[SOLVED] Upgrades required for 3070 / 3080 build?

[mattmilne94]

Hello, its been a while (~2016) since I purchased any upgrades for my gaming PC but I am going to be purchasing either the new RTX 3070 or RTX 3080. I was wondering if I am going to have any compatibility or bottle-necking issue with with my components.

Current Build
GPU - 6GB GTX 1060 (Gigabyte)
CPU - Skylake i5-6500 (3.2ghz)
Motherboard - ASUS B150 Pro Gaming (Socket 1151, DDR4, ATX)
PSU - 650W Corsair RM650X
SSD - Crucial MX300 525GB
RAM - 2 x 8GB Corsair DDR4 (2133Mhz)
Case - Corsair Carbide (Compact ATX Performance)

From what I can gather it looks like i'll need to update the motherboard, CPU and possibly the PSU to handle the new cards, my proposed new build is the following:

Proposed New Build
GPU - RTX 3070 / RTX 3080
CPU - i7-9700k
Motherboard - z390 of some sort (Need recommendations)
PSU - Upgrade to 750W?
SSD - Crucial MX300 525GB (Same as current build)
RAM - 2 x 8GB Corsair DDR4 (2133Mhz) (Same as current build)
Case - Corsair Carbide (Compact ATX Performance) (Same as current build)
Addition of a CPU Cooler for the i79700k - Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler

So my main questions are, first of all, will the proposed build work? When looking for a new motherboard do I need to look for PCIe 4.0 and if so do you have any recommendations? Are there any changes that you would make to better optimise the build for around the current price of the proposed components.

Thank you for your help

 

[Rocky6]

ASUS Prime Z490-A LGA 1200 (Intel 10th Gen) ATX Motherboard
go for this mobo and go for 850w psu and i7 10900k

 

[Rocky6]

Hello, its been a while (~2016) since I purchased any upgrades for my gaming PC but I am going to be purchasing either the new RTX 3070 or RTX 3080. I was wondering if I am going to have any compatibility or bottle-necking issue with with my components.

Current Build
GPU - 6GB GTX 1060 (Gigabyte)
CPU - Skylake i5-6500 (3.2ghz)
Motherboard - ASUS B150 Pro Gaming (Socket 1151, DDR4, ATX)
PSU - 650W Corsair RM650X
SSD - Crucial MX300 525GB
RAM - 2 x 8GB Corsair DDR4 (2133Mhz)
Case - Corsair Carbide (Compact ATX Performance)

From what I can gather it looks like i'll need to update the motherboard, CPU and possibly the PSU to handle the new cards, my proposed new build is the following:

Proposed New Build
GPU - RTX 3070 / RTX 3080
CPU - i7-9700k
Motherboard - z390 of some sort (Need recommendations)
PSU - Upgrade to 750W?
SSD - Crucial MX300 525GB (Same as current build)
RAM - 2 x 8GB Corsair DDR4 (2133Mhz) (Same as current build)
Case - Corsair Carbide (Compact ATX Performance) (Same as current build)
Addition of a CPU Cooler for the i79700k - Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler

So my main questions are, first of all, will the proposed build work? When looking for a new motherboard do I need to look for PCIe 4.0 and if so do you have any recommendations? Are there any changes that you would make to better optimise the build for around the current price of the proposed components.

Thank you for your help

it will work but go for i7 10900k and asus prime z490 a will make a good pair with ur gpu, and 850 w psu will be efficient

 

[mattmilne94]

it will work but go for i7 10900k and asus prime z490 a will make a good pair with ur gpu, and 850 w psu will be efficient

I had a look at both the motherboard and the CPU you recommended and I think they are out of my price range looking for like 150-200 on mobo and like 250-300 max on CPU

 

[Rocky6]

i think u need a 10900k for rtx 3090 is u go with intel with z490

 

[Karadjgne]

You don't need a 10900k. Very few ppl actually have any need at all for that cpu, the gains over a 10600k are minimal and not really worth the cost in price or cooling.

An Asus Z490 mid grade mobo, 10600k, 32Gb of ram and you'll be plenty. A 3070 is pretty equitable to a 2080ti, so unless you are aiming at 4k/144Hz, you won't need a 3080.

 

[Rocky6]

You don't need a 10900k. Very few ppl actually have any need at all for that cpu, the gains over a 10600k are minimal and not really worth the cost in price or cooling.

An Asus Z490 mid grade mobo, 10600k, 32Gb of ram and you'll be plenty. A 3070 is pretty equitable to a 2080ti, so unless you are aiming at 4k/144Hz, you won't need a 3080.

ya 10600k is a good option btw

 

[geofelt]

Your proposed build will work, but not the best, I think.
Build using the i5-10600K and a z490 based motherboard.
That should come close to your budget.
Here is a review:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5-10600k-cpu-review/5

Hold off on the psu decision until the specs and benchmarks are out for the cards you are interested in.
I suspect your current psu will be fine for either 3070 0r 3080.

If you want, I see no reason why one of the new cards would not be perfectly fine in your current setup.
But, for most games, I suspect you will be cpu limited.

Try this test:
Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
This makes the graphics card loaf a bit.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

 

[Karadjgne]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z490-P ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $459.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-13 12:41 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $459.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-13 12:44 EDT-0400

These will go head-to-head, depending on the game as to who has the advantage, some rely more on IPC/clock speeds so favor Intel, some rely more on preferred thread count so will favor amd, and thats not including extras like streaming etc.

 

[mattmilne94]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z490-P ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $459.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-13 12:41 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $459.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-13 12:44 EDT-0400

These will go head-to-head, depending on the game as to who has the advantage, some rely more on IPC/clock speeds so favor Intel, some rely more on preferred thread count so will favor amd, and thats not including extras like streaming etc.

Thanks for your help guys this has been really helpful

So i'm leaning more towards the i5-10600k with the ASUS Prime z490.

• Will I require a 3rd party coolor for the i5-10600k?
• Do you recommend still upgrading to 32GB RAM from the current 16GB that I have? I have 2 x Corsair Vengenance 16GB DDR4 (2133mhz), would it just be a case of getting another 2 sticks the same?
• And will my PSU suffice? I know the guy above said to maybe wait and see specs for new cards

 

[mattmilne94]

On second thought I had been looking at amd 3700x earlier, is this a better option than going with the 10600K? They appear to be exactly the same price. The only reason I leaned towards Intel because I had used it before @Karadjgne

 

[Karadjgne]

Pretty much most ppl used Intel, unless you are coming from FX, in which any upgrade will be pretty massive lol.

It's give and take. Both have bonuses and both have weaknesses, but overall they perform very similar. The Intel has a slight edge in gaming, but the amd has a slight edge overall in production, so even things like winzip are somewhat faster.

6 of One, half a dozen of the other. Which is better depends on your point of view at any given moment.

 

[mattmilne94]

Pretty much most ppl used Intel, unless you are coming from FX, in which any upgrade will be pretty massive lol.

It's give and take. Both have bonuses and both have weaknesses, but overall they perform very similar. The Intel has a slight edge in gaming, but the amd has a slight edge overall in production, so even things like winzip are somewhat faster.

6 of One, half a dozen of the other. Which is better depends on your point of view at any given moment.

Ok thank you. Maybe the AMD would be better for me as I use programming IDE + things like Photoshop as well as gaming.

Do you have response for the questions I posed above about the RAM, PSU and cooler?

 

[Karadjgne]

Photoshop and other Adobe programs currently do better on Intel, they prefer clockspeeds and don't scale well over 8 threads, which hurts AMD thread bonus somewhat. I'd also look into requirements for programming IDE, as that too is a consideration. I know Maya loves Intel, it's highly single thread heavy, so the higher IPC/click speeds are a decent bonus, but other stuff like Sony Vegas and most decompression/compression software does better with AMD and its thread counts. You'll be good either way, but should balance the pros and cons of both, fully informed, so you get better bang for the $.

1. Yes, the 10600k does not include a stock cooler, and at 125w, it's advised to get a mid-grade cooler in the 180w - 200w range, not a 'budget' 140w hyper212 or comparable cooler.

2. Ryzen Infinity fabric runs best and fastest with 3600MHz ram. There's more than a 20% performance difference between 2133MHz and 3600MHz. Infinity Fabric is an API that basically is the speeds of data transmission between the Ryzen cores.
Programming, photoshop, even games can use very large files and large amounts of ram, 16Gb is pretty standard currently but circumstances can change that, it's not that you'd require 32Gb, but that you'd require 16.1Gb, more than the maximum space a 16Gb setup can afford, and 32Gb is the next step up from 16Gb. Ryzens run best on 2x Gb sticks, so adding ram to your current ram is hurting performance, twice over. Won't affect the Intel as much, but 2133MHz is still slower than the memory controller default speeds in 10th Gen cpus of 2666MHz.

3. Corsair RMx650 will be plenty. The 3080 will have 2x 8pin and should be around a 300w card, maybe as high as 350w with the AIB partner cards OC versions. 2x 8pin is 375w (if going by standards) and the rest of the pc will only take 200w (ish). Plenty of room. The only reason nvidia recommends 750w is for all those p running the budget psus like the CX series etc, which don't do well when pushed. The RMx is a class leading psu and will have no issues with running at 550w for extended periods, if you can even manage to push the pc that high. Typically expect power requirements of @ 70% of what the actual TDP is when gaming, so most times you'd be under 500w total.

 

[mattmilne94]

Photoshop and other Adobe programs currently do better on Intel, they prefer clockspeeds and don't scale well over 8 threads, which hurts AMD thread bonus somewhat. I'd also look into requirements for programming IDE, as that too is a consideration. I know Maya loves Intel, it's highly single thread heavy, so the higher IPC/click speeds are a decent bonus, but other stuff like Sony Vegas and most decompression/compression software does better with AMD and its thread counts. You'll be good either way, but should balance the pros and cons of both, fully informed, so you get better bang for the $.

1. Yes, the 10600k does not include a stock cooler, and at 125w, it's advised to get a mid-grade cooler in the 180w - 200w range, not a 'budget' 140w hyper212 or comparable cooler.

2. Ryzen Infinity fabric runs best and fastest with 3600MHz ram. There's more than a 20% performance difference between 2133MHz and 3600MHz. Infinity Fabric is an API that basically is the speeds of data transmission between the Ryzen cores.
Programming, photoshop, even games can use very large files and large amounts of ram, 16Gb is pretty standard currently but circumstances can change that, it's not that you'd require 32Gb, but that you'd require 16.1Gb, more than the maximum space a 16Gb setup can afford, and 32Gb is the next step up from 16Gb. Ryzens run best on 2x Gb sticks, so adding ram to your current ram is hurting performance, twice over. Won't affect the Intel as much, but 2133MHz is still slower than the memory controller default speeds in 10th Gen cpus of 2666MHz.

3. Corsair RMx650 will be plenty. The 3080 will have 2x 8pin and should be around a 300w card, maybe as high as 350w with the AIB partner cards OC versions. 2x 8pin is 375w (if going by standards) and the rest of the pc will only take 200w (ish). Plenty of room. The only reason nvidia recommends 750w is for all those p running the budget psus like the CX series etc, which don't do well when pushed. The RMx is a class leading psu and will have no issues with running at 550w for extended periods, if you can even manage to push the pc that high. Typically expect power requirements of @ 70% of what the actual TDP is when gaming, so most times you'd be under 500w total.

Thank you for getting back to me with such informative answers. I think I just have a couple more checks with you before committing to anything on the build.

I had a look for 3600mhz on the PC Part Picker site but only saw 3200mhz, however upon searching amazon I actually found the following - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-Ve...words=3600mhz+ddr4+32gb&qid=1600030216&sr=8-5

Finalized Build
GPU - RTX 3070
CPU - Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler - Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler
Mobo - Asus PRIME Z490-P ATX LGA1200 Motherboard
RAM - Either the 3200mhz or the 3600mhz corsair mentioned above (or is there better)?
Case - Corsair Carbide (ALREADY OWNED)
SSD - Crucial 500GB (ALREADY OWNED)
PSU - 650W Corsair (ALREADY OWNED)

 

[Karadjgne]

The 3200MHz will be fine with the Intel, it's the Ryzen that benefits more from faster ram. But otherwise looks really good.

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£120.89 @ Alza)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£118.87 @ More Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£119.49 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£114.77 @ Ebuyer)

Use Filter to get specifics like size and speed, Sort for how they are listed. Very easy.
The £134 ram you listed is Cas18, which is somewhat slower than the Cas16 making up for the difference in speeds. 3200/16 will be equitable to 3600/18 as far as Intel is concerned..