-10400f is 100€. i3-12100f is 100€. i5 is a 6-core. Random YT comparison showed i5 and 12100f quite equal in games. Whole system without GPU would cost 300€-350€.

@stonecarver Got that. Dont have spare ssd. Although 128gb costs 10€. As of now some games are on ssd and some on hdd. As it used to be before.
 
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gbench said:
Hi! I recently changed to Windows 10 (MS iso) from W7. Mainly for steam, chrome and drivers support. Also swapped my aging 270 to 6500xt for reasonable price. On paper new gpu should be around twice as fast. Except my cpu is i5 4440 and pcie3. FPS is not an issue here. Its the lag. Lag is everywhere. Doesn't matter what game.
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experienced that too when I first got W10, but the lag gradually faded away after a few days. Cpu of my backup pc is a 2600k, even older than your cpu. You can see the specs on my sig.

the games that lag badly, are they online games? It's possible that W10 is still updating itself, so it's taking some internet resource from the game which result in lag.

if you have not done yet, Try turning off background intelligent transfer. It is found in msconfig. Caused serious lag in some online games I played when first got W10, so I unchecked it.
 
Lag has been apparent for both single and multiplayer games. L4D2 has lagged more than BL2. Quake Live has high ping. Windows updates are set for around twice a month. Decent 100/100 internet. 50/50 I already turned that process off.
 
Meanwhile, you've still not done a fresh OS install.

1. Inplace upgrades from a previous OS sometimes do have issues.

2. You're dragging along who knows how many years of old cruft from the Win 7 install.


A full wipe and reinstall of Win 10 is free and easy.
If, after that, there are still problems, then you might look at hardware.
 
There will assuredly be frame dips of a significant manner on hardware that old running 8GB single channel. Even if it were operating properly, that hardware is not going to be optimal for the newer graphics card, even at its level of performance.

A modern i3 is going to be, IMO, the smartest and most thrifty update. If I were going to choose for you, the 12100 and a good mobo would be a great place to start at this point in time. Compatible 14th gen parts are around the corner, so to speak. IMO, pay the additional few pound for the non F skew. Troubleshooting without iGPU is impossible without another PCI device on hand.
 
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not much more I could suggest except try to add more ram. I only now realized you only had 8gb. That is not enough if you're trying to play certain mainstream games online. My backup pc has 32 GB ddr3 on dual channel. I'm not saying you should get 32 GB, but try to at least upgrade your 8GB to 16GB - preferably dual channel.
 
1. Did fresh install. 3Dmark 11 slightly better scores than previous install. Using windows automatic drivers atm.
2. Looked up my H81-P3. Turns out it is PCIe gen 2.
3. Used CPU monitoring tool for temps. With new games 90 degree celsius in minutes. Old games stay at 75. There it is, main problem. Thermal throttling. To be honest I feel such a fool for not checking this earlier.
4. Have thoughts of building a new rig around i5-12400 after 14th gen has come out.
 
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